Hikari Frozen Discus Formula

[discusRcool]

I guess Hikari has a new Bio-Pure Discus formula. Does anyone know anything about this food? Doesn't seem to be on the market yet.

[sublevel007]

I would be interested in this as well. Any info out there I can't seem to find anything on this.

[madfish]

I seen a sign for it today at my LFS. I looked in the freezer and they didnt have it. I asked when they will be getting it and there answer to it was "your guess is about as good as mine".

[discusRcool]

Hikari has updated their description of Discus Bio-Pure (link).

Here are the ingredients in order:
"shrimp, squid, brine shrimp, spirulina, water, pyridoxine, beta carotene, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphlosphate (stabalized vitamin C), vitamin B12, riboflavin, thiamine mononitrate, biotin, choline chloride, folic acid, pantothenic acid, inositol, niacin."

Here is the guaranteed analysis:
" Crude Protein 6.9% Min.
Crude Fat 1.8% Min.
Crude Fiber 1.3% Max.
Moisture 86.0% Max."

Isn't that kinda low on the protein analysis?

[Dolphin Dip]

that seems really low... my other discus frozen food is 21[ish]% crude protien.

[discusRcool]

I read that Hikari takes their analysis from wet samples whereas most food manufacturers take their analysis from dry samples. So that explains why the protein reading is so low. If you were to take a dry sample from Hikari's food you'll probably get the same type of protein percentage, if not more.

So it's safe to use

[Dolphin Dip]

I read that Hikari takes their analysis from wet samples whereas most food manufacturers take their analysis from dry samples. So that explains why the protein reading is so low. If you were to take a dry sample from Hikari's food you'll probably get the same type of protein percentage, if not more.

So it's safe to use

wow. that's a topic i explain to customers daily at work.

[paletka]

Hi,
Looks like this food will be ok as "candy" not as food.
Not enough protein and other ingridiens to grow discus and keep them in good shape.

Chris

[discusRcool]

Hi,
Looks like this food will be ok as "candy" not as food.
Not enough protein and other ingridiens to grow discus and keep them in good shape.

Chris

But the analysis they give is based on wet weight. If Hikari took a dry weight sample like other food manufacturers the protein percentage would go way up as well as everything else.

[FishLover888]

that seems really low... my other discus frozen food is 21[ish]% crude protien.

Well, living creatures have about 80%-90% of water anway. You have to take that out when you compare to dry foods. I don't know how you can have 21% of protien in your frozen food, unless you are loading it with dry flakes with the fresh meat. Otherwise, at least 80% of water is a giving to any frozen food.

[Dolphin Dip]

my jack wattley discus formula has a minimum crude protein of 21.4%. i don't add anything to it.

[mikesmac]

This really does have a lot of stuff in it as compared to some other foods.... never tried it but I might now if I can find something other than the couple ounce packages.

Mike



Ocean Nutrition Jack Wattley Discus Formula

Ingredients: Blood worms, clams, plankton, shrimp, Mysis shrimp, spinach, gel binder, krill hydrolysate, spirulina, vitamins (choline chloride, Vitamin C (ascorbic acid, stabilized ascorbic acid), Vitamin E supplement, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex, Vitamin A acetate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, Vitamin B12 supplement, Vitamin D3 supplement, beta-carotene supplement, biotin), amino acids (dl-methionine, taurine, lysine), and trace elements (manganese sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, sodium selenite).

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein* 21.4% min
Crude Fat 0.8% min
Crude Fiber 0.8% max
Moisture 81.6% max
*Protein as a percentage of dry matter 89.5%

Feeding Instructions: Feed often, but only what your fish will consume in three minutes. Remove any uneaten food. Never overfeed. Keep unused portion in your freezer.

[Dolphin Dip]

i found the small jw formula at petco. but i've also seen the huge packages at a local place down here [san diego] called pet kingdom.

[FishLover888]

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein* 21.4% min
Crude Fat 0.8% min
Crude Fiber 0.8% max
Moisture 81.6% max


Somehow 81.6% + 21.4% add up more than 100%

[Dolphin Dip]

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein* 21.4% min
Crude Fat 0.8% min
Crude Fiber 0.8% max
Moisture 81.6% max


Somehow 81.6% + 21.4% add up more than 100%

the keywords are the MAX and MIN. meaning that there is room for variance.