Wild Blues first successful spawn - Pair 1 round 6

[Len]

Pair 1 have a mass of wigglers now and have been moving them to a new are as the eggs continue to hatch.

[Second Hand Pat]

:D congrats Len

[Keith Perkins]

Pulling for you to see attachment Len...especially given it's that pair.

[Len]

I'd like to show the swarm of wigglers but I'm trying not to hover around them too much. There are many eggs that didn't hatch, but the number of did is still massive. I didn't expect she could lay as many as she did this time.

[Eddie]

Nice! Good luck with them Len!

[Len]

The fry were starting to attach with pair 1 when I left for work this morning. Will see what happens later today. Progress at least :)

[Discus Origins]

Very nice! Maybe they are ready this time :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Happy for you Len and crossing fingers for tonight.

[Poco]

Good luck with them.

[bonginator]

Great thread. Good luck this time! I have enjoyed following your progress..

[Len]

Well the fry are swimming on the parents backs now. It doesn't look like it was a very large number that did attach, but I'll know for sure a little later. It's too difficult to see this time of day with the sun coming into the room and glaring on the glass. Either way, it's progress so maybe future spawns will go smoother. I won't take any pictures or video just yet but after they are settled in for a day or so I'll see if I can't get something to post :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Len, attachment may not be done. Congrats on your progress so far.

[Len]

Thanks Pat. It shouldn't take more than 12 hours should it?

[Second Hand Pat]

It generally takes a day for the Tefe's. I have read on the forum that domestics can take longer. Honestly I do not have enough experience to say anything useful. I have been told by my wilds mentors attachment takes between 1 to 4 hours.

[Eddie]

Well the fry are swimming on the parents backs now. It doesn't look like it was a very large number that did attach, but I'll know for sure a little later. It's too difficult to see this time of day with the sun coming into the room and glaring on the glass. Either way, it's progress so maybe future spawns will go smoother. I won't take any pictures or video just yet but after they are settled in for a day or so I'll see if I can't get something to post :)


Sounds good Len! Even if they only have a small batch, its practice.

[Len]

That's what I was thinking Eddie, but I have to stand corrected. There are actually a lot more than I thought there were. They are on both parents and now that it's darker, you can see them swarming without even walking up to the tank :) :)

[Poco]

Pics will do wonders :D please post some when you can.

[Second Hand Pat]

I knew it wasn't a small spawn. :)

[Eddie]

That's what I was thinking Eddie, but I have to stand corrected. There are actually a lot more than I thought there were. They are on both parents and now that it's darker, you can see them swarming without even walking up to the tank :) :)

Awesome!

[Keith Perkins]

Well if this isn't wonderful news to come home to. Congrats on taking another big step, and here's to a few more.

[Len]

Not the best quality, but I grabbed a quick video with my phone while I was feeding the other fish. This is the male


http://youtu.be/WtmOf47nc3E"]http://youtu.be/WtmOf47nc3E

[Dogvet06]

Beautiful fish, congrats!

[Second Hand Pat]

Well done Len, super happy for you. Mom is super red.

[Poco]

Awesome!! Both parents are very nice.

Good luck!

[Len]

Thank you, that's nice of you to say :) I've been working with them for a bit now, and was to the point where I thought they would never get it right.

[Eddie]

Amazing! Wishing you the best Len!

[Keith Perkins]

Thank you, that's nice of you to say :) I've been working with them for a bit now, and was to the point where I thought they would never get it right.

That just makes this point that much sweeter Len. Nice little clip, looking forward to seeing more.

[Len]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkYU3qLG9mA

[Keith Perkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkYU3qLG9mA

This video is unavailable. :(

[Len]

All good now :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow, the color on mom and all these young'uns . You are going to need lots of bbs Len :)

[Moon]

Len your patience paid off. Good luck

[Eddie]

Super nice color! Can't beat a wild carrying fry, ever!

[Len]

I have to admit that it's a truly amazing site. I'm thankful I finally get to see it, but may not have if it weren't for all of the help I received from some really gracious people. I've had a million and one questions for Pat, Mark Chen, Dale Jordan plus others and they've all answered them for me and given me different things to try until it finally worked out. That's one of great things about Simply -- there's always help available if you ask for it.

