Pat's Heckel Gallery

[Second Hand Pat]

So these guys moved to the big tank for now. Sure allow them to blue up and grow.

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[DiscusBR]

They look gorgeous, Pat! Love the colors. How bit is the tank? Are there other discus there or just Heckels?

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Mauro, they are in the 230 with the Cuipeua.

[Mary10]

WOW !! Very Nice fish !!

[Vieira]

Nice fish!

[Poco]

Very nice fish Pat!

[Carolina discus]

Outstanding!!!!
You have the magic touch with wilds...

[marinum]

Very nice, looking fantastic

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Nice looking Heckels Pat. Good luck.

[Bud Smith]

Pat - you do have a way with wilds - excellent - as always

[Second Hand Pat]

WOW !! Very Nice fish !!

Thanks Mary :)


Nice fish!

Thank you Vieira.


Very nice fish Pat!

Thanks Babar, I still owe you a picture. I have not forgotten.

[Second Hand Pat]

Outstanding!!!!
You have the magic touch with wilds...

Thanks Eric, I try :D


Very nice, looking fantastic

Thanks marinum

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice looking Heckels Pat. Good luck.

Thank you Jeff, appreciate it.


Pat - you do have a way with wilds - excellent - as always

Thank you to Bud :)

[Poco]

Thanks Babar, I still owe you a picture. I have not forgotten.

No problem, whenever you can no rush.

[Joe]

nice heckels

Joe

[dadecountyalan]

beautiful pat. i think of the fish you have i like those the most

[chaoslite]

Pat,

Really nice pictures and the Heckels are lovely!

Mishka

[tolga]

Hello pat
They are beautiful. They also have a lot of character.Are they ununi heckels? How many do you have?

[nevsfish]

Hey pat lovely heckels what regimen are they from.i just picked up some unini heckels.regards lawrence

[Second Hand Pat]

nice heckels

Joe

Thank you Joe :)


beautiful pat. i think of the fish you have i like those the most

Thanks Alan, they are growing on me too.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat,

Really nice pictures and the Heckels are lovely!

Mishka

Thanks Mishka both both accounts. :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Hello pat
They are beautiful. They also have a lot of character.Are they ununi heckels? How many do you have?

Thanks Tolga, these are Demini heckels. They look similar to the Unini heckels to me. I have five. Four in the main tank and a smaller one in with the F1s.


Hey pat lovely heckels what regimen are they from.i just picked up some unini heckels.regards lawrence

Hi Lawrence, Mark said these are Demini Heckels. Perhaps the collection points are in the same locale as the Unini ?

[Second Hand Pat]

These heckel are young and about five inches so a bit of growing/maturing to do. This heckel has a lot of blue on the gill plate.

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[Second Hand Pat]

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[nevsfish]

Thanks pat I think you may be right with the collection points as my unini heckels look very similar to yours.regards lawrence

[Second Hand Pat]

Breed them Pat.

I am game Dex if they are. :D

[CrazyAngels]

Wow Pat, they are surely doing great in your care. Congrats

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow Pat, they are surely doing great in your care. Congrats

Thanks Jorge :)

[Second Hand Pat]

The tank is a mess and the fish are terribly unhappy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn3x5aPuOXY

[plecocicho]

Vibrant coulors, yeah those discus are in really bad hands :). How logn does it take them to actually swallow red wrigglers?

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks plecocicho, if the red wigglers are smaller right away. The fish will play with the worms until they are in bits and will eat them. The heckels were introduced to the red wigglers the day before.

[Second Hand Pat]

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[Second Hand Pat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pefFTXe8JE

[CrazyAngels]

Amazing beauty you have there Pat, they are drop dead gorgeous. Here is wishing you a great weekend.

[Second Hand Pat]

Ah thanks Jorge, I will begin to transition this tank back to a RO/tap mix which should make the heckels even happier.

[Second Hand Pat]

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[Second Hand Pat]

I thought heckels were slow growing...not. These guys have grown between one to one and a half inches since I got them from Mark.

This is a dark picture but I like it.

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[Second Hand Pat]

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[Second Hand Pat]

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[rdiscus]

Look awesome ... hope you can breed them some day

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Ryan, me too :)

[Second Hand Pat]

So the heckels are housed with the Cuipeua in the 230 and a couple of weeks ago I started to include RO in the WCs to bring the TDS from 230s (full tap) to a 2/3 RO to 1/3 tap mix with a target TDS of about 80. The TDS in the tank is about 100 now and the heckels are showing more blue. I was already sort of planning this so the heckels need their own dedicated tank.

