Friends raising a single batch of Red Turqs, a group experiment.

[roclement]

Hello everyone!

Recently a bunch of us were lucky enough to get some baby red turqs from Rich T, a member here that has some of the nicest Piwowarsky Red Turqs around! Since almost, if not all of the babies went to members here, we tough it would be fun and informative if all of us posted about the growth and development of the fish under our care, each using our personal fish keeping methods, thus giving people a chance to see them develop under different conditions.

This is very much in the spirit of the original discus challenge, where everyone got fish from the same parents, and brood, with the only variation being the attention they receive while under the care of the various keepers involved.

To the best of my knowledge, the members who got fish from Rich are Ashay, Jim G., Peter, Al, Rich kept some for himself, and me. A nice sampling of members, and discus keeping methods!

This is not a contest, no winners or loosers, just friends posting about their fish, and hopefully a look at many different approaches to raising fish, and what they turn out to be like in the future. There is no end date, and no rules, just fun! I am inviting all the people mentioned above to post their personal set-up information, and husbandry practices, along with fish data.

Everyone is welcomed to ask questions at will, please direct them to a specific keeper, or to the group as a whole if you choose. Most of all, let's have fun with this! Rich produced some of the nicest babies for us to raise, let's try to do them justice!

Rich, can you please post parent data, as well as free-swiming date?

My set-up:

30 fish, in the spirit of the contest, I will not cull any of them intentionally so we can see how they all turn out. Size varies from almost 3 inches to 2 ¼ inches; average is around 2.5 inches.

Water: NJ Tap juice! 7.5 pH and 300µS/cm out of the tap.

90gal bare bottom tank, filtration handled by 2 moving bed bottle filters (Thanks Josie), 90% daily water changes straight from tap using SAFE. Temperature at 84 degrees maintained by 2 Sera heaters. Tank is located in the living room, a high traffic area.

Feeding: Up to 6 times a day using Beefheart Flakes with Pro Grow, and Freeze Dried Blackworms. I feed them directly and with an Enheim auto-feeder. Once a week they get some frozen bloodworms since I have them laying around here.

Photos 02/20/13:

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Hope everyone enjoys this thread!

Rodrigo

[roclement]

Everyone's Stats so far:


Rod's Set-up:
30 fish, in the spirit of the contest, I will not cull any of them intentionally so we can see how they all turn out. Size varies from almost 3 inches to 2 ¼ inches; average is around 2.5 inches.
Water: NJ Tap juice! 7.5 pH and 300µS/cm out of the tap.
90gal bare bottom tank, filtration handled by 2 moving bed bottle filters (Thanks Josie), 90% daily water changes straight from tap using SAFE. Temperature at 84 degrees maintained by 2 Sera heaters. Tank is located in the living room, a high traffic area.
Feeding: Up to 6 times a day using Beefheart Flakes with Pro Grow, and Freeze Dried Blackworms. I feed them directly and with an Enheim auto-feeder. Once a week they get some frozen bloodworms since I have them laying around here.


Peter (PAR23):
8 juvies 2.5-3" (guesstamation) in 40G breeder BB tank.
1 Jager heater
1 AC 70 filter
1 Airstone
Straight Long Island tap water aged and heated to 82F. Treated with Safe. TDS 90-100. pH 8.0 (after aging)--mainly kH which is 5-6.
2 90% WCs a day
Wipe down 2X a week
Mainly 3 feedings a day with BH/Seafood mix (compliments of Al)--Occassional flake/FDBW in between.


Rich T:
I used a 50 gal tank for this spawn
Free swimming 11/21/12.
BBS started 11/26/12. Their main food was BBS for 4 weeks. They literally swam with BBS 24/7 for that period. During this time I introduced them to my seafood mix, Discus Bio-gold and Hi-Pro Growth flake from Angelplus. Currently the get seafood mix 2x daily and the flakes to wash down the seafood.
All this time I did twice daily 80% water with 12hr aged tap water. No declor. I use a matrix carbon filter.
Temp 82 F
PH 7.2
TDS~ 100
The rest ain't got a clue.
I picked 10 and tossed them in a 29 before they all went bye-bye.
Conditions and feed hasn't changed still 2x daily water changes I can't get out of the habit.
Most are pushing 3in +


JimG:
I have 8 of them now in a 29 bb, ac 50, sera 125w, airstone.
water is tap/ro mix with 1/16tsp safe. 400us, ph 7.5, kh 5, gh 4. temp 84. my water changes as I am in the middle of the reservoir and catskill aqueduct so sometimes 70us sometimes 450+us hence why I use ro/tap, at least I can keep changes close.
wc 95% 1X a day aged water. My tap is run through carbon,1 micron and uv.
feed, sera discus granules in am. bh/pro growth flake in auto feeder 3x a day, fdblkw or super veggie kelp flakes 1x after auto feeding, rich's sea food mix at end of day before wc.
I had 9 all are about 1.75". I culled one it was dark and darting, scoped found 0 parasites,worms or protists but overstuffed intestines with sea food mix. I believe a larger piece of spinach blocked intestines and it was a matter of days before bacteria set in and bloating. I will be taking all spinach out of any feeds from now on. These fish eat like pigs. I just think one over did it but spinach does not seem to digest well in them anyway.


Al:
6 fish
I initially had placed them in a 29 Gal tank, but then opted to move them to a 55gal. Currently they are in a bare bottom 55 gal tank. I am running 2 cycled sponge filters...no power filters at this time. temp 84-85F. 50-75% water changes per day. Foods.. Beefheart seafood mix, Freeze dried Australian Blackworms (feedings 3-4 times a day).
My water is well water, aged, pH 7.6-7.8

Ashay:
6 fish
It's great in a first place to acquire fish home bred by a dear friend, meet up with another great buddy and then be part of this fun exercise that allow us to compare notes and enjoy.
In the spirit of theme, I acquired 6 fish about 2" in size. Unlike my plans earlier, they are in a 29g tank.

Water parameters :
PH from the tap : around 5
Ppm : around 85

Food: FDBW with Pro Growth
Sea food mix (salmon +cod + shrimp ). I remember old friend Sriangel said Wayne Ng calls this seafood burger mix

Water changes : I have done a good job past week of doing 35-40% water change all week since I acquired them.

Challenges :

Irregular feeding intervals on weekdays
On weekdays - I feed the fish the seafood mix before I leave home around 7:30am. At times wife feeds them in between but when my older son comes I have a deal with him to feed every 2 hrs on the clock after he enters the home. What he wants in return is a camera for himself (BTW he is 10 yrs old) and now I have a new entry in a list he tagged with his younger brother (5 yrs) and they both want a hamster
When I get home, I do a water change and feed them one more time to make sure they all are eating
This brings to challenge #2
Aging Water
As u saw water from tap is great but very high on chlorine and dissolved gases. I found our water department changes water reservoirs mid winter to spring and that this new reservoir after shift has some treatment early part. Point in time, I don't age water.
I have noticed these smaller fish get impacted negatively for first 2 hrs after the water change. Second day when I did a water change, they all turned dark. I was shocked. I am not sure what you guys do Rod, Jim, Pete and especially Rich, but it looks like for the spirit of these fish I will be forced to invest in 20g water storage to age water.
Any of your observations friends on these?

Now here is my second hypothesis. I have also got 5 blue knights from dear friends The Jersey Boyz - Rod 'n Bob. My goal is all remain the same, see how great these 2 fish from 2 great breeders grow. Again, point to mention here is these fish after a water change ( they are in a 55g - because feeding is on 2 tanks, kids have bumped their deal to 2 things I guess) on blue knights tank - they are whistling and giggling. No impact what so ever. Again, water change, aging of water is directly related to age of the fish and its so true.

[yim11]

This is great! Really looking forward to seeing all the different grow out methods and results!

Thanks!
-jim

[roclement]

This is great! Really looking forward to seeing all the different grow out methods and results!

Thanks!
-jim

Thanks Jim! I believe there is enough variety of keepers involved! Should be fun!

