how active should free swimming fry be?

[the20tonknuckler]

Hi. Just wondering how much movement I should expect to see from fry before they attach to the parents. Do they normally stay towards the bottom of the tank?

[John_Nicholson]

Mine never have. Even when I don't get good attachment they normally collect at the top of the tank not the bottom.

-john

[the20tonknuckler]

Thanks. Most died again over night about 7 and a half days from the time they were laid.

[the20tonknuckler]

They went from attached to the cone, to clustered at the bottom, to scattered mostly on the bottom, to mostly dead. Very few were ever swimming. They would mostly hop a bit and go back to the bottom.

[John_Nicholson]

What strain are the parents?

-john

[the20tonknuckler]

The parents are a rec turk male and blue snake female. I will try and get some pics up.

[Trier20]

Did you treat the tank with meth blue?

[the20tonknuckler]

I've been using maroxy, but only until wiggler stage.

[John_Nicholson]

OK well lack of mucus should not have been the problem. Did the pair darken up?

-john

[the20tonknuckler]

They did, but early. And then went light and dark a couple different times over the course of a day and a half.

[CliffsDiscus]

Healthy Discus have very active wrigglers, the clusters are the more healthy fry, the independent fry on the bottom are weaker then the cluster fry.
Usually around 6 1/2 to 7 days the eggs sac is fully absorb making the fry lighter, at that time they will swim up to the surface then all over the tank.
Some medication will also make the wriggler luggish, especially with TC. Sound more like the parents just don't want to take care the the fry, you need
to trigger the pair.

Cliff

[the20tonknuckler]

Not sure what TC is.

[CliffsDiscus]

Not sure what TC is.

Tetracyline

[the20tonknuckler]

Do you recommend meth blue? Does it work better then maroxy? What brand is best? How would I trigger the pair next time if that's the case?

[Trier20]

I read an article about merah blue increasing the chance of having belly sliders. That's why I was asking.

[John_Nicholson]

All of those things are to cut down on fungus/bacteria. Are you having a problem with that? If not then don't use them. If you are keeping your water clean you should not need any of them.

-john

[the20tonknuckler]

I started maroxy because I had lots of white eggs. The parents were not cleaning the white eggs off and then they would start to fungus. But that was with a different pair and it still happens. The male is probably just not very fertile. I will try not using it next time.

[CliffsDiscus]

I use Methylene Blue, Maroxy and also Acriflavine, all work well. Methylene Blue being the strongest and at the other end would be Maroxy. How I trigger the parents to signal fry,
try closing the air a few min. see if the pair will start quivering, if not shut the filter off a few min. also wiping down the tank sometime will signal the fry to attahcment.

Cliff

[CliffsDiscus]

The use of methylene blue increasing the chance of belly sliders. Many breeders do not even use Meth Blue and have sliders, so the problem would be with the breeding stock.
I have in the past only around 6 to 8 sliders out of a few thousands fry using Methylene Blue, most of the problem with Methylene Blue is from over dosing resulting in what
is called Methylene Bue poisoning.

[the20tonknuckler]

Well I get to try again. I had 2 pairs lay within hours of each other today. Both clutches are 200+. There are screens around the cones now

This time I am opting not to use the fungal med.

[the20tonknuckler]

30 hours in I cleaned off 8 white eggs. The rest of the clutch looks good from the red turk and snakeskin.

Not quite as good for the blue diamond and blue turk. 2/3 of their eggs were white at 26 hours. I cleaned the white eggs off with tweezers. There are about 70 good eggs left.

Did not use any fungal meds.

[the20tonknuckler]

Well just about all of the blue diamond's eggs that were left have gone white. There are maybe 10 eggs that still look good.

With the other pair there are about 200 eggs that are dark after 48 hours. I am hopeful. Should have wigglers by morning.

[the20tonknuckler]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/02/y2y3uma4.jpg

The parents with the good clutch

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[joshvito]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/02/y2y3uma4.jpg

The parents with the good clutch

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Great looking fish!

[the20tonknuckler]

Thanks. I will post pics of the other 2 pairs soon.

[the20tonknuckler]

This was the show tank last summer before I moved out the mating pairs
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/02/4e7e6uha.jpg

This im my pigeon blood pair.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/02/guqypugy.jpg
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[the20tonknuckler]

This is the blue pair whose eggs went white again.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/02/8yta9u9e.jpg

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