If you breed wilds in tanks .... will the fry be of good quality

[EIHAB83]

Hi guys ... I am thinking like if you breed wild discus in tanks how will the fry look like, will they be 100% LIKE mom and dad or??? or they may have pale colors , plus do they need special care
many thanks

[ping]

Hi,

I know nothing about wild discus .. I dont even have them.
Check this out, you might find the answer:
http://www.tecnet.or.jp/~ikeda/page3-breed.html

HTH,
Ronny

[EIHAB83]

Cheers mate

[Tkuemmet]

I dont think any dicus offspring will look 100 percent like mom and dad!

why would they have pale colors ?

[O]

The quality should be the same if not better than the parents(wild fish are not always "perfect" by domestic standards) if all the basic rules are applied - nutirtion, water qality, etc.

O.

[EIHAB83]

Thank you guys

[Jason]

you'll get the good, the bad, and the ugly just like with domestics.

the trick is to grow-out the best ones and breed them back to the parent you liked the best, or the best offspring to each other.....big project but doable.

[Rod]

I agree with jason completely, select the potential breeders very carefully from each generation and eventually you can achieve uniformity in the fry. A worthwhile project

[EIHAB83]

Thank you all guys .... u r all helpfull

[Paulio]

[quote author=Jason link=board=22;threadid=12600;start=0#130860 date=1063459687]
you'll get the good, the bad, and the ugly just like with domestics.

the trick is to grow-out the best ones and breed them back to the parent you liked the best, or the best offspring to each other.....big project but doable.
[/quote]

Ditto

[wildthing]

IME you get more of the 'ugly' with F 1 from 2 wilds than you do from domestics, there is much greater genetic variability leading to more size & shape variations.....but a very few will be outstanding

[Abercrombie6202]

First anything that breeds with 2 parents will not be 100% like mom and dad, but be in between. Or they could have there grandparents looks, etc...

[EIHAB83]

Thank you guys for the replies
EIHAB

[jn4u]

"the trick is to grow-out the best ones and breed them back to the parent you liked the best, or the best offspring to each other.....big project but doable."

Well you will get more color full discus. But less robust, fertility discus. Full color discus and pigoen discus not a improvment in discus. In my opinion.

Use the best and do not cross them brother and siter. Or backcrossing etc...

[Jason]

[quote author=jn4u link=board=22;threadid=12600;start=0#137718 date=1066045428]
"the trick is to grow-out the best ones and breed them back to the parent you liked the best, or the best offspring to each other.....big project but doable."

Well you will get more color full discus. But less robust, fertility discus. Full color discus and pigoen discus not a improvment in discus. In my opinion.

Use the best and do not cross them brother and siter. Or backcrossing etc...
[/quote]

I have done this twice, with two different types of wilds and have tried alot of outcrossing.
IME selecting the best offspring for size, shape, colour, and health then breeding them back to a parent or too each other did not result in any decay within the bloodline, they got better and better with each generation and more uniform. but you have to grow them all out and select the best.

and please do not take offense, but I don't understand what you mean by
"Well you will get more color full discus. But less robust, fertility discus. Full color discus and pigoen discus not a improvment in discus. In my opinion."

I don't know how you get pidgeons from wild, but selecting "the best" does not always mean selecting full colour discus.