Cuipeua in the 230...New Breeding Project.

[Second Hand Pat]

The Cuipeua finally make it to the big tank...now we shall see if I am worth my salt

Group shots

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[Second Hand Pat]

Their color is already better without the blackground...

Love this fish.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0513.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0504.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

and some others
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0502.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0501.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0499.jpg

I suspect I have two males in this group, the one on the right is one of them.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0498.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

You will notice marks on a couple of them, this is from the catching. I need to work on this.

[Eddie]

Nice fish Pat. I like that last picture, the suspected male.

[Discus Origins]

Looks awesome Pat, lets hope the magic stays in this tank :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice fish Pat. I like that last picture, the suspected male.

Thanks Eddie, he is a big boy Eddie. One of the four that came from Hudson.

[Second Hand Pat]

Looks awesome Pat, lets hope the magic stays in this tank :)

Crossing fingers Mark...thinking February time-frame...sound familiar?

[Discus Origins]

Lol yes it does ;)

[Discus-n00b]

Go Pat go, such a nice collection. Mine hasn't turned out as nice. I need to be more devoted going forward, got a little lax with my collection and its shown. Tank problems, pH crashes, having to leave multiple times a month, user error.....I'm locked in now. Ready to see what this wild season offers.

[Trier20]

Great group Pat! Good luck with the project!

[Poco]

Beautiful collection! Good luck with the breeding.

[bonsai dave]

They are looking Great Pat. Keep up the good work. How many do you have in that tank now ?

[DiscusBR]

Gorgeous Cuipeuas and exciting news about the beginning of the breeding project :bounce: Good luck!

[Joe]

Very nice looking!!

Joe

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Awesome looking Cuipeua Pat. You done yourself proud as they are beautiful.

I hope your breeding program will be successful.

Is it me or my imagination but do I see a thick center bar on a couple? Is there Heckel blood running through them at some point in the spawning cycle of the Cuipeua?

[Second Hand Pat]

Lol yes it does ;)

:o


Go Pat go, such a nice collection. Mine hasn't turned out as nice. I need to be more devoted going forward, got a little lax with my collection and its shown. Tank problems, pH crashes, having to leave multiple times a month, user error.....I'm locked in now. Ready to see what this wild season offers.

Matt, take good care of those Cuipeua based fish. If I recall correctly collection of Cuipeua has not been approved for this year (Mark, correct me if wrong). I did the same early in the year with this group with not keeping up with WCs when the Tefe were breeding like mad. Me bad but like you fully engaged now.

[Second Hand Pat]

Great group Pat! Good luck with the project!

Thanks Brandon, with wilds I am going to need it.


Beautiful collection! Good luck with the breeding.

Thanks Babar, appreciate it. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking Great Pat. Keep up the good work. How many do you have in that tank now ?

Thanks Dave, currently there are nine adult Cuipeua in this tank which is 230 gallons. I will be adding the my Cuipeua F1 growouts and one adult Cura which will give me 15 fish total in this tank.

[Second Hand Pat]

Gorgeous Cuipeuas and exciting news about the beginning of the breeding project :bounce: Good luck!

You are part of my inspiration Mauro so you get partial blame :o

[Second Hand Pat]

Very nice looking!!

Joe

Thank you Joe.


Awesome looking Cuipeua Pat. You done yourself proud as they are beautiful.

I hope your breeding program will be successful.

Is it me or my imagination but do I see a thick center bar on a couple? Is there Heckel blood running through them at some point in the spawning cycle of the Cuipeua?

Thanks Jeff, yes most of the solid based ones have a centerbar, some thicker then others. I have no clue about being heckel based or not. Perhaps Mark or others may know.

[plecocicho]

Pat, If i remember correctly Hudson said that Cuipea was not closed, but i could also misread it.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, If i remember correctly Hudson said that Cuipea was not closed, but i could also misread it.

I hope you are right. :)

[Discus Origins]

Thanks Jeff, yes most of the solid based ones have a centerbar, some thicker then others. I have no clue about being heckel based or not. Perhaps Mark or others may know.

