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    Default Re: Using Potassium Permanganate aka PP

    You can get some from me Ben...I bought the 3 lb container and now have a 5 generation supply. I also have an adapted U.S. measures only version of the instruction from BIDKA I can e-mail to you, send me your e-mail via PM if your interested. They probably have the other signs to look for in those instructions. I'm guessing clamping up and hiding may be on the list, but don't remember for sure. I'd look now, but we're about to leave for a 4th of July thing. Honestly if you use PP as directed I don't think you'll see any signs of distress anyway. I've probably used a dozen times without and adverse affects, except for the one time I used in on 1 or 2 inch fish and double up the dosage used to 4 ppm.
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    BIDKA instructions :http://bidka.org/pp1.shtml

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    hey guys i know that this was posted before but can someone give me the direct link to buy the PP

    thanx
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    Just sharing 1 lb of Potassium Permanganate US $16.99

    http://www.koienterprise.com/Parasit...nate-p-71.html

    Quote Originally Posted by perea1419 View Post
    hey guys i know that this was posted before but can someone give me the direct link to buy the PP

    thanx
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanyuki View Post
    Just sharing 1 lb of Potassium Permanganate US $16.99

    http://www.koienterprise.com/Parasit...nate-p-71.html
    Thanx I will be ordering this today
    125 gal planted discus show tank 3 snow white, yellow face red melon, golden lolly pop, blue diamond, eruption, 6 rummy nose, 3 rainbows, 2 geophagus, 10 rasboras, 6 cerry barbs, 6 corrys, and on highfin pleco

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    Quote Originally Posted by nc0gnet0 View Post
    To Make A Stock Solution:

    Throughly wash and dry a 1 liter (1000 mL) poly soda bottle.
    Fill the bottle half full of hot tap water.
    Add two and one-half (2-1/2) LEVEL TEAspoons (about 15 grams) of PP to the bottle.
    Cap the bottle and shake very well for one minute.
    Let the resulting purple-black solution stand for 10 to 15 minutes. Shake occasionally.
    Invert the bottle and inspect the bottom and sides for any PP crystals which have not dissolved. Continue shaking until all have dissolved.
    Top-off the bottle with additional tap water (hot, cold, warm... no matter) and shake once more to mix.


    Dose Table Using The Stock Solution Created Above

    1 ppm = 0.25 mL of stock solution per US Gallon
    2 ppm = 0.50 mL of stock solution per US Gallon
    3 ppm = 0.75 mL of stock solution per US Gallon
    4 ppm = 1.0 mL of stock solution per US Gallon
    5 ppm = 1.25 mL of stock solution per US Gallon
    6 ppm = 1.5 mL of stock solution per US Gallon
    20 ppm = 5 mL of stock solution per US Gallon

    I would never dose above 2 ppm. Never leave a fish being dosed with PP alone, monitor for signs of stress. When active PP will turn the water a pink/purple color. If you have alot of disolved organics in the water, PP might turn brown before the treatment is over. If this happens you will need to redose the PP. Any dechlorinator will de-activate PP, efectively turning it off. Always add oxygen during a PP dose as it can and does remove oxygen from the water (how much again depends on your disolved oraganic load.
    I mixed this solution.
    I then added it to a newly WCed 19.5gallons of water column. The water turned yellow/brown after I added 10mL's. So I added 10 more mL's. Water is still not pink.

    I haven't put any fish in yet, should I add more solution? How much organics can be in the tank? I wiped down all 5 sides and changed 95% of the water before dosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshvito View Post
    I mixed this solution.
    I then added it to a newly WCed 19.5gallons of water column. The water turned yellow/brown after I added 10mL's. So I added 10 more mL's. Water is still not pink.

    I haven't put any fish in yet, should I add more solution? How much organics can be in the tank? I wiped down all 5 sides and changed 95% of the water before dosing.
    I just realized I had a plant weight in the tank with the PP. I'm guessing that since PP is an oxidizer, it probably reacts with metals in the plant weight. The tank is now covered in a dusty rust colored particulate. Guess I'll be doing a large WC and attempt to mix again later.
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    Make sure there is no dechloranator in the tank prior to dosing
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc0gnet0 View Post
    Make sure there is no dechloranator in the tank prior to dosing
    Any help on how de-chlorinators work. E.g. if I do a wc and dose the appropriate amount of Seachem Safe. How long do I wait for the de-chlorinator ?

