Thanks for the posts guys. I love flowerhorns very much. My goal is to create a strain with all of the desired aspects of a quality flower horn. Color intensity and contrast, thick square bodies, pearls throughout body and across the head, wrapped tail and ofcourse head. This spawn in this thread is one of many from this pair and I am no longer using the male in my breeding program. A lot of people think that a super flowerhorn is created through breeding two high quality horns together and you get the same quality fish. This is rarely true. It takes about 3 generations to get the kind of fish i'm after. This is why I have fry from 4 different sets of parents and am in the process of cross breeding them. It has taken me a long time to even get to this point but my patience seems to be paying off. Right now I have full body red fry with full body pearls and wrapped fins. And some fry already developing head. I think one of the worst mistakes people make when breeding flowerhorns is going for the head gene immediately while sacrificing color and pearl intensity. Flowerhorns have been bred for two decades now. All carry head gene. You just need the numbers to be able to get some fry with big head. That's why I have chosen breeders who come from stock with color and pearls and wrapped finnage. Wrapped fins are the hardest to get out of all the desired traits. Atm I am on my phone. When I get home I will snap some shots of a few fry to show off their progress. I have bred flowerhorns for years but it is only now that I have had the success that I have been having lately. I have found out that I have had to think outside the lines of traditional breeding methods to get where i'm at right now.