A Tale of Two Sponsors... Discus Origins and HEK Discus

[hekdiscus]

Oh dear Hudson, you say no more discussion, yet you want to continue to speak negatively.

Why? Because as I told you, I did not want my money back....I want quality fish to sell. I have a business with rent, cost of tanks, utilities, employees. I pay you money, you give me same money back, how does a business survive with zero profit?? I sell the fish because I explained to the customers and they agree to accept the fish, not because the were top quality, but they were better quality than any other local vendor.

You agree now they were bad and you wanted them donated to forum? Why so you look like the good guy in this and leave me looking like the bad person? That is your idea of a good partnership? Please, hope the public is more educated than to think you are an angel.

You are now on possible your 3rd supplier for US. Hans no longer does business with you, HIS decision. You decided not to ship me fish AFTER I gave you second chance to make things right. You realized that you couldn't sneak anymore bad fish past me so you didn't want to do another shipment. Why did you send me email to 'start over new' when you returned from Europe only to come back and and go back on your word and change your mind? Lets make sure everyone knows the story.

I hope that you will practice some humility and not continue to post on this subject. I have every single email saved between us from 2 months before the shipment when you promised everything to now when you blame everything on me. I did not start this and only respond to what you post.



Hudson, how was next shipment going to happen if you decided not to ship me fish? That is my question.....and how did I receive defective fish if you only send top quality?

Mark respects the forum, and be done with it.
will not do anything to know who is right or wrong.
Eggs have been broken........

[hekdiscus]

"Simply friends,
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I understand that this is getting past the point of being constructive and in danger of getting out of hand, and that is not what I had in mind when I posted this morning. I take my work and my reputation very seriously and sometimes wear my emotions on the tip of my fingers...
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I assure you that I sent Discus Origins the best possible fish, at the price points he chose to order, period. There was no subterfuge involved, or bait and switch tactics; he asked for certain fish and received them.
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Upon receiving them and not being happy with what he got, he contacted me and I asked him to have patience with them and, after holding them for a few days, we would talk about what to do next, Mark inferred that I sent him poor quality fish*so I offered him a full, 100% re-fund of the cost of shipping and fish, as well as a 20% bonus on top of it all with one condition; send the fish to those who ordered, at no cost other than shipping.
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My intent was to assure that those who ordered the fish would get them, I asked that the receivers of the fish make a donation to Simply Discus on my behalf instead of paying the price of the fish.
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Let me make this clear, I offered to re-fund the fish plus shipping, and an extra 20% on top of it all, and was willing to give the fish away for free with the only beneficiary being Simply Discus. Are those the actions of someone that is not serious about his business?
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I also made the decision of not continuing the relationship with Discus Origins, and that is a right I have. I want a partner in the US that wants to work with me in growing the market there, a relationship built on mutual respect and a common goal.
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I wish Mark all the best and continued success in his new ventures.
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Sincerely,
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Hudson"

[hekdiscus]

Sounds like no angels ....

Dear friend, I will keep my word and I will send the angel fish, after quarantine, all healthy and in perfect condition, I will not fail to meet my end customers, who are you, even though the Mark to receive the fish.
the problem happened to him and will not affect my relationship with my clients and friends of the forum, you can not be harmed because of my problem with Mark

[Discus Origins]

I offered him a full, 100% re-fund of the cost of shipping and fish, as well as a 20% bonus on top of it

I retract my prior post about the offer not existing...in going back I found you did make the offer, I apologize Hudson for the mistake. It was lost in all the emails and looking back I should have accepted your offer as financially I would have been in a better position.

I will be exiting this thread and respect Hudson's space.

[hekdiscus]

Here you will not answer any more subject related to Mark.
This space was created to be used for growth of the hobby and not for fighting and problems between the sponsors, I will ask the staff of the administration to withdraw all of this forum posted by both parties and give an end to this history of child wanting prove who is greater than another.

I assume I'm the dwarf's story and Mark is the Giant

Mark please shut her mouth and word of this post, you will not Modifies what I think about you.