Rodrigo

[PAR23]

Great idea Rod. I was going to keep the thread I started 2 weeks ago with recent updates but this brings all of us who were lucky enough to obtain some of the juvies into one common thread. Comparing our different methods should be very interesting and informative not to mention just FUN. Thanks Rich for providing us with such beautiful fish.......

My stats:
8 juvies 2.5-3" (guesstamation) in 40G breeder BB tank.
1 Jager heater
1 AC 70 filter
1 Airstone
Straight Long Island tap water aged and heated to 82F. Treated with Safe. TDS 90-100. pH 8.0 (after aging)--mainly kH which is 5-6.
2 90% WCs a day
Wipe down 2X a week
Mainly 3 feedings a day with BH/Seafood mix (compliments of Al)--Occassional flake/FDBW in between.

The following pics were taken on 2/4/13 (I think they were around 7 weeks old at this point)

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/PAR23/Baby%20Piwows/DSC_0151_zpsb9ac35dd.jpg

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/PAR23/Baby%20Piwows/DSC_0148_zps9e453187.jpg

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[PAR23]

I will update pics this week

[SMB2]

This looks great. When all the participants post, it would be great to have a single post with a brief cart with each method side by side so we can go back to that single post as the weeks go by for comparison. Instead of trying to track back to each grower. Thanks for starting this.

[roclement]

Nice Peter! Welcome to the thread!

Rodrigo

[roclement]

This looks great. When all the participants post, it would be great to have a single post with a brief cart with each method side by side so we can go back to that single post as the weeks go by for comparison. Instead of trying to track back to each grower. Thanks for starting this.

Thanks Stan! Love your sig by the way!

Rodrigo

[Second Hand Pat]

This will be fun and I will learn a lot :D

[PAR23]

Nice Peter! Welcome to the thread!

Rodrigo

Thank you. Good to be here. Very excited to take part in it.......

[joeandmeagan]

That Laboratory is bringing out some really awesome threads! Thanks guys this will be a lot of fun to!

[ashaysathe]

Awesome.. I will be posting photos soon. I have ordered the camera but fish got in sooner than the camera ;)


Cheers - photos coming up soon

[ashaysathe]

Awesome.. I will be posting photos soon. I have ordered the camera but fish got in sooner than the camera ;)

Cheers - photos coming up soon and all other details.

[roclement]

Awesome.. I will be posting photos soon. I have ordered the camera but fish got in sooner than the camera ;)

Cheers - photos coming up soon and all other details.

Shayness, you can start with your tank stats, etc if you want! Welcome aboard, don't be a stranger!!!

Rodrigo

[Larry Bugg]

Excellent idea Rod. I am really looking forward to the updates. In particular I'm interested to see if you all experience that great Piwo growth rate. Dang I want some Piwo's.......

[RichT]

Rodrigo thanks for starting this thread. It will be great to see pictures on a regular basis and most of all we get to see the different patterns develop.

The parents:
Dad on the left
http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/Piwo%20Red%20Turk%20Update/28-IMGP1342.jpg

Mom
http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1430-1.jpg

I'll see if I can dig up another picture later.

Neither one I would consider a straight line Piwo but that's the fun. To see what developes. What's in the genes!!

If you notice the males dorsal it looks like it has been trimmed. Genetic defect or what I don't know. It's always been that way. I haven seen any of the fry with it.

I used a 50 gal tank for this spawn
Free swimming 11/21/12.

BBS started 11/26/12. Their main food was BBS for 4 weeks. They literally swam with BBS 24/7 for that period. During this time I introduced them to my seafood mix, Discus Bio-gold and Hi-Pro Growth flake from Angelplus. Currently the get seafood mix 2x daily and the flakes to wash down the seafood.

All this time I did twice daily 80% water with 12hr aged tap water. No declor. I use a matrix carbon filter.

Temp 82 F
PH 7.2
TDS~ 100
The rest ain't got a clue.

I picked 10 and tossed them in a 29 before they all went bye-bye.
Conditions and feed hasn't changed still 2x daily water changes I can't get out of the habit.
Most are pushing 3in +

A few pictures from 02/17/13

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/F1%20Update%203%20Mo/IMGP1726_zps12e183c6.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/F1%20Update%203%20Mo/IMGP1738_zps392bdc18.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/F1%20Update%203%20Mo/IMGP1740_zps6065e8f1.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/F1%20Update%203%20Mo/IMGP1732_zpscaff3fee.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/F1%20Update%203%20Mo/IMGP1726_zps12e183c6.jpg

[RichT]

Excellent idea Rod. I am really looking forward to the updates. In particular I'm interested to see if you all experience that great Piwo growth rate. Dang I want some Piwo's.......

Larry
I believe under Alex's top conditions and feed he can achieve 1 in + per month growth easily.

[Wes]

The parents look great. Looking forward to following this thread.

[roclement]

WelcomeRich!

So, the bigger ones are at around 3 inches 3 months in...not bad at all!

Rodrigo

[RichT]

WelcomeRich!

So, the bigger ones are at around 3 inches 3 months in...not bad at all!

Rodrigo

Gotta think of a bigger tank real soon. Maybe a 90 is in my future. I guess the rabbit may get a new location!

[dadecountyalan]

wow rodrigo, you could already tell those fry are going to be amazing. im sure your going to get some amazing turqs


rich t,

those red turqs you have are beautifull. they may not be straightline but they are amazing, i dont see pairs to often that i like both mom and dad equally. great fish.



p.s
is their anyway i can subscribe to this thread?

[discusplantedtanklover]

Please keep pics coming weekly,thanks.

[roclement]

wow rodrigo, you could already tell those fry are going to be amazing. im sure your going to get some amazing turqs


rich t,

those red turqs you have are beautifull. they may not be straightline but they are amazing, i dont see pairs to often that i like both mom and dad equally. great fish.



p.s
is their anyway i can subscribe to this thread?

Thanks! It will be interesting since I got 30 of these fish, I think I will have the widest variation of size and quality in the group, like I mentioned before, I will not cull any fish so we can see how they all turn out!

To subscribe to a thread, go back to the top of the page and check the "thread tools" on the right side of the first post of the page.

Rodrigo

[Second Hand Pat]

Rodrigo, is everyone starting with a group of 30? Is no culling a personal choice or group choice?
Pat

[RichT]

Rodrigo, is everyone starting with a group of 30? Is no culling a personal choice or group choice?
Pat

Pat
Everyone has a different amount. Rodrigo likes to go big!!

Rich

[roclement]

Rodrigo, is everyone starting with a group of 30? Is no culling a personal choice or group choice?
Pat

No Pat, most of the guys have between 6-8 fish. I got 30 since I wanted something to grow out for myself and since we sell all of our stock, nothing better than some nice fish from Rich! :)
The choice not to cull is my personal choice so we can see how they all turn out. I want to show how much variance you can have in a single batch.

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Pat

There was a total of 80. I culled one.

Rich

[PAR23]

Rodrigo, is everyone starting with a group of 30? Is no culling a personal choice or group choice?
Pat

I started with 8. Hoping I don't have to cull any. Also, correct me if I'm wrong Rod but there are no "rules" other than sharing our methods of growing out fish.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Rich :)

Rodrigo, will be fun to watch and best of luck to everyone. I have a group of eight from Kraig and there is a fair amount of variety in my group.

[dadecountyalan]

Thanks! It will be interesting since I got 30 of these fish, I think I will have the widest variation of size and quality in the group, like I mentioned before, I will not cull any fish so we can see how they all turn out!

To subscribe to a thread, go back to the top of the page and check the "thread tools" on the right side of the first post of the page.

Rodrigo


holy ****!! awesome man! ive always wanted to do something like that. man i can imagine it already seeing all those fish older swimming in the same tank. awesome!

[roclement]

I started with 8. Hoping I don't have to cull any. Also, correct me if I'm wrong Rod but there are no "rules" other than sharing our methods of growing out fish.

100% correct, this is not a contest, no rules...just fun and observation so people can see the results of our personal discus keeping ways! My end game is a couple of pairs to keep me busy, and hopefullywe can help some new keepers make their choice on how to keep their discus.

Rodrigo

[Poco]

Awesome! Looking forward to all the updates and good luck to all.

