8 day old fry! Some questions.

[brewmaster15]

I just had a close look at the last pics you posted Tom. I can see alot of pieces of blackworms in the water column and the fish are already looking pretty full. Im thinking you may be over feeding here. Problem with young fry is they will often pig out and eat and eat if you feed them too much and they really like the food fed.

[Iminit]

Too much I think. I’d say as much as they could eat in a min about 10x a day. Next I’d soak some black worms and feed them till the cup was empty. So that could have been 3+ hours of those soaked worms. I’m wondering if it could be the length of time I fed the soaked worms. But this is the way I feed all my discus. Even when I had 2” discus. I fed till their bellies looked full and then id wait till they were lean again and feed. 2” grew big.

[brewmaster15]

Tom how are the fry?

[Iminit]

Nothing bad today . Yesterday 2 didn’t look good. So I went to move them and the first one became super fish. Took me about 5 min to catch it. Next the other guy became a model fish. Right there with all the others. So the one by itself is in a 5g with a teaspoon of salt and looks fine this morn. The other guy is still with all the other fish. Only fed them a few times yesterday and not much. Will only feed about 4 times today. Still changing 70% daily and added the uv light. Hoping things get better. The 6 I gave Chris’s are doing great. Been feeding the discus chow and they pick at it but don’t go after it. Not soaking the worms as long as I did. Just getting them wet to sink. There are 9 in the tank now if I went to cubes would a 1/4,1/2 or whole cube be good a feeding. Made bbs but they’re not eating it. Some pics03DE954A-34B8-4518-8E42-12D2526B6770.jpgthis is the one that is now looking good in main tank. Stress bar are showing though.5C5B932A-BF35-4073-85B4-B365DDBF7A60.jpgF5636803-82B9-46FA-BC22-C4E88AF7331C.jpg18F8B124-408A-4EF7-A8B1-FE1636107E94.jpg388D9D23-957E-42B4-BF68-57079CE5FD3A.jpg

[brewmaster15]

I'm pretty sure that the 10 times a day feeding was the issue.. not that you can't do that, but you have to be sure that you aren't feeding too much at each time. Glad that its looking better there. .. You don't need to stuff them to the gills to get get good growth,IME.

hth,
al

[Iminit]

Yes Al thank you! All info and help is greatly appreciated! This breeding is a lot of work! Keeps me busy and interesting but not really into it. Was happy I was able to give Chris the 6. Moving them out made more room for the rest and they do seem to be doing good for him. Plus I get to see how they grow for him . Hope these guys get back on track hoping to give Chuck some too. The parents have laid eggs again. This is their 4th time since I’ve moved out the fry. They stress all the rest. This time the laid in a new spot so maybe that’s a sign?

Sick female from the beginning is still sick. Gave her prazi the poly guard and erythromycin. But nothing has changed. Moved her back into the 30g with the bosemani.

Ram fry were a bust only 1 fry still alive but have a new batch of eggs and will take a different approach this time. Still want to get it right but no plans to continue. These are gold rams I’m stealing the eggs from my main discus tank. Still waiting for the blacks to lay eggs again.

So I’ve got tons going on! These tanks and my hillstream tank and shrimp tanks and community tanks…...

[brewmaster15]

Lol.. yes you do! but thats what makes it fun.

[Charlyc11]

When I get back I will separate my pairs and see what happens. Still in Arizona 100F at day time. Be home Monday night. My fish sitter is doing great but I had a scare since the power went out for a few minutes and WI-FI did not reset, I was very nervous but got her to reset my router so now I can monitor remotely again. Jut get the fry better don’t worry about me.

[Iminit]

Well a good day! Nothing died! And again I’m cleaning out my hillstream loach tank and what do you know? I’ve got about 30 bosemani fry in this tank. No bosemani parents. I moved some plants a week or so ago and there were eggs in them. Such a difference. One doesn’t need parents and discus can’t survive without parents. Most fish fry don’t need their parents. You’d almost say they’re strong. While discus need the parents slime to survive. Kind of weak. No? Without the parents they ain’t going anywhere. .

[LizStreithorst]

No, it's not a weakness. It's how God intended them to be.

Congrats on the fry. I've moved plants and ended up wth Rainbow fry. Mine have always been mutts, though.

[Iminit]

Thanks Liz! Just messing with Al there .

[brewmaster15]

Well a good day! Nothing died! And again I’m cleaning out my hillstream loach tank and what do you know? I’ve got about 30 bosemani fry in this tank. No bosemani parents. I moved some plants a week or so ago and there were eggs in them. Such a difference. One doesn’t need parents and discus can’t survive without parents. Most fish fry don’t need their parents. You’d almost say they’re strong. While discus need the parents slime to survive. Kind of weak. No? Without the parents they ain’t going anywhere. .

Thanks Liz! Just messing with Al there .

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...iscus-are-weak


Right back at you Tom

[Iminit]

Ok had a death last night. Had removed it and put in a separate tank. Treated with prazi. Some Epsom salt and it did release something. Looked thinner. Thought it was improving. Last night it looked bloated again and dead this morn. Should I treat what’s left of them? 8. With absolute wormer or prazi or something else. I’ve greatly decreased the amount of feedings. They are now at 8 weeks.

[brewmaster15]

Ok had a death last night. Had removed it and put in a separate tank. Treated with prazi. Some Epsom salt and it did release something. Looked thinner. Thought it was improving. Last night it looked bloated again and dead this morn. Should I treat what’s left of them? 8. With absolute wormer or prazi or something else. I’ve greatly decreased the amount of feedings. They are now at 8 weeks.

Tom unless the other fry look like they are ill I wouldn't treat them. I don't think its a worm issue. The fry probably had a bacterial infection its been fighting and the epsom salt caused all that junk to be expelled. It could have just been blocked up.

al

[Iminit]

Ok but the thing is this at least the 6th one to do this. The fish moves away from the group bloats up and dies. One died last night and it seems like another has taken its spot. Very strange. Here’s some pics and later I’ll put up a vid of the new oneIMG_7461.jpgIMG_7471.jpgIMG_7463.jpg