[Len]

Well we've made it through day 5 of free swimming fry and they've been getting freshly hatched bbs since yesterday. Although I can't see them eating it, they have little round orange bellied so they must be eating at least some of it :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Sweet news indeed Len. They make little darting motions going after the BBS.

[Eddie]

Well we've made it through day 5 of free swimming fry and they've been getting freshly hatched bbs since yesterday. Although I can't see them eating it, they have little round orange bellied so they must be eating at least some of it :)

Awesome! Will be nice to see them grow out!

[Len]

Well the parents attitude has changed toward me in the past few days, and when I am near they go behind the piece of wood the spawn on with all of the babies so I really can't see what they are doing. Once I leave the room, I can look around the corner minutes later and they're back out. Odd how they wouldn't flinch before when I was at the front of the tank and now seem to hide, but whatever makes them happy at this point is all good.

[Len]

Yeah, I'm anxious to watch that too Eddie. They seem to be growing a lot so far, so I can't wait to see them after a month or so. I'll try to get some more videos if they start cooperating a bit again.

[Second Hand Pat]

Len, this is the batch B catching BBS. They are quite a bit older then your guys so not sure if it will help


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yac-6ZSgxyg&list=UUaeXQ_wwjMmbU52-KYBqNJg&index=43&feature=plcp

[Keith Perkins]

Glad to hear the continued good news Len. I've been watching for a new post on and off all day. :)

[Len]

Day 7

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/531/img5523k.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow, they are really getting big.

[Dogvet06]

Awe i love to see pics of parents and babies!

[Keith Perkins]

:thumbsup: I suppose though since the parents have learned a new protection method, hiding, you don't have a real good idea how many you actually have yet.

[Len]

I'd guess 60 or so. I counted close to 35 on one side and there was a bunch on the other but it's really hard to tell.

[Eddie]

Awesome!

[Larry Bugg]

Way to go Len!! What a great sight. Congrats.

[Poco]

Awosome!

[Keith Perkins]

It doesn't really matter Len, just curious. I was sort of guessing in the 60 or so range.

So what's happening with the other pair? I'm still thinking and asking about them. Trying to do my critical part. :)

[Len]

They seem to be about ready to lay again. The last set of wigglers disappeared a few days back. If they are anything like the first pair they have a few spawns left to go before they get it right lol.

[Len]

I can see the wigglers swimming around eating the bbs now :) I'm wondering if I were to mix a small bit of sera micron powder in water and squirt some in their direction if they would start to eat that too?

[Second Hand Pat]

Try it Len, make sure it is well soaked.

[discuspaul]

Congrats Len ! - Those wilds & attached fry look great !

Kinda re-kindles my interest in discus spawning & raising fry.

Haven't had discus spawn in one of my tanks for many years (since my years of living in Singapore way back when), because I've kept nothing but planted discus community tanks since then - raised juvies and then always sold them off when they got to around 5" - cause I didn't want to be bothered with raising the fry.

However, this past week 'out of the blue', so to speak, I had a pair of Blue Diamonds spawn on the face of a UV sterilizer, and 2 or 3 days later, a pair of Snakeskins spawned on a filter intake tube. Looked like 60-80 eggs in both cases.

First time for both pairs, and of course the eggs disappeared within hours, with both set of parents making short work of them.
After following your thread however, and giving thought to how many times it took your pairs to 'get it right', I'm now interested in following matters a little more closely, and who knows, I might even decide to isolate one of the pairs in another tank to see how things go.

Your thread, Len, has served to re-inspire me. And like Keith, you & Pat have got me thinking real hard about getting some wilds ! I've never kept them.

At any rate, good luck to you with those youngsters.

[Len]

I'm glad you've been inspired again :) I think if you went with wilds you would enjoy them, but that's just my opinion. Either way good luck getting some spawns going.

