Got ripped off

[yogi_58718]

Well I just bought two pairs of Discus from Rain forest Farms ( Tom Meador ) I bought a breeding pair of Marlboro reds ( and I received White face cherry's. ) The other breeder pair was Marlboro yellows. Now he never said what size these breeders were but I'm expecting 5-6 inch fish. LOL your not going to believe what was sent to me for $550.00 The largest fish was 3 3/4 long and the smallest was 3 inch and he calls these mated pairs. Now I'm going to be honest I don't know a lot about Discus except what I have read but I'm sure that a 3 3/4 fish will not breed. Any way I called Tom and he swore that these fish have laid eggs and hatched fry LOL. Will not give refund. Jeff

[wdeleon01]

It just depends how old the fish are and if they are stunted it could be possible. I have a couple of fish that started around 4.5 but I dont separate them to a breeding tank till they are bigger.

[Chad Hughes]

First off, Welcome to Simply Discus!

Sorry to hear about this. Had logged on and read about RFI here on Simply, you wouldn't have made that mistake.

If you bought two "pair" from him at $550, you're not too bad off. Usually one pair will run $500~$700. If the $550 included shipping, you didn't get raked over the coals too badly. So, if I understand this correctly, you only paid about $100 per fish. Not that they are worth that or that you didn't get ripped off but there are degrees of getting ripped off.

[JOSNNGUYEN]

I'm not a breeding expert here but I read a lot of thread And posted in here, I dont think 3 1/2 inches is mature enough to breed. And for $500? I think that is too much. Check out DiscusHan, he is having a lot of pairs but less than that plus his discus sure bigger than what you paid for. Sorry for that but next time please do buy discus from SD sponsors here and you will never regret.

[Discus-n00b]

Could easily be "mature" enough.....just stunted which IMO is probably the case with Rainforest. Sorry to hear about your experience, a lot of us have been in similar situations when we started so we feel your pain.

[lipadj46]

It stinks but I think most of us here started with poor quality discus before we found simplydiscus. On the bright side now that you found this site you have access to the highest quality discus in the USA.

sent from an undisclosed location using morse code

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Its to bad that your first experience with pairs turned out to your dislike. At that size as mentioned either they are runts, will in turn not breed very large fish or he was just trying to "sex" them for you. In either case, this is why most people will only buy pairs that are confirmed and have pictures or video to prove it.

Have you talked to them about your situation? That would be your first step.

[yogi_58718]

Each fish cost $137.50 Ea. The $ is not the problem the size of the fish are because I don't believe these fish have ever bred. The largest fish was only 3 3/4. When I talked to Hans he suggested that I should join Simply and post this. I would of rather paid $550.00 and got one nice pair from Hans. Jeff

[yogi_58718]

Yes I have and he says their breeding, laying, hatching with fry. He will never make me believe it. Filed claim with PayPal.

[nemo24]

Post pics if you can, (you might need a few more posts) maybe someone here can tell you if they are stunted.

[yogi_58718]

How can I post a picture. I have a few

[lipadj46]

How can I post a picture. I have a few

think you need a few more posts, just post a bunch of times in this thread. best way is to upload photos to photobucket and paste in the IMG code they provide.

[nemo24]

You need more then 10 posts i believe.

[yogi_58718]

ok thanks

[chocolatefish]

WOW with that money you paid for...I will definetely buy from Hans.

[yogi_58718]

Well that's a mistake I will never make again. I could of bought 16 5-6 inch discus from my wholesaler, but a lot of breeders dump their males and old pairs to them. So I decided to go on line. I ran into this web sit by Rain tree I thought heck this guy was in business for like 30 yrs. so I felt safe buying from him oops.

[CrazyAngels]

You can also get a photobucket account to load pictures on the Thread, just copy and paste the links from photobucket when you write the post and pictures will show up.

