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    Wow, beautiful. I remember the post well with the little albino's. Great to see u put ur skills to work on such a fine project.
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    Very nice Al !!!!!!!! We would interested in some intermediates.

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    Al, big congrats and what an accomplishment in raising the albino frys to the form they are...it's definitely not an easy task raising albino juvies and it seemed so easy for you.

    Forrest, you might have only gotten 5 albino juvies when you sent them to me; but what in the world was I thinking sending all these beauties out to the far east lol? Al, save me all the albino frys! (j/k on the word ALL)

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    Al, Big congrats yah. Please update us from time to time ! Keep up ur good work.
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    "Hi Mark,
    yes... two albinos will produce albinos.. and only albinos. Its a recessive trait...so 2 fish can carry the genes as in my intermediates pair here... but not show them... when they breed... a percentage .... around 25% should be albino...50 % will be recessive for the trait..looking normal but carrying the albino genes.. and 25 % will look normal and carry no albino genes......"


    Al thank you for expressing that fact so clearly. I do share your appreciation towards the wild side. I have the same strain, also from Forrest, and my pair just moved the wrigglers to the back of the cone. It is their second spawn, the first was also small in number. This one does look bigger.

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    Al, they look amazing. I can't wait until they round up at around 2".

    Quote Originally Posted by brewmaster15 View Post
    yes... two albinos will produce albinos.. and only albinos.
    Unless you're dealing with kribensis, in which case two albino parents will have a mix of albino and normal fry

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    Excellent Al! I'm glad those parents are producing some albino fry. Can you keep us informed of the status and appearance of those youngsters?



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    Quote Originally Posted by brewmaster15 View Post
    The story gets a little better too... I have another group of fry ...same parents.. this spawn was bigger...looks like maybe 25 albinos and 100 wild type.. These went swimming a few days ago.

    hope you like them..

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    they certainly get better and better after each spawn. simply awesome. well done.
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    Wow Al:

    Congrats! I've been watching ur Albino fry threads with much interest Learned a few things too like "How low can you go with the water level to get fry to attach!" ....Thanks for sharing! and I'm looking forward to seeing how big you can get these

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Smith View Post
    Al, they look amazing. I can't wait until they round up at around 2".



    Unless you're dealing with kribensis, in which case two albino parents will have a mix of albino and normal fry

    Al, those babies look great, keep up the good work

    I think Ryan's comment also applies to bristlenose plecos, my fish had a 50/50 mix of browns and albino (and don't know the ratio of long to short fin)

    Tina

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    Default Re: Brew's Homegrown albino alenquers

    Thanks everyone for the kind words..

    Hey Ryan and Tina,
    On the albinism.... The explanation I posted for the genetics is the text book case of a recessive gene.. whether its albinism or any other trait.. two heterozygous parents yield a predictable proportion of Offspring carrying the traits and expressing (25%), carrying but not expressing(50%), and not carrying at all (25%). Thats the rule usually...but there are variations.... I wonder if in your fish what you are seeing is something like this.. Sorry its people based..

    Types of Albinism

    While most people with albinism have very light skin and hair, not all do. Oculocutaneous (pronounced Ock-you-low-kew-Tain-ee-us) albinism involves the eyes, hair, and skin. Ocular albinism involves primarily the eyes, while skin and hair may appear similar or slightly lighter than that of other family members.
    Over the years researchers have used various systems for classifying oculocutaneous albinism. In general, these systems contrasted types of albinism having almost no pigmentation with types having slight pigmentation. In less pigmented types of albinism, hair and skin are cream-colored, and vision is often in the range of 20/200. In types with slight pigmentation, hair appears more yellow or red-tinged, and vision often corrects to 20/60. Early descriptions of albinism called these main categories of albinism "complete" and "incomplete" albinism. Later researchers used a test that involved plucking a hair root, and seeing if it would make pigment in a test tube. This test separated "ty-neg" (no pigment) from "ty-pos" (some pigment). Further research showed that this test was inconsistent, and added little information to the clinical exam.
    http://www.albinism.org/publications..._albinism.html

    Maybe those non-albinos you saw were along the lines of above...

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    Hi all,
    heres an update on my fry from this pair...so far all is going well.. I have two batches going... one is about 4 weeks and the other is 6-7 weeks...


    hope you like them...I do.

    -al

    heres the newest batch 4 weeks...

    albinos.. and wild type are separated..
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    Default Re: Brew's Homegrown albino alenquers

    6 week albinos...

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    Default Re: Brew's Homegrown albino alenquers

    wild type here at about 6-7 weeks...

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    Default Re: Brew's Homegrown albino alenquers

    Holy smokes thats sooo cool.. so many babies with good shapes already at such young age.. way to go Al..

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