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    Quote Originally Posted by joshvito View Post
    I don't necessarily agree with you, as ugly people can have pretty and ugly offspring.
    If this was absolutely the case, the movie Idiocracy will soon be a reality.
    I do thank you for your opinion.
    People breeding and fish breeding are kind of different. LOL
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    It would be like breeding 2 plow horses and getting a race horse...possible, but very, very unlikely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Nicholson View Post
    It would be like breeding 2 plow horses and getting a race horse...possible, but very, very unlikely.

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    But more likely than a race horse, because instead of 1 offspring at a time, fish give you many multiples.


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    I understand your argument but it still highly unlikely, but here is a thought. You raise out your spawn and bring the very, very best "race horse" that you raise to the next NADA show in 2014. That way we can compare it to other "race horses" and you can decide if it was a worth while venture.

    Beside you would have a blast. NADA shows are out of this world.

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    07.06.12 - day 11

    Eating bbs 3x a day. The fry are definitely more exploratory and even picking at parents food.

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    07.07.12 - day 12



    Water parameters before a 50% WC
    Ph - 7.0
    Temp - 78.5
    NH3/NH4 - 0
    TDS - 103
    GH/KH - 17.9 - 35.8 ppm
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    07.09.12 - Day 14
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    Day 21

    Pulled the parents today, as they were acting semi-aggressive. Fry are eating crushed flake of any variety, FDBW, and BBS.





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    Very cool Congrats, disregard the rude comments.

    Your PBS will likely show strong peppering but can help to strengthen genes on the Turks. Watch the PBS and hang on to the cleanest of the bunch, you never know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limige View Post
    Very cool Congrats, disregard the rude comments.

    Your PBS will likely show strong peppering but can help to strengthen genes on the Turks. Watch the PBS and hang on to the cleanest of the bunch, you never know!
    There is not a single rude comment in this post. The forum is here to provide information. Just because the information was not what he wanted does not make it rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Nicholson View Post
    There is not a single rude comment in this post. The forum is here to provide information. Just because the information was not what he wanted does not make it rude.

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    It's all part of the discussion for learning. Thank you all for your feedback and creative critiques.
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    Joshvito, I won't get in to all the politics... all I can say is that I'm fan of your experiment! My best pair wasn't based off two beautiful discus but instead based off a pair that were such awesome parents that they raised about 20 fry to just over a month old (until I had a dumb idea and did an overhaul of the filtration system which sucked them up... water's a lot cleaner now) in a community tank. And they were ugly & stunted... but damn were they my best pair.

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    My Current Grow-out Setup


    A shot of my grow out tank.

    My growing fry are housed in a bare bottom, 55 gallon tank with a Poret foam divider placed at the half way point.
    The reason for this is to keep the fry food items concentrated in a smaller area, while maintaining a larger volume of water for more stable tank conditions. The concentrated food volume makes feeding easier, and the fry are able to eat with less wasted food.

    Each side of the tank has an air driven sponge filter. I believe they are Hydro-Sponge Pro IV Filters. I purposely let the sponges get "mucky" and only rinse them in waste tank water once a week, usually on Sundays. It is my belief that the filters provide infusorians and other micro-fauna for the developing discus to graze on in between feedings.

    In addition to the three pieces of foam in the tank, I run an external canister filter with mostly mechanical and biological media on the opposite side of the fry. This filter is what I like to think of as my "Fall back" filter. If I choose to give the sponge filters a thorough cleaning, I am not worried about bacteria loss, because the canister filter will offset any loss. The canister also contains a 100g Seachem Purigen bag.

    Also of note in the photo, I keep easy, forgiving live plants in both sides of the tank. Mostly just Java Moss and Najas Grass, but Anubias are easy to care for also. There is also some driftwood on the non-fry side, mainly because it provides a place for the moss to attach. Plants help to keep the nitrate lower between WC, and provide places for micro-fauna to populate.

    Most nights, after the last feeding, I have time for a water change. I remove as much water as I can. My limit is the size of my water holding container at the moment (33G trash can). Often times, I will remove more than what I have on hand for replacement, and the tank will not be "full." As long as my intake for the canister is below water level, I don't sweat the lack, and I just replace it with the next change.

    I'll post a bit more about my daily routine/maintenance in a couple days.
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    Day 24

    Took a shot of fry while they were eating for the third time today. From the looks of the fish at the moment, I have at least two different patterns forming, and a possible third. This photo shows two. The third is close to the verticals bar coloration, without the dark line through its eye.


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