why are FBW so bad?

[gsteve]

Just gave mine to petsmart... man im glad i found this out. Was driving me nuts , actually have a drs apt tuesday because of all the rank allergy stuff i have going on.

[Eddie]

These are just my opinions, so take them with a grain of salt.... I think the largest concerns with blood worms are that they
1) can cause serious allergic reactions in hobbyists
2)nutritionally questionable.. not all protein is created equal as far as digestibility and usage. Exoskeletons are not well digested, IMO.
3) collected in the wild or possibly "farmed" outdoors which means higher potential for for picking pathogens and higher potential for absorbing pollutants.
4) Sterilized???????Not sure how much faith to put into that but since we don't know the processes used I can't really comment there in any meaningful way
5) Theres many better foods nutritionally and cost wise.... IMO.


Hth,
al

Cut and dry

[Jhhnn]

Hikari FBW have been a part of my discus' diet since I came back to keeping them 2 years ago. I also feed Carol's beefheart, seafood mix, Hikari FBS, Hikari frozen spirulina brineshrimp, and frozen Hikari mysis. I haven't experienced any allergies to the FBW, and my fish have grown quite large and are overall extremely healthy. They like the FBW and the beefheart best.

The latest batch of FBW does contain some larger specimens, oddly enough, which my smaller discus, ~ 4.5"-5", don't seem to want to eat... the big boys & girls eat 'em all, regardless of worm size. I just started on the new batch, so we'll see how it works out.

They also get occasional treats of FDBW, pre-soaked.

[hedut]

Well this is funny. Well every fish love real food and not fake one . so do you love the real food or can food? BH is human man made food and you won't find in the wild

[brewmaster15]

Well this is funny. Well every fish love real food and not fake one . so do you love the real food or can food? BH is human man made food and you won't find in the wild

Hmmm Hendri, So are you saying that because a food is a "natural" food ( as in found in nature in wild uninfluenced by humans Form) its better for a fish nutritionally than a man made food? I disagree if you are. I hear that arguement about BH not being in the wild a discus comes from all the time..and my reply is neither are tetra bits, pellets,, flakes, Baby brine shrimp, etc...and yet all these are used successfully in the aquaculture of discus. Matter of fact, I don't know a large hatchery out there that does not use Beef, ox, or turkey heart mixes as their main/only food for discus by the thousands and thousands...I doubt that they could afford it if they fed "natural" foods and I doubt that they could meet the nutritional requirements of growing and breeding discus as well without these man made foods.

Tubifex is Natural food...raised in and largely collected in sewage and heavy metal contaminated water...is that better than a commercial man made food or handmade BH heart or seafood mix? I think not...but the Discus do like tubifex greatly!

Adult live Brine shrimp or frozen are another great "natural" food...almost totally devoid of some essential nutrients for fish development...Hence the mfgs now tout "enriching" them ..I've fed these as treats..and man oh man the discus Love them.

-al

[MostlyDiscus]

Well now that you mention it I have had some of the same things going with eyes etc. I thought it was from the high humidity but Im thinking otherwise. The main diet for my fish right now is freeze dried blackworms. Great growth no mess. If there is a way to buy another kilo from someone(hint hint) Im in the market. Ed

[brewmaster15]

The main diet for my fish right now is freeze dried blackworms. Great growth no mess. If there is a way to buy another kilo from someone(hint hint) Im in the market. Ed

Got you covered my friend ! Just sent you an email.

thanks!
-al

[hedut]

I mean is if natural food could make discus grow more bigger and man made food could make discus more beautiful

[vss]

from what I heard, bloodworms cannot be farm raised and can only survive in very dirty environment, which might also be contaminated. they're very hard to clean. Hikari is the cleanest, but still I do not 100% trust it. Seriously, before every feeding of FBW, I first soak the worms in dark PP for 20 minutes and then rinse it very well just to be safe. The only good part of BW is that discus love it and it does not dirt the water. I'd also highly recommend the frozen dried black worms from Al. My fish love it even more than the FBW, and it is nutritious enough to be fed massively as one of the staple food.

Xiaofei

[Chaotica]

hmm why none of you uses Ocean's nutricion bloodworms ? or am i missing smthing i havent seen it posted anywhere . plus i think its one of the cleanest out there , altho i havent tryied hikari yet !

[jimmyjoe]

I'd like to say what are all you people smoking or drinking, or maybe it's because I wash my hands after using FBW's. Maybe it's the individuals using said product. Some people are allergic to grass so does that mean they should rip out there front yards an put concrete in and paint it green or what. I can feel where you guys and gals are coming from but my god it's a fish and a hobby. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going, IMO you either use FBW's or you don't, I do an have never had problem's with any at all. Excuse me Al but it seems because you've had problems now they're all coming out of the wood work, could this be favoritism but this is JMO.................Jim in Ohio

[brewmaster15]

I'd like to say what are all you people smoking or drinking, or maybe it's because I wash my hands after using FBW's. Maybe it's the individuals using said product. Some people are allergic to grass so does that mean they should rip out there front yards an put concrete in and paint it green or what. I can feel where you guys and gals are coming from but my god it's a fish and a hobby. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going, IMO you either use FBW's or you don't, I do an have never had problem's with any at all. Excuse me Al but it seems because you've had problems now they're all coming out of the wood work, could this be favoritism but this is JMO.................Jim in Ohio

Say what Jim? Do me a favor before you make comments like that and do a net search on it...You'll answer your own question.

Its real simple Jim and it ain't Rocket Science...... go to google.com and enter the words..Bloodworms Allergies

Personally I'm glad that some hobbyists out there have identified their allergy to blood worms...because I'll tell you what if you haven't experienced it...you have not a clue on how bad it can get. I've been bringing this topic up for years on the forum .

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[gsteve]

Well said. Joey has no clue what he speaks of.

[DiscusOnly]

I'd like to say what are all you people smoking or drinking, or maybe it's because I wash my hands after using FBW's. Maybe it's the individuals using said product. Some people are allergic to grass so does that mean they should rip out there front yards an put concrete in and paint it green or what. I can feel where you guys and gals are coming from but my god it's a fish and a hobby. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going, IMO you either use FBW's or you don't, I do an have never had problem's with any at all. Excuse me Al but it seems because you've had problems now they're all coming out of the wood work, could this be favoritism but this is JMO.................Jim in Ohio

Wow...I don't know what to say. People are allergic to peanut and the don't put up walls but they do have "peanut free" classroom. Just because you are not allergic to it doesn't make others liar. Posting their negative experiences is to inform others, not some secret agendas.

I didn't know what the heck was going on with me until I started searching a few years back. This is one of the post that helped me figured out what was going on.

http://www.fishforums.com/forum/fyi-...loodworms.html

Van

[korbi_doc]

Ok, c'mon guys....there is no doubt that anything can cause allergies, & some of these reactions from FBWs from ANY source can be severe....& if one develops allergies from FBWs, then of course, STOP USING THEM!! As Al has shown, 'bout 30% + ppl do this, so there are lots of other options.....as for myself, I can touch the flats & break'm up & feed & so far all ok, use as treats at nite....been lucky, no reaction yet, & when I go on trips, my friends can use the cubes & not touch'm....no pblms so far...but sure would stop if there is one.....just use common sense & all will be well!! JMO

Dottie