As far as I know, the 5th bar in some of the alenquer region reds has been a normal trait - especially in the Ica region, thus sometimes called the Ica type. There has never been an heckel found in the alenquer region according to Bleher but who knows what happens during flood season.


Pat, If i remember correctly Hudson said that Cuipea was not closed, but i could also misread it.

Lago Cuipeua is still closed by IBAMA according to my latest update from Brazilian suppliers, anyone posting Cuipeua for sale currently is either labelling Alenquer region fish incorrectly to sell for a premium or were collected last season. Hudson is not the only one allowed to fish for discus in Brazil ;)

[Dogvet06]

They look great! Love the color on that pic of your suspected male!

[YSS]

Looking good. Best of luck, Pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

They look great! Love the color on that pic of your suspected male!


Looking good. Best of luck, Pat!

Thanks Jaimie and Yun.

These guys looked awesome this morning and are settling in well. Their color is spot up and little to no bars showing due I'm sure to the natural background in this tank. I will post a video tonight if I can get a decent one.

[Second Hand Pat]

A video from tonight. There are a few marks where I netted them to move them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-6E3O41v5o

[Dogvet06]

Ok I think I changed my mind.... These r my new fav wild!

[Second Hand Pat]

Ok I think I changed my mind.... These r my new fav wild!

or a little of both lol. :D

[oldfar]

Great looking fish great looking pics nice camera.How big are these guys just wondering.

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Paul, the solid and centerbars are about 5 1/2 inches and there are two suspected males who are maybe an inch longer so 6 inches or so. Not huge but nice.
Pat

[oldfar]

Very nice indeed you shroud be so proud 6" lovely discus.

[Second Hand Pat]

I am Paul but I bought them that size lol.

[Second Hand Pat]

You guys aren't going to believe this but have two Cuipeua bowing in the big tank...woohoo.

[Discus-n00b]

Wow Pat, whats your water like again? LOL Congrats I hope you get eggs!! Is it a Royal and a Plain center bar? Just curious if there might be any truth to the rumor that one sex is usually more royal.

[Discus Origins]

I believe it Pat, that 230 has the mojo in it :)

[Len]

A big congratulations Pat! I excited for you.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks guys, uploading a video now. Mark, this the big Hudson male and one of the Hudson solids with the slight centerbar but it was sold as a solid. The "female" looks a bit beatup and is the one shimmying.

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow Pat, whats your water like again? LOL Congrats I hope you get eggs!! Is it a Royal and a Plain center bar? Just curious if there might be any truth to the rumor that one sex is usually more royal.

Yes Matt, exactly correct.

[Second Hand Pat]

23 minutes on the upload

[Len]

Pat, do you upload directly from your camera? If so, I find it goes a lot faster if I put the videos on my pc first and then upload from there.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, do you upload directly from your camera? If so, I find it goes a lot faster if I put the videos on my pc first and then upload from there.

No Len, I copy to the computer first. The video's out of this camera are HD so big.

[Second Hand Pat]

Ok guys, note the dark tails.


http://youtu.be/6R-AjtFr2-A

[Len]

Nice Pat, they are definitely considering it :) Nice black tails, and I especially note the one on the far left showing the back 4 bars more prominently. I'd be curious to know if they turn their bars white when defending their chosen territory against intruders. Mine do that, but I don't know if it's just a quirk with them or if it's normal behaviour.

[Second Hand Pat]

I will definitely be watching tomorrow. Assuming the solid is the female and the semi-royal is the male seems like the female is taking the lead here. I absolutely did not expect any action this soon. Nandi said they would be easy but I didn't believe it.

[DiscusBR]

Wow, that was quick :) Looking good, Pat. Good luck!

[plecocicho]

Len invertd bars (white bars) are singns of dominance and c,ear sign for the horizontal, eee vertical dance. Pat,if you succed, you know whats your next move right? Blehead heckels :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow, that was quick :) Looking good, Pat. Good luck!