[Jeff O]

This will be a fun one to follow!

[chaoslite]

Ok I love this thread.

Mishka

[TNT77]

This will be a fun one to follow!
+1

[yim11]

Great fish Rich!

[RichT]

Great fish Rich!

Thanks Jim. It was a lot of fun.

Rich

[John_Nicholson]

Damn wished that I could have been involved...LOL. Great looking fish. Personally I hate it when the striations are straight. I prefer a scribbled pattern.

-john

[jimg]

Great idea Rod!
I want to first mention how thoughtful it was of Rich to share these piwows with us. He did and excellent job raising them.
I need camera card so for now I'll just give conditions and feed.
I have 8 of them now in a 29 bb, ac 50, sera 125w, airstone.
water is tap/ro mix with 1/16tsp safe. 400us, ph 7.5, kh 5, gh 4. temp 84. my water changes as I am in the middle of the reservoir and catskill aqueduct so sometimes 70us sometimes 450+us hence why I use ro/tap, at least I can keep changes close.
wc 95% 1X a day aged water. My tap is run through carbon,1 micron and uv.
feed, sera discus granules in am. bh/pro growth flake in auto feeder 3x a day, fdblkw or super veggie kelp flakes 1x after auto feeding, rich's sea food mix at end of day before wc.
I had 9 all are about 1.75". I culled one it was dark and darting, scoped found 0 parasites,worms or protists but overstuffed intestines with sea food mix. I believe a larger piece of spinach blocked intestines and it was a matter of days before bacteria set in and bloating. I will be taking all spinach out of any feeds from now on. These fish eat like pigs. I just think one over did it but spinach does not seem to digest well in them anyway.

edit: ac filter is 70. fish last week culled one was 2.75" not 1.75

[fredyx]

Great thread!! I will follow the evolution of the different batches, all of you are using a WC pattern that goes from 1 90% WC per day to 2x90% WC per day, it would be curious to see the growth rate differences with a more conservative WC pattern :)

[brewmaster15]

Rod,
I'm in ... and will update and participate as best I can. I was lucky enough to be given 6 of these beautiful juvies from RichT this past Sunday. Rich, I can't thank you enough for your generosity here, nor can I say enough about the job you did raising these fry. They are beautiful fish already. Thank you so much !!!

Mine are still settling in a bit and I will post on them in the next day or so.

I initially had placed them in a 29 Gal tank, but then opted to move them to a 55gal. Currently they are in a bare bottom 55 gal tank. I am running 2 cycled sponge filters...no power filters at this time. temp 84-85F. 50-75% water changes per day. Foods.. Beefheart seafood mix, Freeze dried Australian Blackworms (feedings 3-4 times a day).
My water is well water, aged, pH 7.6-7.8

I am not going to re-invent the wheel on these fish.. One of my focuses here is red turqs and these are going to be raised with future breeding stock in mind... old school good discus husbandry and care.

Thanks again Rich, and to all those in this fun little experiment. Best of luck with your Gems.

-al

[John_Nicholson]

Rod who is making book on this thing and what are the odds? I want to put $20 on Rich.

-john

[SMB2]

Rod
Thanks for the score card!

John
What's the over-under?

[roclement]

Rod who is making book on this thing and what are the odds? I want to put $20 on Rich.

-john

Me to! LOL

Rodrigo

[roclement]

Rod
Thanks for the score card!

you got it Stan! I asked them mods to move it to the top of the thread.

Rodrigo

[John_Nicholson]

Rod
Thanks for the score card!

John
What's the over-under?

Not sure yet....Can't seem to connect with the right book maker yet.


-john

[SMB2]

Great work. This will indeed be an education, and fun to follow!

[PAR23]

Great thread!! I will follow the evolution of the different batches, all of you are using a WC pattern that goes from 1 90% WC per day to 2x90% WC per day, it would be curious to see the growth rate differences with a more conservative WC pattern :)

Also different feeding regime

[RichT]

LOL LOL you guys crack me up. Now we're taking odds?? I just want to handle the vig!!!
Now I'm gonna really have to find them more room.

[John_Nicholson]

Rich I already have money riding on you so don't let me down.

-john

[roclement]

Me to! :)

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Me to! :)

Rodrigo


Rich I already have money riding on you so don't let me down.

-john

Man, I feel the screws tightening already!!!!

[John_Nicholson]

Rich I think you should require everyone to bring at least one of these fish to the NADA show in 2014. We can pick a winner there.

-john

[roclement]

Told you this thread was gonna be fun!

Rodrigo

[roclement]

Rich I think you should require everyone to bring at least one of these fish to the NADA show in 2014. We can pick a winner there.

-john

By next year I expect we will be bringing fry from these to the show! And John...this is not a contest!!



psst...my money is still on Rich! :)

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Rich I think you should require everyone to bring at least one of these fish to the NADA show in 2014. We can pick a winner there.

-john

I like your idea John!!!

[John_Nicholson]

Rod everything is a contest.....even life.

-john

[Larry Bugg]

Rich I think you should require everyone to bring at least one of these fish to the NADA show in 2014. We can pick a winner there.

-john

Now that is the best suggestion yet!!!!!

[Poco]

Would love to see them at NADA.

[BOBT00LS]

Rod who is making book on this thing and what are the odds? I want to put $20 on Rich.

-john

Well John since you asked, here you go:

RICH T 2-1
AL 7-2
ROD 5-1
JIM G 7-1
PETER 9-1
ASHAY 20-1 THE WILD CARD !

OVER UNDER IS 7.5 INCHES AT NADA 2014

BOB+++++P.S. ODDS WERE CHOSEBN RANDOMLY SO THAT NO ONE IS CRYING OVER THEIR SELECTED ODDS :argue:

[John_Nicholson]

Yea Bob all bookies claim that the odds are random...LOL. Is the length TL or SL?

-john

[yim11]

OK I see where the smart money is going, my bet is in.

[Skip]

Well John since you asked, here you go:

RICH T 2-1
AL 7-2
ROD 5-1
JIM G 7-1
PETER 9-1

OVER UNDER IS 7.5 INCHES AT NADA 2014

BOB+++++P.S. ODDS WERE CHOSEBN RANDOMLY SO THAT NO ONE IS CRYING OVER THEIR SELECTED ODDS :argue:

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[SMB2]

Is there a Pay Pal account set up?

[roclement]

Bob's faith in me is astounding! :)

Rodrigo

[Poco]

Bob you left Ashay out, is he the wild card?

[BOBT00LS]

Bob's faith in me is astounding! :)

Rodrigo

The odds were selected randomly buddy !!!! I knew someone would :cry:

Bob

[BOBT00LS]

Bob you left Ashay out, is he the wild card?

THE WILD CARD ASHAY has been added to the list.

Bob

[BOBT00LS]

Well John since you asked, here you go:

RICH T 2-1
AL 7-2
ROD 5-1
JIM G 7-1
PETER 9-1
ASHAY 20-1 THE WILD CARD !

OVER UNDER IS 7.5 INCHES AT NADA 2014

BOB+++++P.S. ODDS WERE CHOSEBN RANDOMLY SO THAT NO ONE IS CRYING OVER THEIR SELECTED ODDS :argue:


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[nwehrman]

LOL

[nc0gnet0]

Are teasers allowed?

[PAR23]

It may have sliped my mind to include some minor details:

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Bob :)

That's hilarious......

[Second Hand Pat]

It may have sliped my mind to include some minor details:

The information contained is for entertainment purposes only. The poster can't be held responsible for any user activity that violates any local or national laws or jurisdictions. It is solely your responsibility to ensure that online gambling is legal in your jurisdiction. We cannot determine the legality of online gambling in every jurisdiction, and cannot provide any legal advice. Online gambling and gaming is illegal in many jurisdictions and users should consult legal counsel regarding the legal status of online gambling and gaming in their jurisdictions. The information at this site is for news and entertainment purposes only. Use of this information in violation of any international, federal, state or local laws is prohibited.

Bob :)

As always the devil is in the details...lol :o

[roclement]

A little video update, some notes:

Notice the bottle filters, the one on the right is cycled and fully functional, the one on the left was added today, you can see the difference in the media rotation in the bottle, once the media is fully covered in bacteria, you get the nice tumbling rotation in the bottle, very cool!