[Brokenrack]

wonderful sight!
Scott

[damba]

Those are stunning fish. Good luck raising the young. :)

I live in Eastbourne - the sunniest place in Britain. That isn't really saying much...
Coffee please - black and strong in pint mugs, for best results at least 6 a day.

[BobDaniel]

I like the turquoise bands on both sides of the black halo! Wow!!

[DiscusBR]

How did I miss this thread?? Beautiful pair and fry, congratulations and thanks for sharing the pics. As Paul, I aso feel inspired by threads such as this one (including Pat's). I only wish I could get my wild Cuipeuas to spawn. Keep us posted on your babies' development.

[Len]

Hi Mauro,

It would be nice to see your fish spawn. I like them very much. I saw the advice Mark Chen gave you a short while ago and it was basically the same thing that got mine to start spawning. Raise temp, lower hardness (drastically) let ph fall below 6 and stop water changes for a short period of a week or so. Then a massive water change with cooler water and drop the temp on the heater to 78. They started spawning almost right away and haven't stopped since. I was getting extremely frustrated, but then once I got some fry attached to the parents, it was worth it, so good luck and keep trying. When it finally works, you'll be glad you did.


How did I miss this thread?? Beautiful pair and fry, congratulations and thanks for sharing the pics. As Paul, I aso feel inspired by threads such as this one (including Pat's). I only wish I could get my wild Cuipeuas to spawn. Keep us posted on your babies' development.

[DiscusBR]

Hi Mauro,

It would be nice to see your fish spawn. I like them very much. I saw the advice Mark Chen gave you a short while ago and it was basically the same thing that got mine to start spawning. Raise temp, lower hardness (drastically) let ph fall below 6 and stop water changes for a short period of a week or so. Then a massive water change with cooler water and drop the temp on the heater to 78. They started spawning almost right away and haven't stopped since. I was getting extremely frustrated, but then once I got some fry attached to the parents, it was worth it, so good luck and keep trying. When it finally works, you'll be glad you did.

Thank you for the advice. I should try this method in a more consistent way, but the problem is that I travel a lot. I have been travelling for the last 10 days and I will be back home only on Monday. But after that I will be able to dedicate more time to the fish and hopefully it will work.

[Second Hand Pat]

Hope you get a chance to try it Mauro. I will be setting my Cuipeua up soon for breeding maybe we can work through it together.

[shoveltrash]

somehow I missed this thread too!
congratulations Len - I absolutely love this photo:
http://imageshack.us/a/img16/531/img5523k.jpg

[DiscusBR]

Hope you get a chance to try it Mauro. I will be setting my Cuipeua up soon for breeding maybe we can work through it together.

Hi Pat, it would be great to start our Cuipeua breeding attempts together. I will PM you with some questions and ideas.

[Len]

11 days old now and they've been picking food from the bottom and at the wood for the last 2 days. They are also starting to venture away from the parents and swim around on their own for short periods.


http://youtu.be/CqAClxHxc9g

[discuspaul]

Looking real good, Len - keep this thread going !

[Keith Perkins]

Looking quite good, thanks for the update. Now where did I put that passport application?

[shoveltrash]

fantastic vid! I look forward to continuing updates :D

[Eddie]

Very nice!

[Len]

Thanks Guys,

Here is a pic from today. It may be one of the last photos of fry with parents, because the parents seem to be getting testy with them. The male had them corralled up in a corner earlier today. Mom just seems to want to get away from them much more often. I may end up separating them within the next couple days.


http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8157/downloadzy.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow Len, they sure are getting big. It is ashame if you have to separate them now.

[Len]

Day 14

55 Fry get transferred to their own 20 Gal tank.


http://youtu.be/Gp099zF8Pas

[rdiscus]

Great job Len!

[Second Hand Pat]

Len, they look great. They will pace the glass for day or two. Are they eating? Looks like there are nice round bellies on them.

[Len]

They are eating Pat. I put some bbs in about an hour or so after I moved them and they darted around eating them. I would have liked them to be with the parents awhile longer, but the parents didn't seem to feel the same way. The female has turned that fire red colour again and they are picking at the wood already :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Len, at this rate you are going need help raising fry but what an awesome problem to have. :D

[Len]

Yeah that's the truth. I have a couple more 20s, but may have to look at more at this rate. The spawn from pair 2 looks bigger that this one.