Mauro, I am not ready for these guys to spawn yet but I said that about the Tefe's. Fish are acting just hungry this morning. Tail is still dark on the one solid. Neither suspected (2) males seems too interested.


Len invertd bars (white bars) are singns of dominance and c,ear sign for the horizontal, eee vertical dance. Pat,if you succed, you know whats your next move right? Blehead heckels :)

Thanks plecocicho, I will need to get way more technical to tackle heckels...but a thought :o

[Second Hand Pat]

These guys have been settling very nicely into this tank over a week now even to the point of having some pre-spawning behavior. The upper most fish left side is the suspected female and look how red that eye is. In person that is one red hot eye.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0681_zps6ccfed66.jpg

All the fish are coloring up and looking more red. This is the only golden eye in the group and shows nicely in this picture.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0678_zps832d3fbe.jpg

Other single shots

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http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0669_zpsed7d0db9.jpg

This centerbar is getting quite bossy

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0668_zps841b1c25.jpg

Suspected female

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http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0676_zps080d1464.jpg

Suspect male

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0667_zps1db3bac5.jpg

[Discus-n00b]

Pat that first picture is outstanding. Wow am I jealous. I need to redo my tank and update my stock.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat that first picture is outstanding. Wow am I jealous. I need to redo my tank and update my stock.

Thanks Matt, only half the tank looks good. I am in the middle of a re-scape. The fish are looking killer in this tank.

[joanstone]

"The fish are looking killer in this tank" is an understatement. Beautiful!

[plecocicho]

I have read a great article considering stres in discus aquarium in diskus brief. In it author Roland Fischer (biologist and discus breeder) diveded natural history of wild discus in different stages depending on the age of the discus and season. Your tank mimics the breeding stage, when wild discus pairs move from colony lifestyle in wooded sores to the breeding groups in the flooded forest. Your setup mimics this habitat in that your tank is large, preattty high, roots are positioned so, that they mark breeding territories of the flooded forest and last but not least, small stock mimics group lifestyle. Nandi/Kiska uses the same strategy with his tank. I wiill write more about this naother day.

[Dogvet06]

Gorgeous. I hope my new led makes my colors pop like that. Arrives Friday!

[DiscusBR]

Gorgeous pics of a gorgeous group of fish. Looking amazing, Pat. Any breeding cones in the tank? Keep us posted.

[Second Hand Pat]

"The fish are looking killer in this tank" is an understatement. Beautiful!

Thanks joanstone, you should see them in person. They are "to die" for. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

I have read a great article considering stres in discus aquarium in diskus brief. In it author Roland Fischer (biologist and discus breeder) diveded natural history of wild discus in different stages depending on the age of the discus and season. Your tank mimics the breeding stage, when wild discus pairs move from colony lifestyle in wooded sores to the breeding groups in the flooded forest. Your setup mimics this habitat in that your tank is large, preattty high, roots are positioned so, that they mark breeding territories of the flooded forest and last but not least, small stock mimics group lifestyle. Nandi/Kiska uses the same strategy with his tank. I wiill write more about this naother day.

Plecocicho, Nandi is one of my wilds mentors and yes am mimicking his approach with his wild Xingu as Andras does to. I would love to hear more when you have the time.

[Second Hand Pat]

Gorgeous. I hope my new led makes my colors pop like that. Arrives Friday!

Jaimie, which LED did you get?

[Second Hand Pat]

Gorgeous pics of a gorgeous group of fish. Looking amazing, Pat. Any breeding cones in the tank? Keep us posted.

Thanks Mauro, I do not. You think I should add one? The Tefe's never did use one so I removed it.

[Dogvet06]

Jaimie, which LED did you get?

I was going to get the same as u but its discontinued so I got the marine land double bright. It was on sale for 100$ so we shall see ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

Me too Jaimie.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

They are looking fantastic Pat!!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking fantastic Pat!!!!

Thanks Kraig, I am really happy with them. Hope you are well tonight.

[DiscusBR]

Thanks Mauro, I do not. You think I should add one? The Tefe's never did use one so I removed it.