The observers in you will notice the 2 aqua clear intakes in the tank, vry good! They are running empty, no media for 2 reasons, they where already there so I kept them for water movement, and if I ever need to add carbon to remove any medictaion (let's hope not) they are ready to go!

Lastly, this video was taken about 30 minutes from a water change that left the fish flat on the bottom of the tank, straight from the tap, with micro bubbles and all, fish really don't seem to mind much. :)

VIDEO, CLICK ON THE IMAGE TO WATCH IT
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/th_P2221250_zps3c4b597e.jpg (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P2221250_zps3c4b597e.mp4)

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Looking great Rod!!!

Question: How big was your video file. Tried uploading one last nite to photobucket but my file was too large.
Any suggestions?

Rich

[roclement]

Looking great Rod!!!

Question: How big was your video file. Tried uploading one last nite to photobucket but my file was too large.
Any suggestions?

Rich

Thanks Rich!

253mb, pretty large. Keep the video to just under one minute and you should be fine. Looking forward to seeing your fish!

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Thanks Rich!

253gb, pretty large. Keep the video to just under one minute and you should be fine. Looking forward to seeing your fish!

Rodrigo

Under a minute ok. I'll play to nite.

Thanks Rod

Rich

[Second Hand Pat]

Rich, you could try Youtube :) I went from photobucket to Youtube and like Youtube better.

[RichT]

Rich, you could try Youtube :) I went from photobucket to Youtube and like Youtube better.

Hi Pat

Thanks for the tip. I'll have to ck out youtube tonite also. Maybe I'll enroll my 12 yr old on this stuff and he could teach me!

Rich

[PAR23]

Nice Rod. With your larger group, you can really begin to see the separation and variation in size within a batch. Since I only have 8, more difficult to tease out.

[roclement]

Nice Rod. With your larger group, you can really begin to see the separation and variation in size within a batch. Since I only have 8, more difficult to tease out.

That's right Peter! This is why I don't want to cull, so everyone can see the true variations in a single batch of fish.

Rodrigo

[John_Nicholson]

I just can wait to see how these fish compare ( fish raise in proper conditions to meet their genetic potential ) to some of the discus that are currently being raised in idiotic conditions by idiots......

-john

[roclement]

I just can wait to see how these fish compare ( fish raise in proper conditions to meet their genetic potential ) to some of the discus that are currently being raised in idiotic conditions by idiots......

-john

LOL! :)

Rodrigo

[Poco]

I just can wait to see how these fish compare ( fish raise in proper conditions to meet their genetic potential ) to some of the discus that are currently being raised in idiotic conditions by idiots......

-john

+1000 couldn't agree more

[Cambik]

Glad to see this happening. I sure am looking forward to seeing some of these fish at NADA.

[RichT]

Here's a video also taken right after a water change. I gave them some FDBW which normally they don't see. I think they enjoy the seafood mix better. That will be the next video. Also thinking of moving them back to the 50 gal. where they will have a lot more room. To my eye they seem a little cramped and if my new pair doesn't cooperate.

It's blurred in the beginning so let it run.

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/th_IMGP1760_zps725c4a23.jpg (http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1760_zps725c4a23.mp4)

Rich

[PAR23]

Man Rich......I'm putting my money on you too..

[Larry Bugg]

Rich, you could try Youtube :) I went from photobucket to Youtube and like Youtube better.

Yup, I use photobucket for photos and Youtube for videos.

[Larry Bugg]

They look great Rich.

[RichT]

Man Rich......I'm putting my money on you too..

Now Now, we're just having fun !!!! :)


They look great Rich.

Thanks Larry

Rich

[PAR23]

Now Now, we're just having fun !!!! :)

Rich

I'm taking my 8 fish and flying down to Miami to go visit that doctor........what was his name? I better get his name from A. Rod.....:D


Disclosure: I do not have any proof that A. Rod was involved in using any form of performance enhancing drugs banned by MLB. This is meant as a joke, not to smear anyones
character.

[roclement]

I'm taking my 8 fish and flying down to Miami to go visit that doctor........what was his name? I better get his name from A. Rod.....:D

Lol!

[ashaysathe]

I'm taking my 8 fish and flying down to Miami to go visit that doctor........what was his name? I better get his name from A. Rod.....:D


Disclosure: I do not have any proof that A. Rod was involved in using any form of performance enhancing drugs banned by MLB. This is meant as a joke, not to smear anyones
character.

Nice

[Poco]

Awesome juvies Rick.

[roclement]

Nice

Ashay...you need to post! At least your setup info! Dont let me down!

Rodrigo

[Second Hand Pat]

Holler and I can move initial info to the second post.

[ashaysathe]

Hello Friends

It's great in a first place to acquire fish home bred by a dear friend, meet up with another great buddy and then be part of this fun exercise that allow us to compare notes and enjoy.
In the spirit of theme, I acquired 6 fish about 2" in size. Unlike my plans earlier, they are in a 29g tank.

Water parameters :
PH from the tap : around 5
Ppm : around 85

Food: FDBW with Pro Growth
Sea food mix (salmon +cod + shrimp ). I remember old friend Sriangel said Wayne Ng calls this seafood burger mix

Water changes : I have done a good job past week of doing 35-40% water change all week since I acquired them.

Challenges :

Irregular feeding intervals on weekdays
On weekdays - I feed the fish the seafood mix before I leave home around 7:30am. At times wife feeds them in between but when my older son comes I have a deal with him to feed every 2 hrs on the clock after he enters the home. What he wants in return is a camera for himself (BTW he is 10 yrs old) and now I have a new entry in a list he tagged with his younger brother (5 yrs) and they both want a hamster
When I get home, I do a water change and feed them one more time to make sure they all are eating
This brings to challenge #2
Aging Water
As u saw water from tap is great but very high on chlorine and dissolved gases. I found our water department changes water reservoirs mid winter to spring and that this new reservoir after shift has some treatment early part. Point in time, I don't age water.
I have noticed these smaller fish get impacted negatively for first 2 hrs after the water change. Second day when I did a water change, they all turned dark. I was shocked. I am not sure what you guys do Rod, Jim, Pete and especially Rich, but it looks like for the spirit of these fish I will be forced to invest in 20g water storage to age water.
Any of your observations friends on these?

Now here is my second hypothesis. I have also got 5 blue knights from dear friends The Jersey Boyz - Rod 'n Bob. My goal is all remain the same, see how great these 2 fish from 2 great breeders grow. Again, point to mention here is these fish after a water change ( they are in a 55g - because feeding is on 2 tanks, kids have bumped their deal to 2 things I guess) on blue knights tank - they are whistling and giggling. No impact what so ever. Again, water change, aging of water is directly related to age of the fish and its so true.

The photos - they are in apple cloud. I have to see how I can reduce their size in a cloud and put them here. I have a blue and gold event to go to today that will go all day. When I am back in the evening, uncloud or do some cloud manipulation and post photos.

Until then...

[ashaysathe]

Holler and I can move initial info to the second post.

Not sure what u mean by this. But sounds like u have some powers pal to move posts around. Sure why not.

[Second Hand Pat]

Ashay, as one of Al's moderator's I can edit posts of needed. I also like helping members with their own posts if requested. You info has been added to the second post. Let me know if any edits are needed.
Pat

[ashaysathe]

THE WILD CARD ASHAY has been added to the list.

Bob

This is awesome.. I need to meet that guy in Florida..

[ashaysathe]

Ashay, as one of Al's moderator's I can edit posts of needed. I also like helping members with their own posts if requested. You info has been added to the second post. Let me know if any edits are needed.
Pat

Thanks Pat. That's neat.

[ashaysathe]

Ashay...you need to post! At least your setup info! Dont let me down!

Rodrigo

Let u down .. No chance. See how much faith Bob has in me. I will post every Saturday at 10 am. It's good to have consistent check points with photos.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Pat. That's neat.

Welcome Ashay

[roclement]

Thanks Pat!

