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    Default Re: Using Potassium Permanganate aka PP

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscusLoverJeff View Post
    I just want to add to the conversion of PP.

    Below is 3 different fomulations and the "Gram" weights are different from what I see. Which one is correct?

    Volumes Measured in Litres

    1.Take a clean plastic bottle that holds 1 litre (1,000ml) such as a cola or lemonade bottle.
    2.Weigh out 20 grams of PP.
    3.Add this PP to the bottle, using a dry funnel or a funnel made from paper may help.
    4.Half fill with fairly hot water.
    5.Put the top on and close firmly.
    6.Shake vigorously until all the PP crystals have dissolved.
    7.Carefully open the bottle and top off to the 1 litre mark with cold water.
    8.Close the bottle and store in a cool dark place away from children.
    Dosing:
    1 drop of this stock solution will give 1mg/litre or 1ppm dose rate.
    2 drops of this stock solution will give 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.
    3 drops of this stock solution will give 3mg/litre or 3ppm dose rate.
    4 drops of this stock solution will give 4mg/litre or 4ppm dose rate.
    20 drops is equivalent to 1 millilitre of stock solution and will treat 10 litres at 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.



    Volumes Measured in US Gallons

    1.Take a clean plastic bottle that holds 1 litre (1,000ml) such as a cola or lemonade bottle.
    2.Weigh out 75 grams of PP.
    3.Add this PP to the bottle, using a dry funnel or a funnel made from paper may help.
    4.Half fill with fairly hot water.
    5.Put the top on and close firmly.
    6.Shake vigorously until all the PP crystals have dissolved.
    7.Carefully open the bottle and top off to the 1 litre mark with cold water.
    8.Close the bottle and store in a cool dark place away from children.
    Dosing:
    1 drop of this stock solution will give 1mg/litre or 1ppm dose rate.
    2 drops of this stock solution will give 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.
    3 drops of this stock solution will give 3mg/litre or 3ppm dose rate.
    4 drops of this stock solution will give 4mg/litre or 4ppm dose rate.
    20 drops is equivalent to 1 millilitre of stock solution and will treat 10 US Gallons at 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.




    Volumes Measured in Imperial (UK) Gallons

    1.Take a clean plastic bottle that holds 1 litre (1,000ml) such as a cola or lemonade bottle.
    2.Weigh out 90 grams of PP.
    3.Add this PP to the bottle, using a dry funnel or a funnel made from paper may help.
    4.Half fill with fairly hot water.
    5.Put the top on and close firmly.
    6.Shake vigorously until all the PP crystals have dissolved.
    7.Carefully open the bottle and top off to the 1 litre mark with cold water.
    8.Close the bottle and store in a cool dark place away from children.
    Dosing:
    1 drop of this stock solution will give 1mg/litre or 1ppm dose rate.
    2 drops of this stock solution will give 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.
    3 drops of this stock solution will give 3mg/litre or 3ppm dose rate.
    4 drops of this stock solution will give 4mg/litre or 4ppm dose rate.
    20 drops is equivalent to 1 millilitre of stock solution and will treat 10 Imperial (UK) gallons at 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.

    And then Rick posted his measurement with another gram weight.

    "Add two and one-half (2-1/2) LEVEL TEAspoons (about 15 grams) of PP to the bottle."

    I was discussing this with some of the guys and before someone else gets confused on this, lets get some clarification.

    Jeff
    All 3 are correct.

    The gram measurements are different because he is giving drops per 1 unit. Liters, us gallons, and UK gallons are all different sizes, so the grams needed to make the 1L stock solution will be different.

    One thing to keep in mind, the
    More concentrated you make the stock solution, the more narrow your margin of error.

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    Default Re: Using Potassium Permanganate aka PP

    Quote Originally Posted by William Palumbo View Post
    Thanks for posting Jeff. I have a bag of dry powder, and I would like to make up a stock solution, but I have no scale. I need the measurements of the dry PP in Tsp. or Tbs. in relation to water...Bill
    There is a conversion in the previous post/quote. I suggest getting a gram kitchen scale for your fish room. Its worth the $10, especially when dealing with chemicals and hundreds of dollars of fish. It will enable you to be more accurate and less worry.