My first Cuipeua pair lay eggs only in the breeding cone. The second pair laid two batches of eggs in the driftwook, but then concentrated in the other cone. So I guess it helps.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Mauro, they were cleaning wood last night at bed time. The male seems uncommitted and the female was shimmying like crazy.

[Second Hand Pat]

So seeing an uncommitted male is odd to me so I went back and reviewed Mark (Discus Origins) Cuipeua spawn February of this year and sure enough Mark had the same observation.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?94307-Cuipeua-Spawn-2-15-12&highlight=Cuipeua

So I consulted a fellow wilds keeper and mentioned this situation with the Cuipeua and he suggested adding more fish or a bossy male. Point is to create a little conflict to have the male of the pair defend his site and cement the pair. He also suggested allowing the pair to have their first spawn in a busy environment before moving them to their own tank. So I am considering adding the Cuipeua F1s as the one little royal is quite pushy.

[Second Hand Pat]

An interesting development. The suspected male is actually shimmying with a different suspect female. Actually they are shimmying with each other and pushing other fish away. Nothing like a little Christmas love. Should be able to get a video up later.

[joanstone]

Actually, I'm going to probably be in your neck of the woods in a couple of months-would love to see them in person.

[Second Hand Pat]

Actually, I'm going to probably be in your neck of the woods in a couple of months-would love to see them in person.

Welcome anytime. At this rate may even have babies.

[Second Hand Pat]

New pair

Same male as before
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0832_zpscb77bf71.jpg

Female
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0830_zps4deed476.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0828_zpsa99484b4.jpg

Male foreground, female background
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0837_zps0e5ccc3e.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

Second pairing video. I did not get the male shimmying in this video.


http://youtu.be/IsuuIofOSYI

[DiscusBR]

Looking good :) Beautiful couple and promissing moves.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Mauro, I like this pairing very much.

[Second Hand Pat]

Two more short clips.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bsZ5lg9D5U&list=UUaeXQ_wwjMmbU52-KYBqNJg&index=3

[Second Hand Pat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAVn5jAMZKI&list=UUaeXQ_wwjMmbU52-KYBqNJg&index=2

[Second Hand Pat]

The love juices in this tank are going nuts. All the females are turning red.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0869_zps3450120e.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0867_zps2cf49a72.jpg

[Second Hand Pat]

More love sign


http://youtu.be/2fBX_hR0cVQ

[Eddie]

Love juices....SMH, this is supposed to be a PG forum. LMAO

[Second Hand Pat]

Love juices....SMH, this is supposed to be a PG forum. LMAO

Maybe little a tab of 13 mixed in. :p

[Eddie]

Maybe little a tab of 13 mixed in. :p

LMAO...hahahaha. Nice looking fish Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Eddie, this group is more fun then the Tefe with multiple females vying for the same male.

[Second Hand Pat]

More red females

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0975_zps6de65ad0.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0973_zpscf525309.jpg

[Discus-n00b]

You should be very proud Pat. Not only are you amassing a great wild collection but you are getting better and better with that camera. I might need to find me some royals this wild season, see if I can get lucky with a male.

[Second Hand Pat]

You should be very proud Pat. Not only are you amassing a great wild collection but you are getting better and better with that camera. I might need to find me some royals this wild season, see if I can get lucky with a male.

Thank you Matt. Finding the royals might be hard since they are not exporting Cuipeua currently but a close cousin might work.

[Second Hand Pat]

With a breeding couple in the tank seems like there is lots of red in the tank.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Cuipeua%20Christmas%20Spawn/DSC_1208_zpse87e1b4d.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Cuipeua%20Christmas%20Spawn/DSC_1196_zps5c67a6f5.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Cuipeua%20Christmas%20Spawn/DSC_1192_zps4cf60e2e.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Cuipeua%20Christmas%20Spawn/DSC_1175_zps11842db2.jpg

Mom
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Cuipeua%20Christmas%20Spawn/DSC_1181_zpsfe99141d.jpg

[Dogvet06]

Love the red :)


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[D/I/S/C/U/S]

they are beautiful, looking at this makes me miss my wild soo much -.-

[Second Hand Pat]

Love the red :)


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Me too Jaimie :D


they are beautiful, looking at this makes me miss my wild soo much -.-

I bet you do miss them. They have so much to offer :)

[Second Hand Pat]

This video is an experiment using the Nikon. It takes awesome video but I have to manual focus so please bare with me.


http://youtu.be/VP7Y0fItlYE

[Second Hand Pat]

Waiting for the second spawn to commense but first the female must decide...where.