Ashay, good to have you posting! Now let's work in some water changes in the negotiations with your kids for the camera and hamster!!!

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Ashay
Sorry to see your having problems with your water. Maybe you should get back to the basics. I know you have been out of fishkeeping for a few years. How old is your test kit? Maybe invest in a new master kit? If your gonna get a 20gal barrel spend a few more dollars and go with the 45gal. Turning dark with the water change is not good. Again back to basics Ph out of tap and Ph 24hrs later with aeration. For now I would stop the "burger mix" and only feed a more stabilized food ( pellets or flake ). I can't see a water company sending Ph 5 water through their system. Gonna eat it away!! But I could be wrong.

The "burger mix" feed before your water change. This way a large part of the debris will be removed from the water column. It will get nasty fast.

Rich

[roclement]

Hey Rich! No helping!!! :) JK of course!

If I may add to your post, feeding can always be suplemented by using auto feeders, I have an enheim auto-feeder feeding my fish 4 times a day in addition to my feedings, with today's high quality dry foods available to us, auto feeders are a blessing!

Rodrigo

[ashaysathe]

Ashay
Sorry to see your having problems with your water. Maybe you should get back to the basics. I know you have been out of fishkeeping for a few years. How old is your test kit? Maybe invest in a new master kit? If your gonna get a 20gal barrel spend a few more dollars and go with the 45gal. Turning dark with the water change is not good. Again back to basics Ph out of tap and Ph 24hrs later with aeration. For now I would stop the "burger mix" and only feed a more stabilized food ( pellets or flake ). I can't see a water company sending Ph 5 water through their system. Gonna eat it away!! But I could be wrong.

The "burger mix" feed before your water change. This way a large part of the debris will be removed from the water column. It will get nasty fast.

Rich

Fair comments Rich and great pointers. So here are some leading clarifications. I dont think these are problems - i call opportunities for improvements.

Test kits and instruments:
I have a Hanna test kit. I don't think investing in a tool is an concern, your point is either the town or the kit is screwing. I will post a video from you tube on measuring and the exercise after I get back.
Your point on aging is a concern so i understand that. Burger mix and water column sanity is directly proportional to amount (size) of feed and amount consumed by the fish. Water change once a day I think should balance that. But your point is well taken.
Bottom line is aging is necessary for the age of fish because as I said - Blue Knights show no impact.

[ashaysathe]

Hey Rich! No helping!!! :) JK of course!

If I may add to your post, feeding can always be suplemented by using auto feeders, I have an enheim auto-feeder feeding my fish 4 times a day in addition to my feedings, with today's high quality dry foods available to us, auto feeders are a blessing!

Rodrigo

Yes auto feeders are an option and I do have it. Problem is the water and vaporization make these devices a big overheads. Some high ends are available that can be thought about or purchased point is there is no perfect solution.

[RichT]

Ashay

" i call opportunities for improvements." I like the way you think!!!

Rich

[ashaysathe]

Ashay

" i call opportunities for improvements." I like the way you think!!!

Rich

Exactly right. So improvement locked in - water is the barrel. It's 50g
First goal is stable environment and then improvise

[brewmaster15]

Guess I am due for some Pics.... Fish are settled in and doing well. ..had a chance to snap some pics...Thanks again Rich!

To recap... water is well, aged pH mid to upper 7's, water changes 50-75% day, feeding predominantly my homemade Beefheart and seafood mix and Freeze Dried Australian Blackworms.

As for participating in this as a contest or taking them to a show.. no thanks.:bandana: I have 6 juvies here that I will raise like I raise all my fish...IF I get a pair of nice looking fish to breed I will have met my goal, if I get 2 or more pairs... I will have beaten it!:)

enjoy...
al

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[brewmaster15]

More... I added a clear ruler to where I feed them my cubed Blackworms.. Its a good way to measure without stressing out at all.

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hope that helps.
-al

[roclement]

Nice Al! I am very amazed at how consistent these fish are! One single spawn and I don't see a single, obvious bad fish! Great stock, and great breeding!
I am right there with you, I want a couple of pairs to breed and enjoy the hobby, I already compete enough in other things in my life, in my hobby life, I just want to have some fun!

Rodrigo

[brewmaster15]

Rod, It amazes me as well as to the uniformity. I have high hopes for these....very high hopes.

-al

[Poco]

Nice Al! I am very amazed at how consistent these fish are! One single spawn and I don't see a single, obvious bad fish! Great stock, and great breeding!

Exactly what I was thinking about, very consistent indeed. Hats off to Rick!

[RichT]

Very nice pictures Al! Thanks. I see they settled in nicely. I really hope they meet your goals.

Rich

[PAR23]

Quick update. I've had these exactly 21 days now. Last 4 days have not been "optimal" care as I had the night shift, only one WC per day. All are doing well. The smallest one is the least aggressive eater of them all.....prob around 2.5" All the rest are pushing 3" while the biggest one is 3"+. Enjoy the pics.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/PAR23/Baby%20Piwows/DSC_0218_zps947b9405.jpg

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/PAR23/Baby%20Piwows/DSC_0208_zps16330829.jpg

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/PAR23/Baby%20Piwows/DSC_0207_zpsb4df65da.jpg

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/PAR23/Baby%20Piwows/DSC_0191_zpsac0f83ad.jpg

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x338/PAR23/Baby%20Piwows/DSC_0188_zps6226e049.jpg

[roclement]

Very good Peter! They are looking great! They are all so consistent in size and shape!

Rodrigo

[PAR23]

Very good Peter! They are looking great! They are all so consistent in size and shape!

Rodrigo

Thanks Rod. Couldn't agree with you more. They have great genetics and it shows.

[brewmaster15]

Looking Great Peter!:)

-al

[RichT]

Peter

Really nice pictures! So cool to see them. They look nice, bright and perky.

Rich

[PAR23]

Looking Great Peter!:)

-al

Thanks Al. I'm going to have to try your method of measuring these guys. I wasn't too excited about netting them out. BTW, they are fed your special BH/Seafood mix.

[PAR23]

Peter

Really nice pictures! So cool to see them. They look nice, bright and perky.

Rich

Thanks Rich. Not that I've been neglecting the other tanks but I find myself sitting in front of these guys for hours.

[roclement]

So in a tank full of beauties...there is bound to be the lone cull...if i was raising these for just myself, i would cull it but, since the point here is to let them all grow so we can compare notes, and share experiences, here it is...my little cull!
All of the fish are now nearing the 3 inch mark, some crossed it already, this one is around 1.7 inches...very little color, but perfectly healthy.

Here is what the average fish look like:
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P2271265_zps8302d924.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P2271267_zps690a66ff.jpg

And here is Funky CULL Medina! :)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P2271268_zpsb764488d.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P2271261_zpse652b0bd.jpg

Rodrigo

[chaoslite]

ROFLMAO. Nice name. They look great Rod!

Mishka

[RichT]

Rod

They are looking good. Starting to color up for you. I think you should have a talk with Bob about Medina. I wouldn't throw her under the bus yet. I hope not but she may come in handy down the road.

Rich

[roclement]

She isn't going anywhere Rich, at least not untill all of our fish are adults and we can make some conclusions on our personal rearing methods, for the next year or so, she is safe!

Rodrigo

[ashaysathe]

Hello Friends,

Time for an update.
So aged water did the trick. Fish are doing great, eating like crazy and looking really nice. Its incredible to see the shape and the grace on these fish at this very young age.
Take a look

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[roclement]

Awesome Ashay! ack in the saddle, love it!

I had a photobucket issue, and my links stopped working, for some reason I can't edit my own posts to fix it, so I will wait for a mod to help me out! :)

Rodrigo

[ashaysathe]

Interesting.. I had difficulties posting pictures as well. Hmm. These fishies are just incredible. It will be fun to watch these guys grow

[RichT]

Ashay- Good to hear you have it under control.

Side note- my guys will be in the 29 for a little longer. Got wigglers with a different female this morning. It may be the one Rod had his eye on!! I'll post some pictures soon. Gotta change some water.