Hudson

[brewmaster15]

Hi all,
I have split this thread out of the Amazon section where it really did not belong and have moved it to the review forum. I chose the name of the thread as I did because this is an exchange between two sponsors and sellers on the Forum that unfortunately did not work out.

I wish Both sponsors all the best, and hope that this is over and put to rest so they can both Continue on with their business plans.

Regards,
Al

[jimmyjoe]

To all that has been affected by this turn of events about the quality of wilds that were sent to us from Hudson of Heks Discus. I didn't want voice my displeasure but was urged to by what I said to Mark earlier on, I was not given the choice to choose my wilds when they came in. So just like some have said they got to choose the pick of the litter you might say, I am happy with my wilds let me say that up front. I was disappointed though in what was delivered and what I was expecting from what we had to pay for these discus. The quality in my eyes was not there, from the tank shots to the video's I do not see the same quality in what I received. I hope that one day we that are receiving the quality discus can actually say we have some quality discus in our tanks. Again I want to say that I was expecting better from you Hudson, I wonder what the people or market that gets the better quality discus are paying compared to what we had to pay for these. This is just my opinion, thank you .................Jim in Ohio

[Kingdom Come Discus]

First I would like to say, I am so sorry this did not turn out well for Hudson or Mark. I was getting my hopes up for those RSG. I can only hope to see Mark bring some top quality RSG into the States in the near future.

I would also like to add I was very happy with all 20 of Hudson's fish I received from Han's last year. Were they the best of the Wilds available to the world? Of course not. Not when a high quality wild fish in Japan are selling for a average of 58,000 yen right now. Yes over $700.00. I have seen the best of the best listed in Japan for 300,000 yen, nearly $4000.00 and you better believe the fish was sold. Last year in my quest for show fish I was offered three of the top winning spotted fish from Malaysia for $1200.00 each. These were fish which had already won big in various show in Asia.

I know first hand how it feels when one suddenly realizes they may not be able to deliver the fish which they promised. This sick feeling is only multiplied by 10 when you have taken deposits for pre-orders and have had many who trusted you well enough to have paid in full upfront. After the scare last spring I made up my mind to never sell fish again on a pre-order basis. There is just way to much that can go wrong. Also I, have made it a point to only pay the importer for half of the shipment total until the fish which were ordered have arrived and have turned out to be what was promised, (this tactic may prevent me from ever bringing fish back into my fish room), but I would rather not deal with that level of stress again.

Not all suppliers are going to stand behind the fish they ship, in fact I believe most would not, especially by offering a full refund.

Good luck to all involved and I can't wait to see the Angels when they arrive.

[Discus-n00b]

To be honest, its hard to judge if you don't see them in person....not sure you can judge without seeing them. I like both of these guys very much, I have nothing against either and I would buy fish from either again in a heartbeat. But to make such comments nikon, is IMO, not correct especially on the grounds that you were looking at pictures. Granted, Mark, Pat, and Larry who saw them all in person rather then a select group, would be a better judge then me....not one of mine had a bad shape. Mark I'm sure did some quality control before shipping, but still it wouldn't be fair to say they all have bad shapes, or all are small. 2 of mine rival my Piwowarksi JUMBO Red Turqs that I have who are at least 6-7". The pictures most saw were from Hudson's QT tanks, not like his planted display tank with fish in there for 9+ months. Just like the pictures sent to Hans before.

Yes one of mine was on the small size, but the shape and potential of them look to be very good based on the ones I received from Hans. Which by the way were not the prettiest, perfect fish at first either. I can put size on them, no problem. I know with Hudson's fish I'm getting healthy, quality (IMO), and a true location of the fish. These fish eat and are colorful very soon after coming out of the bag, not like an LFS wild that stays dark for weeks and hides in the corner.

I've said it before, maybe I'm in the minority I don't know. But like I said, I've got nothing against either of these guys (Hudson or Mark) and I'm not going to get into the politics or their personal business dealings. I'm all about the fish. I am happy with the fish I received, just like I was when Hans brought them in and I'm very happy with the service from Mark.

