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    i say the same as shinshin..discus want to call them to them..and if they wont go to their body..they will get frustrated trying to get them back..and nibble.
    wasnt this done before? or the other way around? quarles..was goin on about discus fry with angels..or angel fry with discus. dont remember the results.

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    Hi April,
    Yes, Jim Quarles did do this opposite,,, He posted that he had some discus eggs hatched..and the angel fish reared the young to a point.....I always remembered that and wanted to see if it would work the other way.

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    Hi Al - I wanna see pics also as the angel frys get a little bigger in the coming days! I thought about doing something similar with my albino angel frys too but just didn't get a chance to do it.(ended up having my discus pairs to raise a few german blue rams frys only j/k) I hope you will succeed Al but I myself wouldn't bet on it. I hope I'm 100% wrong on my prediction here my friend.

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    Kenny,
    I succeed either way...I get the answer to part of my questions!

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    Interesting observation.. I saw the male discus looking intently thru the screen at the wigglers.. the female was pretty much clueless to their existence..

    I pulled out the screen and watched closely.. the female still ignored the fry... the male on the other hand, got right up to them and intently fanned them..

    A bunch got knocked off the cone so I put the screen back on... the wanders from the cone are now being Mouth Brooded by both parents! and Mom and dad are guarding this handful outside the wire...

    so far its encouraging..

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    Yesterday I voted for the pair adopting the Angel fry...at least in the short term anyhow. I really think the end result will be determined soley by the parental instincts of this individual pair....and even IF the fry do get eaten by this pair....I think if you kept trying with other pairs, you could, and would eventually find a pair that would take care of the angel fry without a problem....the whole 'parenting' aspect is purely instinct driven IMO...some pairs SUCK at it...while others are picture perfect examples.

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    Thats a good point Tony and I agree 100%.

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    Very interesting Al! I wonder what those pair are thinking...."where did these eggs come from?" You shld take a video at some point...that wld be very cool to see! So the male went up and fanned them...? Proves what has been said all along....females are much brighter


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    I think they may be adopted by your pair... sounds like they have a very strong parenting instinct. Like Marie said, though, they'll be wondering Now when and how did these get here??? LOL.

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    Marie,
    that videos a good idea...My camcorders not the best..but I'll dust it off and see if I can get some good clips..

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    Hi Al,
    Interesting question. In nature there are many examples of parents dropping the kids off on a totaly different species to do the rearing for them. I saw a video once where an unsuspecting cichlid had it's eggs eaten and replaced by a catfish. The catfish fry were huge by comparison and acted completely different than her offspring would act, but that wasn't enough to break the instinctual parenting drive built into the cichlids. I think they will try very hard to raise them and only give up if they are overwelmed by the sheer quantity of fry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaceyo View Post
    Hi Al,
    Interesting question. In nature there are many examples of parents dropping the kids off on a totaly different species to do the rearing for them. I saw a video once where an unsuspecting cichlid had it's eggs eaten and replaced by a catfish. The catfish fry were huge by comparison and acted completely different than her offspring would act, but that wasn't enough to break the instinctual parenting drive built into the cichlids. I think they will try very hard to raise them and only give up if they are overwelmed by the sheer quantity of fry.

    Kacey
    Synodontis multipunctatus is the catfish from Lake Tanganyika that does this, although there are others this is the most common one. The catfish fry are born first and eat the cichlid fry, by the time the female is ready to release the fry all that remains is the fat little catfish.

    So far I think that the discus will make an effort to raise them but will be overwhelmed at some point from to many fry. The video would be cool Al.

    I'm sure that some breeders would hope that it could work the other way around, Angel pairs raising discus fry
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    This pair has not spawned for me in almost a year..I was just about ready to split them up..

    regardless of what happens here..I'll be interested to see if they start spawning again.

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    Default Re: Any one want to gamble on this one...no money, just for kicks...

    Heres an update... I watched as a few fry spun of the cone, the discus try to gather them up and place them on the screen...I decided to really test this.. I pulled the screen and will leave it off... At this point the parents are both doing an awesome job of taking care of the fry..

    My biggest concern is when they try to spit these angel fry out...they don't stick very well..so it may be that they think they are defective..and eat them we'll see.

    I did get some really good clips of them Mouth Brooding in typical discus style...I just need to get them off the camcorder..

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    If the pair had some of their own fry I think they might adopt them but not just putting them in the tank

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