[Second Hand Pat]

Bingo, round two. This time I am ready :)

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Cuipeua%20Christmas%20Spawn/DSC_1297_zps68ea2b5d.jpg

[Dogvet06]

Looks like another large batch! Did u count them yet?


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[Second Hand Pat]

Jaimie, this is the only clear picture I have of them and the eggs wrap around the wood. I need to try the zoom lens and get a closer shot but it is a lot of eggs.

[Dogvet06]

I just realized there r two snails in that pic. Do they harm the eggs at all?


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[Second Hand Pat]

Don't seem too. I need to run a flub treatment in the tank but at a later time.

[Poco]

Another huge spawn. You are the Queen of the wilds :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Another huge spawn. You are the Queen of the wilds :)

Not really Babar but thanks :)

[Second Hand Pat]

I pulled the current spawn of fry from the 230 to their own fry tank and removed the divider. A few interesting observations is the separation of the two males seems to have turned on the non-breeding male. He is lip locking with the breeding male and defending his "now" corner of the tank. Will he pair up??...time will tell.

Also the pair is cleaning a spot on the wood.

[timmy82]

Bingo, round two. This time I am ready :)

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/Wild%20Cuipeua%20Christmas%20Spawn/DSC_1297_zps68ea2b5d.jpg

Very nice would say over 200. Love the wilds got 6 Alnquer Reds last week not 100% sure on their back ground but they look like a nice base to work with hopefully. You lucky over their to have close access to such great Discus.

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Timmy, the spawn I pulled out only numbered 18. My fault for not sealing the divider tight enough. That spawn is documented here if you want to take a read through. Congrats on your group of Alenquer reds.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?102762-Wild-Red-Cuipeua

[Second Hand Pat]

As some of you may know I have a batch of seven week fry from the Cuipeua pair. The fry are in their own tank. When prepping the fry to be moving I did my WCs in all tap water (vs a tap/RO mix) to bring the TDS to near tap TDS. I was hoping to turn the pair off from more breeding. Nope, didn't work. The pair laid again yesterday sometime. So yes, wilds will breed in tap water :crazy:

[Chad Hughes]

Another myth busted!

Nice job Pat! :)

[DiscusBR]

So yes, wilds will breed in tap water :crazy:

Nope, wrong conclusion. The correct one is: wilds will breed under Pat´s care no matter the water parameters :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks guys but will the eggs hatch? GH is about 161 ppm.

[Chad Hughes]

Nope, wrong conclusion. The correct one is: wilds will breed under Pat´s care no matter the water parameters :)

LOL! May be so...


Thanks guys but will the eggs hatch? GH is about 161 ppm.

Pat,

All depends on WHAT makes up your GH. Certain minerals seems to have a negative impact on spawns, calcium being one of them. Curious what your water report says about the mount of calcite, gypsum and magnesium is in your water. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Chad, I am on a well so would have to have the testing done. I can only tell you it tested as "potable" 10 years ago when we moved into the house. I can tell you that I do not have iron as I tested that about two years ago.

[Chad Hughes]

I didn't know you were on a well.... Yeah, probably not worth investing a bunch of testing in to be honest. It has to be potable if wild discus spawn in it. LOL! :D

[Second Hand Pat]

I didn't know you were on a well.... Yeah, probably not worth investing a bunch of testing in to be honest. It has to be potable if wild discus spawn in it. LOL! :D

and since I drink it, it better be potable. LOL

[Chad Hughes]

Any recent bouts of dysentery? LOL!

