Breeeding heckel x heckel in Poland

[Yogesh]

Hi
There is a link to photos of Andrew's hatchery with heckels

http://www.superdiscus.pl/heckel.html

As far as I know, the ph of breeding water was 3,7. The region of Poland where he lives has an excelent water for breeding discus and he uses just tap water !!!

Hi Barbara,

Going by pictures evaluation in the link; couple of pics where you see both Heckels together, frys are totally missing.
Pictures where you see frys seem to have only one parent Heckel with them.

[kaceyo]

Hi Barbara,

Going by pictures evaluation in the link; couple of pics where you see both Heckels together, frys are totally missing.
Pictures where you see frys seem to have only one parent Heckel with them.

That's the first thing I noticed too. I'm not saying it is deliberate, but it raises questions.

[Larry Bugg]

Heckle x Heckle is rare enough that you really need verification. Hate to be that way but..........................

[Yogesh]

Right, we are not acting as criticizers or spy but just verifying few facts.
IMO getting true wild-caught Heckel female spawning is close to impossible as many people tried & still waiting. And when you claim something like this rare incidence, please bring on all visible evidences. You will definitely get accolades from people.

[Heiko Bleher]

Hi Barabara and all you guys,

I also looked very closely, and on one side I am very happy to see this happening in Poland, on the other side we know about Alberto who in 2005 bred them but we never hear from him again and never anyone (to my knowledge) knows what happend with the offspring.

Here, with the Polish breeding, and please Barabara have a look for yourself and please try to help, as you known them very well (and I have written about them extensively in my upcoming volume 2):

1. There is no pair anywhere to see on those two videos. Just on everyone a single very beautiful Rio Negro region Heckel Discus with babies (and one video is with a mirror reflection of the single fish).

2. The same is on the photographs. There is not one photograph with a Heckel Discus pair and young fishes with them, it is always a single one.

3. There is one single photograph (the second from the left, below the text in Polish stating the breeding and the date), where one can see two Discus together (which I think is the pair), and the one fish in front is the one who has the babies on the following photos and it is also the fish on the videos. But the discus behind on that picture is NOT a Heckel discus, but S. haraldi, a very nice Blue.

These facts from Photos and Film make me wonder, why did he never get a single photo or on film the pair together with the babies? Why? Maybe he can still do it?

Could you kindly tell us, and please write me an e-mail also, about my questions as I wanted to record this with pleasure still in volume 2. Would be nice.

All the very best und very nice to hear from you, and I hope you come to Naples, to Italy's gretest Discus Championships (200 entries so far) and Aquarium festival in Italy's history (one week before Duisburg...).

See you, and all the very best,

always

Heiko

[Gajowa]

Hi Heiko

Andrzej said, that it was difficult to take photos, because heckels were in dark tank, and he didn't wanted disturb them. Now babies are seperate from the parents, and there is only 39 of them. Photos of the babies are on his website.
He will be in Naples, maybe you can talk to him there.

[Heiko Bleher]

Hi Barbara,

thank you very much, that is very kind of you. I will talk to him in Naples and hopefully he has some pictures of some of the 39 babies.

Simply because all should have with the age of 3-4 month the typical centre bar.

Thanks again and all the very best, and hope to see you in Duisburg, if not in Naples... And actually in Duisburg I will have some beautiful wild new discus...

Always

Heiko

[mountain_priest]

i do have a confirmed pair of blue face heckels(from Hans thru LFS that he supplies). late last year they finally had wigglers after many unsuccessful spawn in my community tank unfortunately all fries got eaten after they were free swimming by the other fishes in the tank. they are now on their own tank and am preparing them for breeding again, if my setup is successful lol

[Gajowa]

Hi Barbara,

thank you very much, that is very kind of you. I will talk to him in Naples and hopefully he has some pictures of some of the 39 babies.

Simply because all should have with the age of 3-4 month the typical centre bar.

Always

Heiko

There is an update on Andrew's website. Heckel babies are 3 mth old and yes they have typical centre bar. Not many are left.

http://www.superdiscus.pl/heckel.html

You can see the pair guarding the eggs on the photos as well.

[Skip]

i would like to see a WARLOCK x POLISH (my fav!!)

[Tito]

One of those pics does show two Heckels and fry by the spawning cone.

[kaceyo]

One of those pics does show two Heckels and fry by the spawning cone.

More than one photo shows fry and adults near a cone. Very interesting photo's. I would have liked to see pics of the fry feeding on the parents though.
How many of the spawn survived? Are Heckel fry more susceptible to pathogens or water related problems than other wild strains fry? I know water conditions are more critical for heckels in general, but I'd guess that was well in hand or there wouldn't be any heckle fry to begin with.

[ockyra215]

Well Its a nice looking heckle adult!
Would of been nice to see both parents and fry together.
Even if its a wild and domestic cross still cool! Hard to say were they a true pair?
What happend to the fry.Good luck with them.

[Tito]

Well Its a nice looking heckle adult!
Would of been nice to see both parents and fry together.
Even if its a wild and domestic cross still cool! Hard to say were they a true pair?
What happend to the fry.Good luck with them.

Did you look at these pics from their website??

http://www.superdiscus.pl/heckel.html

[Jennie]

Great looking fish regardless