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    Default Re: Using Potassium Permanganate aka PP

    Quote Originally Posted by William Palumbo View Post
    Thanks for posting Jeff. I have a bag of dry powder, and I would like to make up a stock solution, but I have no scale. I need the measurements of the dry PP in Tsp. or Tbs. in relation to water...Bill
    Bill,

    I would follow Ricks equation on this at;

    "Add two and one-half (2-1/2) LEVEL TEAspoons (about 15 grams) of PP to the bottle." assuming he is refering to a 1 liter bottle.

    What threw me off was that all stated, to a 1 litre bottle. But not I get it, thanks Josh and everyone.
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    Default Re: Using Potassium Permanganate aka PP

    Quote Originally Posted by joshvito View Post
    There is a conversion in the previous post/quote. I suggest getting a gram kitchen scale for your fish room. Its worth the $10, especially when dealing with chemicals and hundreds of dollars of fish. It will enable you to be more accurate and less worry.

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    Very true on owning a scale. I use it for everything fish related and kitchen related. Maybe the US will convert to metric someday and we can all understand a universal measurement with breaking it down for the US.
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    Jeff, for what it's worth I do the middle set of instructions for US gallons and yes, a gram scale is most handy.
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    I will use PP for the first time this week.
    and I've read in quite a lot about it. but one slowly because I do not get wise on the pH importance. some say you should be below pH 7 and it's getting really toxic to fish above pH 7.5, while others say that the pH does not matter.
    what do you say on this?

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    Hi Perlan,
    pH is probably the least important factor with its use, IMO. We have many members from very different areas and pH levels in their water. . I would be more concerned with the concentration of PP you use and the duration you have chosen to use it for. Other factors include if your water source has other chemicals added like chlorine and chloramines. ...You mentioned that you have read alot....which is great! Just be very careful when you use it as to how its used and do not leave the fish unattended...Having hydrogen peroxide on hand and being able to do an emergency waterr change is a must with PP treatments...especially when you are new to it.

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    ps.. my well water aged has a pH 7.6 to 7.8 and no issues with using pp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewmaster15 View Post
    Hi Perlan,
    pH is probably the least important factor with its use, IMO. We have many members from very different areas and pH levels in their water. . I would be more concerned with the concentration of PP you use and the duration you have chosen to use it for. Other factors include if your water source has other chemicals added like chlorine and chloramines. ...You mentioned that you have read alot....which is great! Just be very careful when you use it as to how its used and do not leave the fish unattended...Having hydrogen peroxide on hand and being able to do an emergency waterr change is a must with PP treatments...especially when you are new to it.

    Hth.,
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    Hey. thanks for the reply.
    I have no chemicals in the water. just run with clean Rewers Osmosis water.
    I will run the course of treatment in a 222 liters aquarium, and has 500 liters of water prepared and temperate. partly in order to finish quickly, but also for water change right after. will run a course of 21 days, with re-dosing of PP every third day. will use me out a 2ppm solution.

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    That's a lot of water. Hope you have a lot of PP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnhu View Post
    That's a lot of water. Hope you have a lot of PP.
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    I have lost discus using PP and would avoid using it as far as possible and instead do regular WC and maintain good filteration.Remember disease in discus are due to mainly poor water conditions and feed most of the times.PP have to used with great caution and I would rather use salt dips

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    Does anyone know what happens when you put hot water in a soda bottle and shake it…this is dangerous..beware!!

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    So, this will be my first treamtent with pp. What signs of discomfort must i look in diskus to prevent damage? Can be pp treatment used in a tank with driftwood, or is it better to remove it first? How many times must i repeat it in case of flukes? And last, i would need 10 ml for 100liter, according to the upper conversion?

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