What's a "Bull Dog" Discus?

[SoCalDiscus.com]

I keep seeing the term for some of the Discus I'm looking at as a "Bull Dog" Discus. Is that the same as just calling them a high fin or does it mean something else?

[sandy]

I think their facial looks also different

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[Skip]

High body is diff. Then high fin
normal fish..

Bulldog..
Is physically deformed.. Not judged at shows

[John_Nicholson]

In my opinion a cull....take a normal discus and take a couple of three vertebrea out of it....

-john

[Chicago Discus]

A not so pretty deformed discus ....Josie

[Brokenrack]

Andrew Soh in his book The Naked Truth indicates that he believes it's a contagious disease.

[Bill63SG]

Google is a wonderful thing.

[damba]

Ugly freaky fish. Squashed face. Not nice.

I live in Eastbourne - the sunniest place in Britain. That isn't really saying much...
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[Bill63SG]

76745
Ugly freaky fish. Squashed face. Not nice.

I live in Eastbourne - the sunniest place in Britain. That isn't really saying much...
twitter @pevenseytom

[terps]

In my opinion a cull....take a normal discus and take a couple of three vertebrea out of it....

-john

I agree with John. It's an ugly cull.

[lofty]

i agree with all the above, but, they keep breeding them so someone is still buying them:confused:

[YSS]

76745

They say that the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that's one ugly looking fish.

[Carolina discus]

Bulldogs should be culled....a deformity...

HB is different...can be really beautiful in some strains....

[Chicago Discus]

I always thought it was some form of fish tuberculoses but I cant prove that because I would never purchase one......Josie

[Bill63SG]

They say that the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that's one ugly looking fish.Thank-you,I was thinking of running an "Ugliest Discus"thread with him,her,it.7674976750

[Oscarsx]

LOL

- oz

[YSS]

Thank-you,I was thinking of running an "Ugliest Discus"thread with him,her,it.7674976750


That would be a good thread.

[Bill63SG]

That would be a good thread.Done!But I remember a unicorn discus out there that could give him a run.I want to say it was Larry "Bugman" but could be mistaken.

[SoCalDiscus.com]

Yea, I'd agree with everyone here especially after seeing the photo that Bill posted. All the photos of a "bulldog" on aquabid and google looked nothing like that but looks pretty unanimous here and I'd have to agree - CULL !!!! Funny that people are charging more for these than the normal strains. Oh well.... Just curious

[jaykne]

Kind of funny though some people will pay allot of money for them. I had about a dozen out of a huge spawn I had and planned to cull them but a member her wanted them really bad. I did sell them but only charged enough to cover what it cost me to raise them to sellable size and to cover shipping supplies.

[jwelectric]

never seen an ugly discuss but have seen some that was prettier than others

[hedut]

well one man trash other man tresure

[Lab_man]

This fish looks like I feel after a hard night of drinking!

[SoCalDiscus.com]

76823
Yea, it really does look ugly! Sorry I asked. I should have just googled it first but it was a funny thread here anyway. Check this one out. Looks like someone took a bight out of it's A$$ and I'll bet the guy thinks it's valuable!

[SoCalDiscus.com]

Bill63SG: I got it started here for you bud http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?101754-Discus-you-simply-want-to-Spay-or-Neuter!&p=954587#post954587

"Discus you simply want to Spay or Neuter!"

That picture you have on your thread here is a real contestant....lol

Wish I knew how to notify everyone on this thread about it though. Oh well, just for fun. Let's see if people have fun with it bro.

Mike

[Skip]

BULL DOG BETTA

http://www.aquabid.com/uploads/fwbettasvt1354875972.jpg

http://www.aquabid.com/uploads/fwbettasvt1354875972.jpg

http://www.aquabid.com/uploads/fwbettasvt1354875972.jpg

[sandy]

But people buy this types of Discus and they are more costly then other

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[Skip]

Most hobbyist dont understand.

Not all bulldogs are the same.
Not all for me are rubbish.

all these fish come from highbody select outcrosses of bulldog.

DEX>.

now if all bulldog looked like this.. then preception would be better..

but i have never seen a bulldog line like this.. i see those stunted mutants..

for the record..

i would not call these culls..

[John_Nicholson]

I probably would not cull them but I also would not breed for them either. People can do whatever they want but the reason that they are called discus is that they are suppose to be round.

-john

[John_Nicholson]

Thry are not that unique. They have been around for a very long time. They are just not that popular. I still say discus should be round. A high body fish is not better that a long body fish.

-john

[warblad79]

I remember when I have my very first spawn and when they turned 2 inches some of them had bulldog gene and its really ugly looking fish. When I try to sell it nobody wants it, So I ended up giving it for free because its just waste of tank space. I prefer round body fish like they suppose to be. Quality highbody bulldog are not unique, people made them look unique like a mutant fish so that people can make money out of it.

[brewmaster15]

Bulldogs are one kind of discus that I just can't take a liking to. I've never liked them from Day 1 .. To each is own, but that fish type is just plain ugly to me....sorry to all that like them....they just do nothing for me.

-al

[Poco]

the reason that they are called discus is that they are suppose to be round.

-john

+1

How many of these bulldogs do you see placing high at any discus show? I will say none, reason being when they are judged by the discus criteria they don't make the mark.

[yim11]

+1

How many of these bulldogs do you see placing high at any discus show? I will say none, reason being when they are judged by the discus criteria they don't make the mark.

Actually they don't even get scored. Typically when judging the first walk through is to eliminate fish that won’t score well enough to warrant the time to judge, bulldogs and very high body fish always get cut at that time. I've never seen a bulldog get scored at judging.