[Keith Perkins]

Looking very nice Len. I hear you on wishing they stayed with the parents longer, but hopefully they'll do splendidly regardless. Keep the pics and videos coming, it gives me some variety from having to look at Pat's all the time. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Looking very nice Len. I hear you on wishing they stayed with the parents longer, but hopefully they'll do splendidly regardless. Keep the pics and videos coming, it gives me some variety from having to look at Pat's all the time. :)

:p

[Len]

Yeah, well talk some sense into Pat and get her to send her greens up to me and then she can focus on her other discus and get them spawning. If you work it from the angle "Pat It's for your own best interest ..." She might listen, but as of yet, she's not seeing it when I tell her. If we can get her to see things that way, she will have different videos to share. She needs the variety, after all -- it's the spice of life :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Yeah, well talk some sense into Pat and get her to send her greens up to me and then she can focus on her other discus and get them spawning. If you work it from the angle "Pat It's for your own best interest ..." She might listen, but as of yet, she's not seeing it when I tell her. If we can get her to see things that way, she will have different videos to share. She needs the variety, after all -- it's the spice of life :)

:p

[Len]

ok Keith, She's at least smiling and didn't say no. That looks like a maybe so she's warming up to the idea. She's a little resistant to change so it may take some effort

[Second Hand Pat]

Len, I do believe you have some trading material :D

[Len]

:) More than I'm going to know what to do with lol

[bonginator]

Wow - these are beautiful fish! I think I am falling in love with wilds... Please put me on your list when you decide to sell fry! Best of luck growing them out.

Sandy

[Eddie]

I'm looking forward to watching them suckers grow out!

[Len]

Me too Eddie! The excitement still hasn't worn off for me. It's hard to believe that 2 weeks ago they were little pin heads. I'm a little nervous that I had to pull them from the parents so soon, but at least I'm on vacation this week so I can watch them closely.

[Eddie]

Me too Eddie! The excitement still hasn't worn off for me. It's hard to believe that 2 weeks ago they were little pin heads. I'm a little nervous that I had to pull them from the parents so soon, but at least I'm on vacation this week so I can watch them closely.

It's all good. Glad to hear you can keep an eye on them. Sounds like a great vacation to me! :)

[Keith Perkins]

ok Keith, She's at least smiling and didn't say no. That looks like a maybe so she's warming up to the idea. She's a little resistant to change so it may take some effort


Len, I do believe you have some trading material :D

Gee and you may have even found a mule to sneak them across the border, sounds like the rest is just details. :D

[Len]

The little ones are eating like crazy. Besides the bbs, they are eating freeze dried blackworms (minced), cyclop-eeze, crushed flake and some shaved frozen beefheart (organically raised on local farm). They don't get a lot of beefheart because it clouds the water so easily, but what they do get has pro-more and nori powder added :)


http://youtu.be/l7yulh9ZrrQ

After they've had the chance to graze from the bottom for about an hour, I clean it off with the gravel vac and do a partial water change. Seems to be working out well so far.

[Second Hand Pat]

Len, they are starting to add height. Soon they will look like little discus.

[plecocicho]

Nice little F 1 wilds. Cant wait to see them mature.

[Eddie]

Very nice Len! They are looking great!

[Len]

23 Days old - Starting to look a little taller :)


http://youtu.be/GM63Z4-Gg8I

[Len]

29 Days old

These guys love Al's FDBW, and have been going through a lot of them :)


http://youtu.be/7WjQelwsMMI

[Second Hand Pat]

Holy cow Len, they are huge and hungry :):):)

[Len]

Holy cow Len, they are huge and hungry :):):)

I know Pat, you would think I only feed them weekly or something, but they would do that every hour if I let them lol. I need to get some more because they are going through them quickly. All they do now is eat and Poop -- I feed and change water.

[Dogvet06]

Love seeing ravenous babies ;)

[Eddie]

They look phenomenal Len! Awesome work!