    Also, after I neutralize the pp with h peroxide, is it safe to put my hand in the water.
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    The dechlor will neutralize the PP just the same as the H202 would, so if you have any residual dechlor in the tank when you add the pp it will be neutralized. Better to use the PP prior to the WC if your chlorine/chloramine levels are to high for the fish to take a WC without dechlorinator, or do a water change with aged water prior to treatment.

    As for your hands, if your fish can take it your hands should be ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc0gnet0 View Post
    The dechlor will neutralize the PP just the same as the H202 would, so if you have any residual dechlor in the tank when you add the pp it will be neutralized. Better to use the PP prior to the WC if your chlorine/chloramine levels are to high for the fish to take a WC without dechlorinator, or do a water change with aged water prior to treatment.

    As for your hands, if your fish can take it your hands should be ok
    Waited 24hrs w/o using a dechlor. Not I got purple water.
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    Will PP help with internal worms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshvito View Post
    Will PP help with internal worms?
    No only external....

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    Default Re: Using Potassium Permanganate aka PP

    I just want to add to the conversion of PP.

    Below is 3 different fomulations and the "Gram" weights are different from what I see. Which one is correct?

    Volumes Measured in Litres

    1.Take a clean plastic bottle that holds 1 litre (1,000ml) such as a cola or lemonade bottle.
    2.Weigh out 20 grams of PP.
    3.Add this PP to the bottle, using a dry funnel or a funnel made from paper may help.
    4.Half fill with fairly hot water.
    5.Put the top on and close firmly.
    6.Shake vigorously until all the PP crystals have dissolved.
    7.Carefully open the bottle and top off to the 1 litre mark with cold water.
    8.Close the bottle and store in a cool dark place away from children.
    Dosing:
    1 drop of this stock solution will give 1mg/litre or 1ppm dose rate.
    2 drops of this stock solution will give 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.
    3 drops of this stock solution will give 3mg/litre or 3ppm dose rate.
    4 drops of this stock solution will give 4mg/litre or 4ppm dose rate.
    20 drops is equivalent to 1 millilitre of stock solution and will treat 10 litres at 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.



    Volumes Measured in US Gallons

    1.Take a clean plastic bottle that holds 1 litre (1,000ml) such as a cola or lemonade bottle.
    2.Weigh out 75 grams of PP.
    3.Add this PP to the bottle, using a dry funnel or a funnel made from paper may help.
    4.Half fill with fairly hot water.
    5.Put the top on and close firmly.
    6.Shake vigorously until all the PP crystals have dissolved.
    7.Carefully open the bottle and top off to the 1 litre mark with cold water.
    8.Close the bottle and store in a cool dark place away from children.
    Dosing:
    1 drop of this stock solution will give 1mg/litre or 1ppm dose rate.
    2 drops of this stock solution will give 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.
    3 drops of this stock solution will give 3mg/litre or 3ppm dose rate.
    4 drops of this stock solution will give 4mg/litre or 4ppm dose rate.
    20 drops is equivalent to 1 millilitre of stock solution and will treat 10 US Gallons at 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.




    Volumes Measured in Imperial (UK) Gallons

    1.Take a clean plastic bottle that holds 1 litre (1,000ml) such as a cola or lemonade bottle.
    2.Weigh out 90 grams of PP.
    3.Add this PP to the bottle, using a dry funnel or a funnel made from paper may help.
    4.Half fill with fairly hot water.
    5.Put the top on and close firmly.
    6.Shake vigorously until all the PP crystals have dissolved.
    7.Carefully open the bottle and top off to the 1 litre mark with cold water.
    8.Close the bottle and store in a cool dark place away from children.
    Dosing:
    1 drop of this stock solution will give 1mg/litre or 1ppm dose rate.
    2 drops of this stock solution will give 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.
    3 drops of this stock solution will give 3mg/litre or 3ppm dose rate.
    4 drops of this stock solution will give 4mg/litre or 4ppm dose rate.
    20 drops is equivalent to 1 millilitre of stock solution and will treat 10 Imperial (UK) gallons at 2mg/litre or 2ppm dose rate.

    And then Rick posted his measurement with another gram weight.

    "Add two and one-half (2-1/2) LEVEL TEAspoons (about 15 grams) of PP to the bottle."

    I was discussing this with some of the guys and before someone else gets confused on this, lets get some clarification.

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    Default Re: Using Potassium Permanganate aka PP

    Thanks for posting Jeff. I have a bag of dry powder, and I would like to make up a stock solution, but I have no scale. I need the measurements of the dry PP in Tsp. or Tbs. in relation to water...Bill

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