[moik]

Since the conversation is about bulldog discus,,,,,lets shift the topic a little bit...How many people here have raised discus from fry size to 6.5" or bigger adult size discus with good face size /eye size and body proportions ???? Be honest....

[nc0gnet0]

Are the terms "high bodied" and "bulldog" synonymous? I know all bulldogs are High bodied, but is it correct to say not all High bodied fish are bulldogs?
For example, the Piwo's tend to look a bit high bodied (too me)(not extreme), but they are far from bulldogs.

Rick

[warblad79]

high body fish with a big chin might look like bulldog.

[nc0gnet0]

Since the conversation is about bulldog discus,,,,,lets shift the topic a little bit...How many people here have raised discus from fry size to 6.5" or bigger adult size discus with good face size /eye size and body proportions ???? Be honest....


I have.........

[Skip]

can we talk about blackworms instead??

[lipadj46]

I'd rather talk about raising juvies in a planted tank with monthly water changes

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[Poco]

can we talk about blackworms instead??


I'd rather talk about raising juvies in a planted tank with monthly water changes

Why not talk about breeding goldfish instead.

[John_Nicholson]

Since the conversation is about bulldog discus,,,,,lets shift the topic a little bit...How many people here have raised discus from fry size to 6.5" or bigger adult size discus with good face size /eye size and body proportions ???? Be honest....

I have......lots.

-john

[John_Nicholson]

Are the terms "high bodied" and "bulldog" synonymous? I know all bulldogs are High bodied, but is it correct to say not all High bodied fish are bulldogs?
For example, the Piwo's tend to look a bit high bodied (too me)(not extreme), but they are far from bulldogs.

Rick


No they are not the same thing. You can have a high bodied fish that is not a bulldog.

-john

[nc0gnet0]

No they are not the same thing. You can have a high bodied fish that is not a bulldog.

-john

I have always found discus with a "touch" of a high body qualitie to be attractive, as long as it is not taken to extremes, bulldogs I really don't care for, looks like they ran into the side of the tank at 90 miles an hour.

Rick

[johnny911]

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[John_Nicholson]

But none of those 3 fish would come anywhere close to winning...at least here in the states. Way to many issues with weak chins, bad dorsals, weak undersides. The last one also appears chicken beaked. That is the problem with the bulldogs. There extremely short bodies make it very hard for all of the other pieces to fit together well.

-john

[Eddie]

Bulldogs are one kind of discus that I just can't take a liking to. I've never liked them from Day 1 .. To each is own, but that fish type is just plain ugly to me....sorry to all that like them....they just do nothing for me.

-al

+1, a bulldog is not even a discus IMO. It never will be.

Unfortnately Dex, I would cull all of those.


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[John_Nicholson]

hehe.
thats why in international shows.
Different guys from all over the world need to work together and decide which fish is best hehe.
Every locality have own taste.

The "Chin" is just mostly due to pump feed especially with high protein meat diet.
Underfed fish will never have these kind of chin.


I have fed nothing but bh mix to discus for a very,very long time. The food is not causing that defect. Back in the day I did not see the problem near as much as I do now. Lots of breeders started breeding mainly for color instead of shape. That is why we are seeing so many poorly made fish.

-john

[jaykne]

No disrespect intended here but I have been reading through this thread and just wanted to point out this thread 4th fish, Class 4 Red spotted snakeskin winner and also Grandchampion. Now this fish has a Bull Dog look and a weak chin so why would he place so high? IMO these guys would be the experts when it comes to judging fish.
http://www.discus.com.my/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=817

[yim11]

LOL, weak competition is normally the answer. Round fish would have beat it.

[Eddie]

LOL, weak competition is normally the answer. Round fish would have beat it.

+1, and depending on the judge panel, some like that high body look. Also, size seems to be a big player. If the fish is gigantic, they look past the weak chin and any other shape issues. When I was judging in Malaysia, the grand champion was a ring leopard that I did not grade well due to the same shape issues.

[sandy]

I have always found discus with a "touch" of a high body qualitie to be attractive, as long as it is not taken to extremes, bulldogs I really don't care for, looks like they ran into the side of the tank at 90 miles an hour.

Rick

Good one :thumbup:

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[John_Nicholson]

No disrespect intended here but I have been reading through this thread and just wanted to point out this thread 4th fish, Class 4 Red spotted snakeskin winner and also Grandchampion. Now this fish has a Bull Dog look and a weak chin so why would he place so high? IMO these guys would be the experts when it comes to judging fish.
http://www.discus.com.my/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=817

Pm sent.

-john

[SoCalDiscus.com]

No disrespect intended here but I have been reading through this thread and just wanted to point out this thread 4th fish, Class 4 Red spotted snakeskin winner and also Grandchampion. Now this fish has a Bull Dog look and a weak chin so why would he place so high? IMO these guys would be the experts when it comes to judging fish.
http://www.discus.com.my/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=817

They didn't classify it as a bull dog either so it may have a bit bigger head however compared to the photos I've seen on what is known as the bull dog now, I don't see the comparison. That definitely is a good looking fish as was all those in that thread. Nothing that looked close to those bull dogs I've seen for sale online though.

[SoCalDiscus.com]

Yes john is correct
There are highbody fish but not from bulldog such as the Altum flora strain.

The quality Bulldog gene
mostly only breeders can appreciate
as they are and can produce Show and grandchampion fish


These fish have the tall bdog gene

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u237/dexchung/aquafiesta/DexterLeopard-SpottedA.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u237/dexchung/aquafiesta/IMG_6413.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u237/dexchung/Oct%2023%202011/IMG_3384.jpg

That definitly rolls back to my original question prior to seeing photos on Google, on aquabid and other locations of a bull dog for sale when I "thought" it might be the same as a HiFin Discus. From what I've seen, you can't compare the hifin to a bull dog but just my opinion.