[DiscusBR]

Wow, those are non-stop eating and pooping machines! :D They look great, good job.

[Len]

Thanks Guys, it's a lot of WCs, but I'm enjoying it :)

[Keith Perkins]

29 Days old

These guys love Al's FDBW, and have been going through a lot of them :)

You certainly know how to attract a crowd.

[Len]

I'm training them for you Keith. You'll be able to hand feed :)

[Keith Perkins]

I've got no problem with that Len. I'd have to get a passport though.

[Len]

http://youtu.be/h6mdNxC-FCU

These guys are eating like crazy still. I've been mixing it up a bit to make sure they don't get to fixed on a certain diet. So far the only thing they've turned their noses up at were the krill pellets I tried them on. They drew a line in the sand with those and refused. They do eat Beefheart flake with Pro Growth, Spirulina flake, Hi Pro Growth Flake, Triple Growth Flake, NLS pellets (the only fish I've ever had eat them), Ocean Nutrition pellets, Earth worm sticks with Garlic, Frozen Beefheart mix with pro growth (sparingly) and of course as you can see FDBW. They also get at least 4 complete water changes per day, sometimes more. I hope to cut back on those again once I get them moved out of the 20 Gal into something larger since they are quickly outgrowing it.

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow Len, they look, hungry and mostly uniform...nice. Four WCs wow.

[Eddie]

Nice Len, growing like weeds!

[Len]

Thanks, they are growing quickly. The water changes are really necessary because the water turns cloudy otherwise and it really bugs me. You can see them perk right up in colour right after a change, so they are enjoying it too :)

[nc0gnet0]

Looking very good Len, I am impressed.

Rick

[Len]

Thanks Rick. I think I have the fever now though. I'm liking them a lot and now that I have several spawns on the go, I guess it's time to start planning more tanks. I'd like to get a rack that will hold several tanks on two tiers. Problem is, I really don't have the time to build something. I'll look online and see what I can find.

[Len]

A couple of new videos taken today


http://youtu.be/EkXjy_T1Ex8
http://youtu.be/W5_byArncXo

[Altum Nut]

They are looking great Len...very uniform in size and shape and very hungry buggers.
There is an ad on Kijiji selling industrial racking in Dartmouth but not sure if it's near you.
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-business-industrial-Warehouse-Industrial-shelving-REVISED-W0QQAdIdZ427838840

Hope it helps.
...Ralph

[Len]

That's great Ralph, Dartmouth is where I work and about 10 mins drive. I'll be checking this one out. Thanks for the tip.

[Brokenrack]

awsome sight!
Scott

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice Len, they look awesome.

[Len]

http://youtu.be/7JeCzQfRq5E


Went to upload this last night and realized the new laptop I'm testing doesn't have a slot for the card from my camera:(

[Second Hand Pat]

They are getting big Len, how long are they now? They look wonderful and uniform.

[Len]

Roughly 2 inches or so.

[Eddie]

Awesome work Len! They look great!

[Len]

Thanks Eddie.

[Len]

Updates soon to come. The remainder of this batch after an unexpected water disaster are all in a 60 Gal and are starting to show some colouration. I did lose about half of the batch within 2 hours of a water change, so just shy of 30 left :( Hopefully I can get a decent video later this evening.

[Eddie]

Sorry to hear Len. Glad you were able to save some. Looking forward to the update!

[Keith Perkins]

Sad news on the losses Len.

[Second Hand Pat]

:(

[Len]

http://youtu.be/ewy97B25XSw

[Eddie]

They look great Len! Nice work! Looking forward to seeing them grow out!

[xKevinx]

those look great!

[FynePrint]

Hey Len. How are you Discus fry doing? Do you have anymore updates?

[Len]

I don't have them any longer. After some drastic water problems with the local water supply a little while back the fry had some real setbacks. I lost about half of them in one day. After that I lost a few here and there and although some reached about 3.5 inches or so, they didn't seem to be doing that great so I ended up culling the whole lot to start fresh. Since then I get spawns, but one a few hatched and were too small to put that much effort into if the parents didn't eat them. Most times though they lay and then eat the eggs two days later.