Ok Now this is serious!!!!! HELP. Discus zits again.

[daninthesand]

Well they've been in a Qtank with salt and heat for a day & a half now and they look worse. The sore on the worse one is red and has white nodules coming out of it. Other then that the worst thing is that they are just sort of leaning on the tank bottom with their face pointed up. It's not a good sight. Yesterday they still ate the 3 meals I put in there, no uneaten food. But I doubt they'll do that today.

Any other suggestions?

What a pain.....!

I've looked in the diseases section and the links mentioned, but can't seem to find anything specific. Cary mentions fluke tabs and clout, but I'm not sure this is what I have.

[brewmaster15]

I would go with Clout Dan.

its broad spectrum to cover many of what could be the probelm. Treat 1/2 strength on day one and see how they take the meds.

hth,
al


ps if you have formalin, you may want to go the route of a formalin dip first.

[DarkDiscus]

Al,

If you had to guess, what would you think the problem may be with Dan's fish?

John

[daninthesand]

Thanks Al.

Any idea what this might be?

I'll seek out the clout and/or formalin. I'm pretty sure I can get clout at the LFS, but formalin? Is it available over the counter maybe at a pharmasist?

Daniel

[brewmaster15]

Hi Dan,
It may be just a virus, and if so will go away on its own. The times I have seen this as a virus though, the fish was not stressed.

I am hoping it is not , but it might be an intamuscular nematode. if it is, the clout may drive them out so that you'll see them hanging off the fish... read these links....

http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index...;threadid=1092

http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index...;threadid=1884

Thats worse case scenario though. it could be a protozoan problem othen they start with a whitish area , and the perimeter becomes inflamed...

http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index...;threadid=1076

http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index...;threadid=1077


hth,
al


ps formalin in canada may be tough to find, a pharmacy may have it or any pond supply house.

[Rick_May]

I've seen these 'zits' occasionally but they usually cleanup in a few days with water changes. Worst case salt has cleaned them up. My fish would get them before I saw the light and went bare bottom. What I wonder is if it could be one of these zits that has become infected with a bacteria?

[daninthesand]

Thanks AL.

I found out I can get Formalin, Flubendazole, Metronidazole, Praziquantel, Kanacyn, Maroxy, Fluke Tabs & Malachite Green. That's it. Not sure about Clout. I have to wait until more lfs stores open.

btw They were treated with 2 TbSp of salt per 10g and the heat is at 90ºF. Maybe I should increase the salt concentration to 1tbsp per gallon as I have used in the past for general bactrial/protozoal skin lesions.

Thanks again.

I'll keep you posted.

[daninthesand]

Yikes!

I just checked out those links. Thanks AL. I had already read the one where Barb lost all her fish. I sure hope that not what is going on here!!! ???

I'm not sure this is the same but time will tell.

And the pictures on the last two links, don't really reflect what is being seen on my fish.

I'll continue to monitor the situation and have meds on standby.

Thanks everyone.

[brewmaster15]

Dan, try a salt dip....


http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/VM007


or at least go up to 1 tablepsoon/1gal water like youve done in the past.

hth,
al

[daninthesand]

Al.

I like that link. Thank you. I'm not sure if I can figure out those calculations, but I see if I can come up with something. Basically not sure how to go from % conc to tbsp per gallon!.

Daniel

[daninthesand]

Here is an updated set of pix of the sore as it is today. Quite a bit different than a couple of days ago. I really can't say they are worms for sure. Might just be fungal/protozoan opportunistic infections due to the sore itself.

Has anyone seen this either?

I think I might try heavier salt dosages (1 tbsp/gal) to start.

[daninthesand]

Here's a close up.

PS> How do you attach more than one pic per post?

[brewmaster15]

Dan,
The salt sounds good. Another suggestion for you. Net that fish, remove from the tank, and place on a wetpaper towels while still in the net.
Take hydrogen peroxide and use either a syringe or Q-tip .place a drop of it on that wound. Let sit for about 15-30 seconds. that will remove any surface parasite at teh location, and will help it heal if its infected. Then put it in the tank wiith salt at 1:1gal

I did this with a fish that had what I determine after was probably a virus. the whole procedure takes a minute or 2 to do..

-al

[DarkDiscus]

Dan,

Geez, that's ugly! Definitely worse, that's for sure. I'd have thought that the salt and w/c would do the trick, but it looks more like you might be heading for some real meds... Al will take care of ya!

John

[Carol_Roberts]

I've never seen anything like that before (including pictures). Remember extra air with high temps. I believe I've read not to use Formalin at high temps?

What does fish tuberculosis look like?

Carol