Rich

[roclement]

Rich...don't tease me!!!! Really??? That fish defines what this line of red turqs is all about! I got dibs on some babies!!!! :)

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Rich...don't tease me!!!! Really??? That fish defines what this line of red turqs is all about! I got dibs on some babies!!!! :)

Rodrigo

This morning they hatched. Now they are on the back side of the cone.
First picture without flash
http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1774_zps8ea99428.jpg

With flash

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1780_zpsed47ddc7.jpg

Rich

[roclement]

You tease! :)


Rodrigo

[PAR23]

Congrats Rich. You are a baby making machine.

[RichT]

We shall see in the morning how many attach

[roclement]

Ok, here we go...one more update for you guys and gals!

Out of the 30, 27 are over 3 inches, 2 are nearing 3 inches, and Funky Cull Medina is about 2.5 inches. All healhty, eating, and coloring up!
The first post is a video, I tried to zoom in on Funky at some point near the end. The rest are pictures with normal lights, and with a led strip on the others. Enjoy!

VIDEO, CLICK ON THE IMAGE TO VIEW.
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/th_P3061382_zps9fe09d5d.jpg (http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061382_zps9fe09d5d.mp4)
PICKS FROM HERE ON...
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061402_zps6b7fbe85.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061401_zpse3b95d15.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061400_zpsf15c46fd.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061399_zpse5a8dee9.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061398_zps95ffcc14.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061397_zpsa54fff50.jpg
Can you see Funky in the back?
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061396_zps662f8da2.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061395_zpse3aa53d0.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061394_zps7cea8d77.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061393_zps99ac1cc0.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061392_zpsffcb612d.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061390_zpsf5fece0a.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061389_zps0aaf6757.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061388_zps1d889bbe.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061386_zps7ae99189.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061385_zpsa9452af1.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Red%20Turqs/P3061384_zpsa57acfee.jpg

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Looking real good Rodrigo.
Gotta keep those bellies full !

[yim11]

They look great! Sux y'all were scared to let the Texas folks in on this ;)

LOL

[Skip]

They look great! Sux y'all were scared to let the Texas folks in on this ;)

LOL

RACIST!

[RichT]

They look great! Sux y'all were scared to let the Texas folks in on this ;)

LOL

It would have been my pleasure to pull that off !!!

[RichT]

RACIST!

LOL Who me ??

[Skip]

LOL Who me ??

PSSSSSTT!!

save me a batch!! when i am back up and running with my larger fish room!!

wife said its ok..
once we move to bigger place :)

[Larry Bugg]

PSSSSSTT!!

save me a batch!! when i am back up and running with my larger fish room!!

wife said its ok..
once we move to bigger place :)

LOL, I wouldn't be saving anything Rich. He is whipped now.

[Skip]

LOL, I wouldn't be saving anything Rich. He is whipped now.

she has a HOT LATINA TEMPER>. i will pass on your name to her!

[Larry Bugg]

she has a HOT LATINA TEMPER>. i will pass on your name to her!

LOL, bet she agrees with me!!!

[Kal-El]

Damn... I want some of those RT Juvie... Super nice...

[ockyra215]

Rod Looks Good!! Keep up the the growth reports!!

[dadecountyalan]

awesome rod. you have some stunners in there.

[roclement]

Thanks everyone!

Rodrigo

[PAR23]

Very Nice Rod. How long are you going to keep them in the 90G? These guys grow so quickly.

[roclement]

We shall see Peter...at least 5 to 5.5 inches, that's what i am gunning for in that tank...

Rodrigo

[brewmaster15]

Small change here guys in my layout.. I was going to keep these guys in a 55 gal tank for several months... but got a bit inundated with fry and need that tank..so my six are getting an upgrade... I moved them to a 75 gal. They look a bit lost in that tank...and not my ideal conditions for fish this size, but it is what it is. 2 aquaclear 500s, 2 hydro 5s, heater, bare bottom, etc.. for now I will do 50 % wc every other day and play it by ear. They seem quite happy and content still come up to feed from hand.....They can clearly see a tank of Juvie cobalts next to them which I think helps.


-al

[roclement]

Here is a quick update video from my batch starring Funky Cull Medina! She is the fish in the begining of the video.
I will measure them soon enough, all fish are healthy and growing well, and are mostly over 3 inches with the bigger ones nearing the 4 inch mark! Unreal growth!

If anyone can tell me how to embed video, I would appreciate it, I no longer see the full edit bars on top of my reply screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oue_IROveI

Rodrigo

[Kal-El]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oue_IROveI

1. Click "Insert Video"
2. When prompted for video link paste the youtube url in and click ok.
3. That's all to it.

Code is :[...VIDEO]You Tube URL...[/VIDEO...] - Removing the "..." in the "[]"

[roclement]

I dont have a button for that,i have nothing at all to edit in any way...but thanks for inserting it for me.

Got it back!!! It was a setting on my profile!

Rodrigo

[Kal-El]

I dont have a button for that,i have nothing at all to edit in any way...but thanks for inserting it for me.

Rodrigo

When that happens try using the source code itself just remove the "..."

Code is :[...VIDEO]You Tube URL...[/VIDEO...] - Removing the "..." in the "[]"

[roclement]

Video Test....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhoyoTTKEoU

Rodrigo

[Kal-El]

There you go... :)

[Larry Bugg]

The shape on those guys is just awesome Rod.

[roclement]

Thanks Larry! There are some incredible fish in there! Credit to the parents, and to Rich!

Rodrigo

[RichT]

The fish have gotten a little bigger since the last up date. I have moved them to a 50gal to give them their needed space.
The grid on the tank measures 4 in. either way from zero horizontally (X) and 3 in. vertically (Y).


http://youtu.be/71A5Lgrd8Ys

[roclement]

Dam Rich! You raising discus or piranhas!?

Great idea with the grid, and awesome looking fish!

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Something different. They don't like the ruler. Gotta get some more light on the tank next time.

[roclement]

My bigger ones are close to that in size, but the smaller ones are in the 3 inch mark now.
The discus guy in me wants to separate them in smaller groups but I decided to keep them together, so I will stick to it!!! :)
Most agressive eater I have is "Funky Cull Medina", the smallest, less colorfull of them all!

How is the next batch doing?

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Next batch is coming along. Not growing as fast as the first. I could be a little impatient also. They are in a 29 eating BBS and crushed flakes. We'll get some from the batch.

[roclement]

Video from today...yes I am home and had the extra time...all fish are doing great!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmBxFvQh2p8


Rodrigo

[RichT]

Looking great Rod. Another couple of weeks and the red will really start to take over!

[John_Nicholson]

Looking great.

-john

[roclement]

Thanks guys! Waiting for updates from the other people! :) Rich and I seem to have to much time in our hands! :)

Rodrigo

[ashaysathe]

Thanks guys! Waiting for updates from the other people! :) Rich and I seem to have to much time in our hands! :)

Rodrigo

Nah.. u are guys are very disciplined is how I would say it. I wish I was half of that. Nevertheless... the fish are doing great. I don't think I will get that skill to get the fish out and measure it but. Here are my fish. Growing nice and eating well. Its great fun to see these guys grow.

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[ashaysathe]

More photos..

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[ashaysathe]

Adding a video too .. now we are talking


http://youtu.be/WfRof0KsE2s

[ashaysathe]

This is an awesome video Rod with nice music - feels like fish doing Zumba.

Rich - should be nice to see the next batch. Your fish room must be a magical magnetic place Red-Turk'oida Triangle

[RichT]

Ashay, they are looking good. Glad you got the water straighten out.

[mlov1022]

Hey Rich, How is the new batch doing? Should I still plan to have an empty tank ready for May 1st? :p

[RichT]

Hey Rich, How is the new batch doing? Should I still plan to have an empty tank ready for May 1st? :p

Gonna be close. But for sure we will have something! I'll have to push them a little.

[mlov1022]

Gonna be close. But for sure we will have something! I'll have to push them a little.May 15th is ok too. :D

[roclement]

Ashay got a new camera!! Fish looking good Shayness!!! Good to see you doing so well with them!

