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    1. Please explain the problems with your fish/when and how they started

    Arrived home at 2:30, this alenquer was happy, normal and begging for food. Went outside a couple of hours, look in tank fish was 2/3 dark and darted to back of tank and came to rest between a bit of wood and back of tank and sat there. I could not even see the fish breathing. I washed hand and arm, reached in and touched fish. It darted to front of tank is lying on the sand bed. Picture below.

    All other fish look normal.


    2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/ white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds)

    No symtoms on this fish or any of the other fish in the tank


    3. What medications/ treatments that you have already tried and results. Include dosages and duration of treatment.

    Upon seeing fish in this condition, adding 1 table salt/per 10 gallon to simply be a stress reliever.


    Tank/Water

    4. Tank size and age, number and size of fish

    75 gallon with 12 gallon sump. 5 discus 5 to 6 inch each.
    1 cardinal tetra.

    5. Water change regime/ how long has tank been running/ bare bottom or gravel/ do you age your water?

    50% every other day/ 3 months / thin sand bottom.

    6 Parameters and water source;

    - temp _____82

    - ph _____ 7.8

    - ammonia reading ____0

    - nitrite reading ____0

    - nitrate reading ____Between 0 and 5.0

    - well water ____Y

    - municipal water ____

    7. Any new fish/plants added recently

    Add new alenguer last week after 5 week QT.


    Additional Info: Food: BH mx (with baby vet. added), BH flake, Vegetable based flake, and FDBW.

    Water: Aged 80% tap/RO 20% mix.

    There has been no indication of anything wrong in this tank. Whole house as been happy and hungry so at a lost on this one. This fish does not seem to be breathing but have seen it shake once (about 5:30 PM)

    Last water change was last night, changed about 60/65 percent.


    Last edited by Second Hand Pat; 04-22-2011 at 06:49 PM.
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    Default Re: Very Suddenly Sick

    Bummer..sorry to see this; he looks like toast from here....Startled, brain fart, and then dashed into something??...
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    Sorry to hear that Pat. Didn't you have one do something similar a few weeks ago?

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    sorry to see that pat...i've had head stander's go in a day but nothing that fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TURQ64 View Post
    Bummer..sorry to see this; he looks like toast from here....Startled, brain fart, and then dashed into something??...
    Yea Gary, my thought too and do believe it's toast too. c**P

    Quote Originally Posted by jimg View Post
    Sorry to hear that Pat. Didn't you have one do something similar a few weeks ago?
    One of the Uatuma blues have minor HITH. I followed that up by adding vitamins (especially D) to the BH mix. Same tank however, possible relationship?
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    Sorry about continued issues. I've had many instances of something like this happening over the last few years. Anyhow, this is not the same tank you had a problem with when you were gone for a weekend, right? It does look like a darting problem and unfortunately, no one seems to know what exactly causes this. When darting was an isuse for me, it would happen out of no where and without any visible symptoms. I don't think it's because the fish got spooked. It's because something is wrong with the fish and/or water. Hope it doesn't spread to other fish. Stay strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason K. View Post
    sorry to see that pat...i've had head stander's go in a day but nothing that fast.
    Me either Jay, I was pretty shocked to walk in a see that. Maybe it's what Gary said. Also asked hubby if he had strayed anything in the home and he said no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YSS View Post
    Sorry about continued issues. I've had many instances of something like this happening over the last few years. Anyhow, this is not the same tank you had a problem with when you were gone for a weekend, right? It does look like a darting problem and unfortunately, no one seems to know what exactly causes this. When darting was an isuse for me, it would happen out of no where and without any visible symptoms. I don't think it's because the fish got spooked. It's because something is wrong with the fish and/or water. Hope it doesn't spread to other fish. Stay strong.
    Correct, this is a different tank. I will and watchful.
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    Oh Pat,
    I'm so sorry, how sad.

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    I don't think HITH would take a fish that fast... perhap's he did bash his head severly. sorry I can't help...
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    I just thought you came in one day awhile ago and found a discus dead or dying for no apparent reason?

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    Default Re: Very Suddenly Sick

    Thanks Lizz.

    jimg, yes, the weekend I was gone for a weekend to my niece's wedding and happen in a different tank. The fish was upside down barely breathing and I culled it. It's side were ruffed up maybe from BN attack. One of the other fish had some marks on it's side and several member's suspected BN attack also. Could not be BN in this case but could be a water relationship?
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    I would definitely check water maybe if you see others darting in the near future try carbon in the filters, may be toxins. may have just been spooked and hit his head as others say. I think in the other cases the bn got on them after they were down.
    Sorry again, seems whenever things are going too good something has to hamper it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimg View Post
    I would definitely check water maybe if you see others darting in the near future try carbon in the filters, may be toxins. may have just been spooked and hit his head as others say. I think in the other cases the bn got on them after they were down.
    Sorry again, seems whenever things are going too good something has to hamper it!
    Thank jimg, I have not seem any darting except when I have caused a spook bumping the tank. The fish has passed. I have it here with me and do not see any visible trauma. Any thing I should check?
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    just a thought ....have you checked to see if your tank has any stray voltage making your fish jumpy?
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