I'm sure you're good Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

Nope Chad, all good :D

[DiscusLoverJeff]

They say well water makes great moonshine!

Sorry a bit off topic, or is it? Lol

[DiscusLoverJeff]

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[Second Hand Pat]

Jeff, I can only tell you that I do not have a still in the back 40. :D...but then Al was talking about wanting to taste some honeymead.

[Second Hand Pat]

So we had a small hatch yesterday with about a dozen white eggs. Usually get four to six white eggs so this is a bit higher. I do not see many wigglers so suspecting a lower hatch rate also.

[strawberryblonde]

What a cool little "experiment", huh Pat? I mean, you didn't set out to see if they could breed in your tap water, but by golly, you're learning new stuff that will help the rest of us who want to breed....breed fish that is.

[Second Hand Pat]

I think so Toni and curious to see how far they get. I expect attachment and then the parents eating the fry from the stress of defending them from the rest of the wilds.

[Second Hand Pat]

As you might know I have my whole house on my tap or well water and the Cuipeua pair tried to spawn in it about three times and finally quit. Everytime I do a WC the pair go to their spawning spot and stare at the wood for a day or so. This weekend I am returning to my RO/tap mix and I bet the Cuipeua pair resume breeding.

The spawn I pulled from this pair in March is doing very well and many in the spawn are three inches or so.

[DiscusBR]

As you might know I have my whole house on my tap or well water and the Cuipeua pair tried to spawn in it about three times and finally quit. Everytime I do a WC the pair go to their spawning spot and stare at the wood for a day or so. This weekend I am returning to my RO/tap mix and I bet the Cuipeua pair resume breeding.

The spawn I pulled from this pair in March is doing very well and many in the spawn are three inches or so.

Great, Pat. Keep us posted. We love to see your Cuipeuas in action.

My Cuipeua pair, the only fish left in my 80g, spawned again yesterday. The last two spawn did not go anywhere becasue, I assume, there were other fish in the tank. The fry might attach this time, will see...

[Second Hand Pat]

Crossing fingers for you Mauro for a successful attachment.

[DiscusBR]

Crossing fingers for you Mauro for a successful attachment.

Thank you. So, are you switching back to RO/tap mix because you want to raise another batch of Cuipeua fry?

[Second Hand Pat]

Not really. I just think the wild fish are happier in softer water and I did want to prep the tefes for spawning.

[Second Hand Pat]

Lots of black tails in the big tank. Looks like old amber eye is a male.

[musicmarn1]

Absolutely mind bogglingly BEAUTIFUL Pat !!!! yep this is the number one wild for me right now, i cant WAIT to follow this thread avidly, those colors !! what an amazing job you have done with them, i have my used 250 waiting to set up slowly slowly and by this time next year i hope to have something in there of my own !! with threads like these to guide us we might just make it

[Second Hand Pat]

Marnie, what are the dimensions of your 250? This 230 is 72 in x 24 in x 30 in tall.

[Second Hand Pat]

Possible new pair forming...note the dark tails.

This just may be a male.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_3352_zpsea17f569.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_3352_zpsea17f569.jpg.html)

Female
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_3357_zps502e5e53.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_3357_zps502e5e53.jpg.html)

Both...did not frame this up to good.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_3354_zps1479ceee.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_3354_zps1479ceee.jpg.html)

Breeding female right, new possible female left
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_3358_zpsb2cb3ea8.jpg (http://s925.photobucket.com/user/Second_Hand_Pat/media/DSC_3358_zpsb2cb3ea8.jpg.html)

[marinum]

coupled with excellent, expect small tails

[Pardal]

Awesome!!! fish Pat, Love the possible Male striations and brilliant halo edge, and those posible girls as ussually showing more red.

Julian.

[j0onahra3]

Any updates on this? Got curious and thought I'd ask :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Nothing going on at the moment. I am conditioning the fish for a hofeful busy February :)

[dirtyplants]

coupled with excellent, expect small tails
What is wrong with small tails?
Black tails mean?