Rodrigo

[Kal-El]

All of you are doing very well with your grow outs. If this keeps up each of you will have a number of beautiful round adult RT discus... Hopefully you guys will sell and ship some of the out when full grown... ;)

[ashaysathe]

Ashay, they are looking good. Glad you got the water straighten out.

Yes Rich. It's all settled now. A little hiccup in the beginning for 2 days. Now all set. Looking very good.


Ashay got a new camera!! Fish looking good Shayness!!! Good to see you doing so well with them!

Rodrigo

Yes my man. Got Panasonic LX7. Nice camera so far. 1.4f is insane. Pretty good for the boys. Your fish look great as well buddy with the Zumba music. Nicely done.

[Ryan]

The shape on some of these fish is really outstanding. Great job, guys!

[roclement]

Ok...here is an update for ya'll! 04/07/13

Fish are doing great! All are very healthy and growing! Now, almost all are over 4 inches and you can clearly see the winners and losers in the batch. All are coloring up, some have weaker chins than others, and some have great shapes and fins, others have average, other than "Funky Cull Medina", there are no bad fish, just better in the group. Rigth now, i could pull 10 out of this group, that i would consider breeding quality, another 10 or so that are above average, and half a dozen good fish, I would cull 4 or 5 but will not do it yet.

Some pics for you:
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061593_zps2bb8f5ae.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061594_zpsd9332baa.jpg

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061596_zpsb0556b6f.jpg
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http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061597_zps34c12f07.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061598_zpsfb88a404.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061600_zps1d6958cc.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061601_zps1d4bf89b.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061602_zps93eba581.jpg
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061603_zps4fa1283f.jpg

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061607_zpsf4f591e8.jpg

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061605_zpsc06e1548.jpg

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061604_zpse8152901.jpg

AND FUNKY CULL MEDINA!
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/Turqs%20040713/P4061606_zps953841ad.jpg

Lastly, a video for you guys:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRyH32MbYGc

Thanks for looking!

Rodrigo

[ashaysathe]

Very nice Rod. Looking great. Took some photos from today.


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8252/8628872881_b24e0ee7b2.jpg


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8104/8629979668_42d8e684b7.jpg

[John_Nicholson]

Looking great guys.

-john

[roclement]

Hello again! So here is another one for you! Didn't have a chance to make a video today, just snapped a whole bunch of shots from the tank to show how they are doing. Funky Cull is on the brink of being culled...I feel bad for her, she tries so much but has no shot of competing, she now hangs pretty much by herself in the tank, so maybe it's time to go.

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4161672_zpsdcb94b78.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4161672_zpsdcb94b78.jpg.html)
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http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4161666_zpsf354d14a.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4161666_zpsf354d14a.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4161661_zps3cd7f565.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4161661_zps3cd7f565.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4161660_zps9d0fed57.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4161660_zps9d0fed57.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4161655_zps537e6cd5.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4161655_zps537e6cd5.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4161654_zpsd04faab0.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4161654_zpsd04faab0.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151653_zpsc918081b.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151653_zpsc918081b.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151652_zpsd54d9484.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151652_zpsd54d9484.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151651_zpsdc340360.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151651_zpsdc340360.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151650_zps6b7f8039.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151650_zps6b7f8039.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151643_zps9e0f70a7.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151643_zps9e0f70a7.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151641_zpsb06227d3.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151641_zpsb06227d3.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151640_zps5c6ed575.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151640_zps5c6ed575.jpg.html)
http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151638_zps2ad3428b.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151638_zps2ad3428b.jpg.html)

One more interesting issue is that 2 of the fish are showing "pinched" sides, perfectly healhty, active, and pretty fish, but pinched sides...any toughts?

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4161664_zpsd3b5094a.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4161664_zpsd3b5094a.jpg.html)

Look at the fish on the bottom left...

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151649_zpsef93ef0b.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151649_zpsef93ef0b.jpg.html)

You can see better on the top fish:

http://i760.photobucket.com/albums/xx248/rodclement/turqs0416/P4151645_zpsb7300d41.jpg (http://s760.photobucket.com/user/rodclement/media/turqs0416/P4151645_zpsb7300d41.jpg.html)

[mlov1022]

Looking good Bro!

[roclement]

ThanksMarc! See the picnhed sides?

Rodrigo

[Larry Bugg]

The size and shape is very uniform. Looking great Rod!! Can't help you with the pinched sides.

[RichT]

From today

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1915_zps9c6e4c72.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/e5d28127-be1e-45da-ab8a-155dc18fcc70_zpse62f2931.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/5e06eee0-d36e-4d7a-83e2-ce2a142a1d28_zps3ec13959.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1919_zps93383e47.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/e60d6a71-c8c4-494a-a3b5-0f744a55032b_zps81467b27.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1918_zps494c5609.jpg[/URL]

[Larry Bugg]

Very nice Rich. A tank full of beauties. The consistiency of these guys really impresses me.

[John_Nicholson]

Looking great. Can't wait to see some of them in person at NADA.

-john

[roclement]

Incredible Rich!! Very, very nice!

Rodrigo

[dadecountyalan]

damn!!!!!

rich those are some awesome fish

[0Dgreen]

Rich...whenever you get bold enough to ship let me know lol

[mlov1022]

Rod, you're slacking, no updates? :p

[CrazyAngels]

ThanksMarc! See the picnhed sides?

Rodrigo

Rod, did you ever figure out the pinched sides??

[fisher]

best thread in forum

[roclement]

Sorry for the lack of updates! I will post tomorrow, very busy at work lately. All fish are doing great, and were split between 2 tanks now, 20 here in my 90 gal and 10 over at Bobs. Bob has funcky cull medina and the pinched sides fish and will update on them.
Mine here are doing wonderfull, no losses, all growing like weeds! Pics tomorrow.

Rodrigo

[roclement]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq0jpk2OS5U

Video taken right after water changes, hence the stress bars showing. All fish are on or around 5+ inches. Water changes are now done every other day, and feeding is still all dry foods, with beef heart flakes in the auto feeder.

Rodrigo

[RichT]

Rod

Looking super!!! The size consistency is really nice. Same strain tanks are really growing on me.

[mlov1022]

Very nice Rod, keep up the good work!

[CrazyAngels]

They look awesome Rod, as always great job with them.

[fredyx]

Wow they are doing great!!:D

[roclement]

Here is a better video of them, the patterns are filling in nicely, and evenly. If I am correct, these are 7 months old now (Rich?) One of the fish is more on the brown side than the others, I tried to focus on it in the end of the video, but equally nice. Very curious to see how these mature!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPnz5phdx08&feature=em-upload_owner

Rodrigo

[Chicago Discus]

Rod
They are looking really nice great job:).......Josie

[RichT]

Looking real nice Rod! They went free swimming 11/21/12 so they would be 6 mos now.

[Rex82]

11/21/12?

[RichT]

thanks

[shawnhu]

Found this thread just now, awesome idea Rich and very generous of you.

[Rex82]

Yeah I had an awesome read last night, great idea and great fish

[RichT]

Today they were moved to a 125. They are all between 5 to 5 1/2 in. Here are a few pictures taken this week.

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/1fea71dd-0f74-4890-8240-1870b1aa04af_zps1d552a08.jpg[/URL]

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http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1982_zps6c113de2.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP1977_zps03ce915f.jpg[/URL]


A couple of quick measurements during tank transfer.

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2010_zpsa8ec8856.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2009_zpsba877ffe.jpg[/URL]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2008_zps3baf281e.jpg[/URL]

and a shot in their new home.

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2019_zpsc4b6aa86.jpg[/URL]

[roclement]

WOW Rich!!! Unreal! Incredible job with these so far!!!

Rodrigo

[fisher]

rich .......;) You are the best

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice Rich, you are almost growing these guys out as fast as Alex himself. Nice going.
Pat

[RichT]

rich .......;) You are the best


Nice Rich, you are almost growing these guys out as fast as Alex himself. Nice going.
Pat

Thanks
Good food, clean water and more clean water.

[roclement]

What I find incredible is the full color patterns already! Mine are about half colored, your's look almost fully colored! Awesome Rich! You ARE the man!

Rodrigo

[mlov1022]

Great job Rich. They look awesome!

