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    Nice,
    Keeping my fingers crossed

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    Quote Originally Posted by hnirvani View Post
    Nice,
    Keeping my fingers crossed
    Good luck(soubhagya) and keep us posted with updates!!
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    Could be two males......

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    Hey good news, have some 200 eggs today.
    Was little vexed to see parents picking eggs or cleaning stuff close to the eggs.
    Have separated from parents. Have put a glass divider. Feels sad to see parents wanting to take care of eggs across the glass shield
    Me sure they are male female, since they got paired out of 12.
    Now, I worry about fungus, seemingly they seem to grow fast.
    Secondly need to wait how much of 200 have been fertilized.
    Will keep you posted-hope this thread is not getting spammed by me.

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    Well you have at least one female....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hnirvani View Post
    Hey good news, have some 200 eggs today.
    Was little vexed to see parents picking eggs or cleaning stuff close to the eggs.
    Have separated from parents. Have put a glass divider. Feels sad to see parents wanting to take care of eggs across the glass shield
    Me sure they are male female, since they got paired out of 12.
    Now, I worry about fungus, seemingly they seem to grow fast.
    Secondly need to wait how much of 200 have been fertilized.
    Will keep you posted-hope this thread is not getting spammed by me.
    You should left the parents fan the eggs and let them take care of the spawn.You can use a screen like this one
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    Will do that today - thanks
    Happy new year wishes

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    If I cross breed a Blue SS to a Albino millennium gold will the offspring inherit the gold color

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    Only if the Blue SS has some hidden genetics (het golden gene).
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    Quote Originally Posted by alcastro View Post
    If I cross breed a Blue SS to a Albino millennium gold will the offspring inherit the gold color
    Quote Originally Posted by nc0gnet0 View Post
    Only if the Blue SS has some hidden genetics (het golden gene).
    Or possibly if the AMG has a pigeon blood base rather than golden. The base is largely hidden behind the expression of the albino gene and it is not so easy to tell them apart. If this were the case f1 would throw around 50% gold colors.

    Regrettably, names don't always reflect the genotype!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod View Post
    Or possibly if the AMG has a pigeon blood base rather than golden. The base is largely hidden behind the expression of the albino gene and it is not so easy to tell them apart. If this were the case f1 would throw around 50% gold colors.

    Regrettably, names don't always reflect the genotype!
    Thank you, not sure the AMG is a male, wait and see

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    Quote Originally Posted by nc0gnet0 View Post
    Only if the Blue SS has some hidden genetics (het golden gene).
    Thank you Rick, we will see

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    Quote Originally Posted by alcastro View Post
    Thank you, not sure the AMG is a male, wait and see
    Just wanted to add that by rereading my post I realized it was not completely accurate. My answer assumed a heterozygous pb base and if that were the case my response holds, but it is also possible that the AMG is homozygous for the pb gene in which case all the babies will be gold. That's why in radical crosses like this, it is imperative that accurate accounting is done on the f1's and f2's. Only in this way can we discover the genotype involved, and then make best choices with parent selection so you can achieve your breeding goal.

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    I am new to discus and trying to learn about the genetics... Is there a website with a list of the current base mutations? I was thinking of buying a Red Dragon pair, but when I try to look up info on this mutation, there is nothing I can find. Is this two mutations bred together? Any help would be awesome. I know how genetics work, I breed reptiles and birds also, just cant find any info on the history of Discus mutations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichargerb View Post
    I am new to discus and trying to learn about the genetics... Is there a website with a list of the current base mutations? I was thinking of buying a Red Dragon pair, but when I try to look up info on this mutation, there is nothing I can find. Is this two mutations bred together? Any help would be awesome. I know how genetics work, I breed reptiles and birds also, just cant find any info on the history of Discus mutations.
    Your right about discus genetic information on the net, though in book form, Martin Ng's discus catalogue is the best imo. He uses vague language, but his photos do show the range of phenotypes in the f1 and f2, and in this way we can make assumptions based on genetic theory. Most of the single gene mutations are pretty well known amongst seasoned breeders anyway, though are far from being understood on a deep level. I can list the ones I am familiar with, to at least give you a start, along with a short description of the phenotype.

    First the dominants:

    Pigeon blood (Xanthic base color with a large amount of black pigment overlay. Modern types have greatly reduced black pigment from selective breeding, to better show through the base and secondary colors and patterns. )
    Snow White (solid white color to golden white, usually with a slight blue tinge around the anal fin. White eyes.)
    Solid Red (all pattern is gone)
    Snakeskin (mood bar anomalies regarding number and form. Also they frequently show a much finer and complex pattern and commonly show fragmentation of the pattern, particularly on the head. Some of the most coveted strains have this gene incorporated.)

    And the recessives:

    Blue diamond (Solid pattern with zero reticulations)
    ghost (Middle 7 mood bars removed. Grey base color. Secondary patterns largely removed)
    albino (no black pigment)
    golden (xanthic base color. Some black pigments though inline with natural color tendencies, unlike pigeon blood which is scattered and erratic in a seemingly random manner.)

    If I think of more I will edit them in. Most fancy discus strains are derived from 1 or more of these mutations in combination. The red dragon carries the pigeon blood gene, though without a photo it is impossible to say for sure. Names don't always reflect the genotype!!

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