Micro Bubbles

[Jennie]

now Al, What the heck am I going to do with that example?? hello, ideas for dummies needed here

[brewmaster15]

now Al, What the heck am I going to do with that example?? hello, ideas for dummies needed here

oh okay...I can give you one there...

55 gallon water storage barrel
250-300 watt heater
air pump and air stone
Time ( 12-24 hours)
55 gallons tap water

Combine all the above and do a water change!

-al

[roclement]

That's why I love this place! There is always people with the answers to all questions! Thanks for the explanations everyone! So I guess my simplified explanation was semi correct!

I agree with Al about the stress on the fish and almost certain death for fry. I have had success with the bottle set-up but I guess the only sure fire way would be to age the water, especially for fry! Maybe the bottle works as a de-gaser of sorts, who knows, all I know is that it works, but again, with fry it's tough.

On my fry tanks I replace the water behind Poret foam that devides the tank and I see no microo bubbles on the fry side at all.

Rodrigo

[Jennie]

Rod, when you say you provide water for fry behind poret, are you doing so straight from tap without the aid
of the bottle?

[Jennie]

smarty! All fun aside, you know how crazy my ph fluctuates. Just looking for ideas beyond having to store 3 to 4 water aging barrels.

oh okay...I can give you one there...

55 gallon water storage barrel
250-300 watt heater
air pump and air stone
Time ( 12-24 hours)
55 gallons tap water

Combine all the above and do a water change!

-al

[Jennie]

Ok Ok you were right Al! Tank ph before water change 6.4 tap 7.6 unchanged using poret when refilling. Guess will have to go get 2 litre bottle to try it Rods way.

[roclement]

Rod, when you say you provide water for fry behind poret, are you doing so straight from tap without the aid
of the bottle?

Now that the water is still not that cold, and I haven't made my bottle yet, I am going staright into the tank, behind the poret and no bubbles in the other side. I have not checked for PH fluctuations.

Rodrigo

[Tito]

shoot...

no wonder I killed off that first batch of fry!

[Jennie]

I find if I do 50 % water change on the juvies, the micro bubbles, gas off quickly. the small fish don't seem to be too affected when I do it that way. The larger discus that I put through 80% daily don't really care period, even though the tank is cloudy with the micro bubbles for 30 minutes. BUT not sure how this affects them longterm, healthwise.

[aalbina]

I was able to use Al's idea - the fish are a little scared of it in this photo but I think that with time they will adjust....

now Al, What the heck am I going to do with that example?? hello, ideas for dummies needed here

[brewmaster15]

lol,
You gotta love digital images!!! Adam. better watch it..they'll lay eggs on that!!

-al

[Jennie]

ROTF Adam! Love it!

I was able to use Al's idea - the fish are a little scared of it in this photo but I think that with time they will adjust....

[scottishbloke]

Hey guys,

Being a canny Scotsman, I did some searching and came across a small sized and quite simple DIY degasser designed by another Brit on another discus forum. In the thread in question, they are actually trying to build their own DIY filtration systems that include the air-stripping of dissolved gases, including some ammonia etc. Here is the link:

http://forum.bidka.org/showthread.php?t=2899&page=2

If you scroll down to Post#19 and after, it has pictures helping to show how to make your own DIY degasser. In the meantime, I am going to use an empty 55g tank to try out an idea I had using something even more simple during the next few days, and will report on the results after doing several trials. Those bubbles have gotta go!!

Colin

[Jhhnn]

The big issue, I think, is getting the microbubbles to form outside the fish. Water interchange across the fish's skin and gills is quite large, and could lead to gas bubbles inside the fish, a very bad thing.

I recall Yasmeena having such problems, before leaving discus keeping...

I think a huge amount of degassing would occur just from putting makeup water through a sprayer, like a showerhead, as it entered the tank...

I'm with Al, in any event- aged and conditioned water for my discus... it's just part of my water changing system, which works quite well...

[scottishbloke]

I think a huge amount of degassing would occur just from putting makeup water through a sprayer, like a showerhead, as it entered the tank...

My thoughts exactly- that's what I'm going to try out this weekend. I found one of those screw-on spray gun attachments for a garden hose in my shed that I once used years ago, before I replaced it with a wand for watering my hanging baskets. I will be trying it out on a fishless tank with some driftwood in it to see if it works or not...

Colin