[Chicago Discus]

Rich you are amazing simply stunning ......Josie

[Larry Bugg]

Beautiful Rich, you have done a fantastic job!!

[Allwin]

Thx for this timeline, valuable lessons!!!

[DiscusPamela]

I am new to the forum and coming in late on this thread. These fish look incredible. Not to hijack, but can anyone point me towards the thread on how to make the bottle filters? This looks like something I may want to try.

Thanks

[John_Nicholson]

Rich you are doing a great job.

-john

[mlov1022]

I am new to the forum and coming in late on this thread. These fish look incredible. Not to hijack, but can anyone point me towards the thread on how to make the bottle filters? This looks like something I may want to try.

Thankshttp://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?98431-Crystal-Clear&highlight=moving+bed+in+a+bottle

[RichT]

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?98431-Crystal-Clear&highlight=moving+bed+in+a+bottle

Your too fast Marc! Thanks



Rich you are doing a great job.


-john

Thanks John.


I am new to the forum and coming in late on this thread. These fish look incredible. Not to hijack, but can anyone point me towards the thread on how to make the bottle filters? This looks like something I may want to try.

Thanks

Nice to have you aboard and Marc beat me to the link

[mlov1022]

No problem Rich, I had Josie's link right in my favorites. So it was very accessible. :)

[roclement]

OK, another month gone by, another update!

Bob went on vacation so all the 30 fish are back in the one 90 gal tank, every one is over 5 inches in size with the exception of Funky Cull Medina, she stopped around the 3 inch or so mark. You can see her in the video so it will give everyone a frame of reference on growth of these fish, they were all smaller than that months ago! :)

Full pattern on some of them, but most are 2/3 patterned, most likely feeding regimen, I am letting it stay as is so we can what happens after a full year, if I change feed now, we will never know the final differences, or what could have been, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFz-8yLdrE8

Rodrigo

[jimg]

They look good Rod. I think Rich has us beat! mine are pretty much fully colored, waiting to see the halo's. mine passed the 5" mark but a couple are just under 5". i will try to get a camera card this weekend to post pics. i moved mine into a 90 about a month ago.

[roclement]

Hey Jim!

Rich's are outstanding! I wanna see all of these at one year old, curious to see if they all catch up, or if the one's that are bigger now, stay bigger, or if they all end up catching up.
Some incredible things to note, none of my 30 have died, and only one cull, all other 29 are similar in size, and almost all have great shape, that's quality parents right there!

Rodrigo

[jimg]

Quality parents and the right start, Rich done good!
i just lost the one that got backed up on spinach.
I asked Rich for some mixed sizes hoping a shot at the smaller being females. they all stay consistent in size as they grow too. the coloring is very nice on these too, the blue is intense and red is rich.

[RichT]

They look good Rod. I think Rich has us beat! mine are pretty much fully colored, waiting to see the halo's. mine passed the 5" mark but a couple are just under 5". i will try to get a camera card this weekend to post pics. i moved mine into a 90 about a month ago.

Jim I would love to see a few pictures of yours!! The halo appears after the blue metalic color develops and we have a little ways to go yet. A couple of months more!!


Hey Jim!

Rich's are outstanding! I wanna see all of these at one year old, curious to see if they all catch up, or if the one's that are bigger now, stay bigger, or if they all end up catching up.
Some incredible things to note, none of my 30 have died, and only one cull, all other 29 are similar in size, and almost all have great shape, that's quality parents right there!

Rodrigo

Hey Rod they are looking nice! I have found that the larger ones have a tendency to remain the large ones of the group for what reason I don't know.


Quality parents and the right start, Rich done good!
i just lost the one that got backed up on spinach.
I asked Rich for some mixed sizes hoping a shot at the smaller being females. they all stay consistent in size as they grow too. the coloring is very nice on these too, the blue is intense and red is rich.

Jim, somebody has to get a few pairs out of all these fish. I'm sure you will get a couple!!

[RichT]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2136_zpsfd32b420.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2135_zps0480f039.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2134_zps6baf1501.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2131_zps2e576422.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2130_zps034dc772.jpg

[roclement]

Dang Rich! You are feeding them the whole cow instead of the heart!? They look awesome!

Here is a quick video of mine...at 1:56 you can see Funky Cull Medina in the tank, she helps put thing in perspective, as she was the same size as everyone else when they came in. Funky is a tad under 3 inches so it gives you an idea on size and growth of these pups. Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IjRxt75N3s

Rod

[Kal-El]

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2136_zpsfd32b420.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2135_zps0480f039.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2134_zps6baf1501.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2131_zps2e576422.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2130_zps034dc772.jpg

Very nice... how big now?

[Kal-El]

Dang Rich! You are feeding them the whole cow instead of the heart!? They look awesome!

Here is a quick video of mine...at 1:56 you can see Funky Cull Medina in the tank, she helps put thing in perspective, as she was the same size as everyone else when they came in. Funky is a tad under 3 inches so it gives you an idea on size and growth of these pups. Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IjRxt75N3s

Rod

Amazing work Rod...

[jimg]

http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae137/jimgalb/DSC_0001-3.jpg (http://s965.photobucket.com/user/jimgalb/media/DSC_0001-3.jpg.html)http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae137/jimgalb/DSC_0058-1.jpg (http://s965.photobucket.com/user/jimgalb/media/DSC_0058-1.jpg.html)no photographer but try thishttp://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae137/jimgalb/DSC_0061.jpg (http://s965.photobucket.com/user/jimgalb/media/DSC_0061.jpg.html)
(http://i965.photobucket.com/albums/ae137/jimgalb/DSC_0059-2.jpg)
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[RichT]

Jim your fish look fantastic! Don't sell yourself short on your picture taking ability. I think you really captured the metallic blue these guys develop along with the candy apple red color. Especially the first, third and fourth picture. Very very nice!!

Since the move to the 125gal I have changed up their food a bit. I added 20% beef heart to the seafood mix and I also found some Pro-Growth by Andrew Soh stashed away in the freezer. Sooo that's in there also. Flakes were changed to Brine Shrimp Direct's beef heart plus flake.

I threw in three runts so the bigger guys can play and have fun. Total of 13 fish now in the tank.

[roclement]

Dam Jim! Really nice! You don't play around do you!

Rich...my guys love my little runt! They leave her be, but love to mess with a couple of others in the tank. Proof that size does not necesserely affect pecking order.

Rodrigo

[Larry Bugg]

You guys are doing a superb job. I have really enjoyed seeing the updates.

[jimg]

it is nice to see all of ours are turning out very nice. like earlier mentioned they were started off good!

[Eddie]

Nice fish folks!

[RichT]

A couple of shots taken today. All still doing nicely.

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/IMGP2148_zps604a126c.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/_IGP2148_zps301a3878.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/_IGP2149_zpsa3158831.jpg

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/_IGP2150_zps7079cfb3.jpg

This last one I'm pretty sure is a male. He's becoming very territorial of this side of the tank!

http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac197/RichT1/_IGP2151_zpsd70f6f28.jpg

[William Palumbo]

Very, VERY nice Rich!...Luv those RT's. Great job...Bill

[RichT]

Very, VERY nice Rich!...Luv those RT's. Great job...Bill

Thanks Bill, I've always enjoyed seeing what you've done. Great to see you back!

[Kal-El]

Damn... this give me hope and excitement to raise my first batch of Piwow RT F1's from my Piwow RT pairs... They look amazing...

[RichT]

Damn... this give me hope and excitement to raise my first batch of Piwow RT F1's from my Piwow RT pairs... They look amazing...

Kal-El

Thanks, you'll get there with your pair. They just need more practice and you soon will have plenty of fry! Then you'll see what water changing is all about!!

[Skip]

DAMN GUYS!! nice!

[Kal-El]

Kal-El

Thanks, you'll get there with your pair. They just need more practice and you soon will have plenty of fry! Then you'll see what water changing is all about!!

Cannot wait... Your's looks like they are 5.5-6" now... How old are they again?

[RichT]

Cannot wait... Your's looks like they are 5.5-6" now... How old are they again?

The larger ones are ~6.5 at 9 mo on the 21st