I'll be sure to take pictures of these in 10 months to make some people see, "ugly ducklings" as some might consider them can turn into pretty awesome swans. First impressions shouldn't always hold true for wilds, they change so much. If anyone has any that look bad like this that they want to get rid of let me know lol . This one is new, and the 2 on the right as well. Maybe I'm crazy I don't know, I'll go put my glasses on.


With that being said, I look forward to staying in contact with Hudson and hearing about his adventures in the Amazon and see all of his great pictures. And I also look forward to what Mark has in store for the US wild market in the future. Thanks Hudson for sending me fish that I am thrilled to have in my tanks, and thank you Mark for making that possible and being a trustworthy, honest, easy and great vendor to work with. Thumbs up to both, even if the partnership did not work out.

[hekdiscus]

Hello
I've been out and returned only in the Amazon today. ( in Santarem )
Now , in the next month I will return to provide the best discus for the U.S. market, provided as always, high quality,
but now with a new partner and professional manner, the customer will be able to choose H & K Discus there in the United States, and will not depend on a request, nor to remove the fish after arrival. I wanted to give this topic closed, but since he has opened ......

Wait for H & K North America said the price and pictures of fish tanks there in the United States, a unique way to guarantee that you will buy this right and this will avoid mistakes.

Best regards

Hudson

[Discus Origins]

[QUOTE=hekdiscus;827857]Hello
I've been out and returned only in the Amazon today. ( in Santarem )
Now , in the next month I will return to provide the best discus for the U.S. market, provided as always, high quality,
but now with a new partner and professional manner, the customer will be able to choose H & K Discus there in the United States, and will not depend on a request, nor to remove the fish after arrival. I wanted to give this topic closed, but since he has opened ......

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Hudson,

I have not posted regarding this subject since Al moved the thread to this section. I can not control if members want to give their feedback or opinion. Please do not involve me in 'reopening the topic'. To me the topic is closed and I have moved on to different partnership. May you be successful with your new partner in the US and I wish you lots of luck.

[hekdiscus]

[QUOTE=Discus Origins;827911]

Hello
I've been out and returned only in the Amazon today. ( in Santarem )
Now , in the next month I will return to provide the best discus for the U.S. market, provided as always, high quality,
but now with a new partner and professional manner, the customer will be able to choose H & K Discus there in the United States, and will not depend on a request, nor to remove the fish after arrival. I wanted to give this topic closed, but since he has opened ......

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Hudson,

I have not posted regarding this subject since Al moved the thread to this section. I can not control if members want to give their feedback or opinion. Please do not involve me in 'reopening the topic'. To me the topic is closed and I have moved on to different partnership. May you be successful with your new partner in the US and I wish you lots of luck.

Mark, if I posted it bother you that is your problem, I'm just telling people that follow my work for me a professional is a wholesaler who buys larger volumes and otherwise different from yours with a few boxes, please respect my opinion, I will send 20 or 30 boxes for the United States and with attractive prices as well, because the wholesalers for the condition is much better, and also best for Discus lovers, everyone will gain from this, the competition is good for everyone.

Hudson

[Discus-Hans]

[QUOTE=hekdiscus;828079]

Mark, if I posted it bother you that is your problem, I'm just telling people that follow my work for me a professional is a wholesaler who buys larger volumes and otherwise different from yours with a few boxes, please respect my opinion, I will send 20 or 30 boxes for the United States and with attractive prices as well, because the wholesalers for the condition is much better, and also best for Discus lovers, everyone will gain from this, the competition is good for everyone.

Hudson

Now this all starts to irritate me Hudson with all the talk about high quality, bigger orders, do you want me to post the pictures of some of the Discus I got in last shipment????????? And I didn't make small orders.

Hans

[pcsb23]

Folks, please only post 1st hand experiences as per http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth....ALL-READ-THIS!!!!! and http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...BEFORE-POSTING

Thanks.

[hekdiscus]

[QUOTE=Discus-Hans;828194]

Now this all starts to irritate me Hudson with all the talk about high quality, bigger orders, do you want me to post the pictures of some of the Discus I got in last shipment????????? And I didn't make small orders.

Hans

Go ahead ..... Hans