[Second Hand Pat]

You guys getting bored with these guys?? :) With the drop in the TDS/GH/Ph these guys are looking more blue to me.

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[winn0923]

Super nice!

[musicmarn1]

arrrrg , just when i thought i could be PATIENT my goodness me, no seriously seeing fish this well cared for makes me patient to learn what i need to know, to raise them RIGHT. where do you get Demini Heckles, they go right to number one on my wish list now ! was settled on getting Rio Abaxcias (sp its late im too tired to google it)?

[musicmarn1]

and do domestics like the red wrigglers as much? i just spent the last month learning white worms and growing those cultures, are red wigglers as good for my normal blue based discus?

[Second Hand Pat]

I got the Demini Heckels from our sponsor Mark at Discus Origins. They are a blue based wild heckel. What wild discus come from the Rio Abaixo? other then the spelling I did not find anything.

You can use red wigglers with wild or domestics discus and the worms will not effect the discus color. I feed the smaller worms and leave the larger ones to make more babies.

[Second Hand Pat]

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[Discus Origins]

Heckels are looking good Pat :)

[Second Hand Pat]

They are doing great Mark and growing nicely.

[winn0923]

Nice heckel! What parameter are you keeping them in?


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[Second Hand Pat]

When I first got them I kept them in full up tap during QT and moving them into the 230 and slowly eased them into a 2/3 RO to 1/3 tap. TDS is about 100 or so, Gh about 70 ppm and ph about 7.2 or so.

[winn0923]

They fare much better w softer water? Are you gonna lower it more or keep it like that?

Mine thrombetas definitely doesn't like tap even go mine is only at 7.4 out of the tap


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[Second Hand Pat]

A GH of 70 ppm is considered soft. My water is not acidic however. I am leaving it for now as the heckels are growing well, eat well and are happy...plus they are not mature yet.

[Len]

they are beautiful Pat. Some new pictures would be nice :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Len, will do tomorrow night.

[Second Hand Pat]

they are beautiful Pat. Some new pictures would be nice :)

Here's a few Len. Floating a piece of DW so limited the light somewhat.

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[Len]

super nice Pat :)

[Poco]

Very nice Pat!

[winn0923]

Very nice :)


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[boscobear]

Pat, Your discus are so beautiful. That natural body color, with the spots, and bars placed for camouflage in their natural habitat. This is what has been removed in our blended discus breeding for multi coloration. Each has its explicit place in our home showcase aquariums.
The earthworms, are they home grown?
These two types of wilds, Cuipeua, and Heckel seem far more sociable to your camera, than the Tefe wilds you posted photos of a couple years ago. Could it be the camera itself, or a difference within the fish. Are both types wild caught, or aquarium F type breeding of pure wilds. The Heckels with the deep black stress bar running through their eye area does not project that glaring wild look of the red eyes as those other types. At least its not as pronounced as some of the other types. Beautiful non the less. Thanks for those terrific photos. We love looking at the natural wild forms of discus.

[Second Hand Pat]

Yes, the earthworms or red wigglers are home grown. I maintain two colonies. Regarding the picture quality between the Tefe and the Cuipeua/Heckel pictures, I received a new camera about a year ago which gives me far better picture then before. The Tefe have always be good with me taking pictures of them. Currently they are housed in a smaller (100 gallon) tank with a black background and they seem more incline to show their bars in this tank then when they are in the 230 gallon tank with a more natural background.

The heckels have a more muted eye; just a hint of red vs the full red eye of the Tefe and Cuipeua.

[plecocicho]

Contrary to what some "experts" say, black eye heckels are wilds too, its just that red eye is more sought for. Some idiots on one discus championship even tried to disqualify black-eyed heckels, cause they were in a "wrong" section of wild discus.

[Second Hand Pat]

Fredo, how were the wilds being separated?.. by eye color?

[plecocicho]

No, phenotype corerctly (heckel, green, blue, brown (althought they are the same species)). Its just they argued tahta black-eyed are hybrids and so have to be in a open class. I cant link you that story, cause i read it quite a few years ago. Discus classes have always been a hot topic and soem classes are very poor defined, eg red discus. It can ve san merah, pigeon based, virgin red or of wild ancestory just like the original Schmidt-Foecke.