A question from a reformed PP user

[LizStreithorst]

I'm cleaning up my number 1 breeding pair and want to treat for flukes with Rid Ich Plus. Can anyone tell me if I can treat with this concurrently with treating with Metro? Also, the label talks mostly about Ich. How many days of treatment are necessary with Rid Ich Plus?

[Vanman]

This will be interesting. My Rid Ich Plus arrives Tuesday.

[For100]

Hi Liz,

Rid Ich Plus is formalin + malachite green. Formalin is the active agent against gill and skin flukes, NOT eggs. You have to repeat the treatment day 7 and 14 days later to be effective. I have successfully used in the past as follow:

- first round of treatment (day1/2): dose as label (if I remember is 1ml per 10G), 50% water change the day after.
- second round of treatment (day 7/8)
- third round (day 14/15)

Just my experience, I did not check under microscope to see if there were completely gone or not.

[brewmaster15]

Liz formalin is an oxidizer.. its very reactive. I wouldn't use it with other medications.

Does the pair have a problem that needs metro ? If so I would treat that first...then tackle the flukes.

Understand though that formalin isn't really a great fluke treatment. It knocks them off the fish so can give immediate relief but it doesnt kill eggs.. it can take a prolonged treatment to really work well.

Al
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[LizStreithorst]

OK, I won't treat concurrently. It sounds to me like PP is a better choice. It does kill the eggs, doesn't it? And it's just a 4 hr treatment! How about Absolute Wormer? It's said to get flukes and worms.

I'm treating the pair because I had to cull their last spawn due to some parasite. The fry didn't flash, and saw no white poop, so I don't know what parasite they had. That's why I'm shotgunning the parents before their next sapwn.

[brewmaster15]

PP does not kill eggs.

[brewmaster15]

I'm treating the pair because I had to cull their last spawn due to some parasite. The fry didn't flash, and saw no white poop, so I don't know what parasite they had. That's why I'm shotgunning the parents before their next sapwn.

Liz what were the symptoms ?

al

[bluelagoon]

Seachem ParaGuard will work.

[LizStreithorst]

Turning dark and listless. They quit eating and died. the kids were around 5 weeks old.

[brewmaster15]

Liz that sounds like a bacterial issue.

[brewmaster15]

Seachem ParaGuard will work.

according to seachem... https://www.seachem.com/paraguard.php

Dactylogyrus trematodes (skin) / Monogenenean trematodes (gills)

Fish appear sluggish, flash against rocks, and often gasp and show other signs of stress. Flukes are difficult to diagnose because the parasite itself cannot be seen until the advanced stages of infection. Look for gasping, irritated or red gills, excessive mucus production, twitching and flashing, and translucent spots (advanced infections)
Suggested Treatment Period:

14 days or until infection clears
Special Considerations

Dip treatments with ParaGuard™ are helpful in treating and preventing flukes, but keep in mind that this parasite spends part of its life cycle living in your water and substrate - the entire tank needs to be treated in order to clear the infection.

14 days is a fairly long treatment and they never say it eradicates Flukes.



as for mixing paraguard with Metro, seachem pushes the envelop on that..

https://seachem.zendesk.com/hc/en-us...s/360015446594

Green: Seachem® does not recommend using these medications together if it can be avoided as the use of multiple medications can be very stressful to fish, but there are known situations where it is necessary. It is best to keep one medication in the food and the other in the water if possibl

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[LizStreithorst]

Given my excellent maintence, I think a bacterial problem is highly unlikely.

[bluelagoon]

Seachem ParaGuard will work.

Looks like this will not work for internal worms.

[brewmaster15]

Given my excellent maintence, I think a bacterial problem is highly unlikely.

Do you feed live BBS?

[LizStreithorst]

Yes, and the occasional white worms treat. I see where you're going, Al. But I treated with Metro and they started to improve, then (not knoing any better) added Ric Ich plus on day 4. By day 8 most were looking good, a few looked like nothing had ever happened and just a few were still dark.

But the next day, I came to my senses and realized that these fry had been compromised and would never reach their potential, so I killed them all.