[yogi_58718]

Thanks much going to do that right now or I should say going to try lol

[wdeleon01]

Thanks much going to do that right now or I should say going to try lol

You need one more post or your going to have problems

[Elliots]

Please post on SD your results with PayPal.

[yogi_58718]

Ok thanks

[Ryan]

You can post links to pictures with less than 10 posts, you just have to wait for a mod or admin to approve the post before it appears.

Size has nothing to do with spawning fish. It's the age that matters. If they have spawned, the fish are stunted/runts.

Also, I am moving this thread to the Product & Livestock Reviews forum.

[yogi_58718]

Well I just heard from PayPal they do not cover fish / live animals So my next step was to file a claim with bill me later. When I talked to them on the phone and told them what happened and about the statements I have from some good breeders and plus some forum statements from other sites she said I can tell you right now your going to get your money back. The only thing that saved me was that I used Bill me later.

[Allwin]

post the pic pls!!!

[yogi_58718]

I don't know how to post a pic

[Len]

The easiest way to post a pic is to use something like imageshack.us just open a free account there and you can upload your picture. Then it will provide you to a link that you can post here. When you're typing a post just click the third icon from the left right above where you are typing and paste the link in the box that comes up and then click ok.

[yogi_58718]

Not to sure what to do but I did get photo bucket and still don't know what to do. If you need an engine rebuilt II can do that or if you need a house built I can also do that but computers LOL for get it I suck at it.

[Ryan]

- Log into Photobucket
- Click the "Upload" tab
- Click the Browse button to search for pictures on your computer to upload
- Once you select the files, a green progress bar will appear showing the uploading of the picture(s)
- When the upload is finished, click on the picture
- Off to the right side, there is a menu that says "Links to share this photo"
- Click the IMG option to copy it, then paste it into a reply here (you can paste by right-clicking and selecting Paste or by clicking Ctrl+V on your keyboard)

You should see a link that looks like this in your reply:

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/xxx/YourUsernameHere/picture_filename.jpg

Then just post your reply as normal and it should show up as an image:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j49/ryansmith83/photo3_zpsda95eecb.jpg

[yogi_58718]

http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y525/yogi_58718/ThreeinchWhitefacecherrydrago001_zps2f8e22f5.jpg (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/yogi_58718/media/ThreeinchWhitefacecherrydrago001_zps2f8e22f5.jpg.h tml) I think I did it LOL This is one of the fish that is a mated pair in the pic the net is 3"

[Elliots]

Thanks for the reply about PayPal. I am glad I only use a credit card. I think I have more protection if there is a problem.

[DiscusLoverJeff]

If you not get the results you are looking for from Rainforest, you can also file a report with the Better Business Bureau.

I hope this gets resolved. Based on the picture, they are still at the juvie stage or just some sad looking runts.

[nemo24]

See if you can post a picture of the whole fish in your aquarium with eyeball shots. I think the experts here can tell you more if they are runts. Hopefully they are just juvies.

[barkmanusd]

...as a member of S.D. i hope you get your money or some consideration back. But, honestly I have to say the op shares some responsibility. He ordered fish from a breeder he's never done business without asking their size? (I ask Kenny for pics and sizes for fish I know will be great!) He was charged a slightly high price for 3- 3.5 discus but nothing outrageous. He hasn't attempted to breed them and verified they aren't breeders.
Not trying to add salt to an open wound but a reality check could be in order. Good luck!

[Len]

...as a member of S.D. i hope you get your money or some consideration back. But, honestly I have to say the op shares some responsibility. He ordered fish from a breeder he's never done business without asking their size? (I ask Kenny for pics and sizes for fish I know will be great!) He was charged a slightly high price for 3- 3.5 discus but nothing outrageous. He hasn't attempted to breed them and verified they aren't breeders.
Not trying to add salt to an open wound but a reality check could be in order. Good luck!

While it is a good idea to do homework before purchasing from anyone, I don't think much of the responsibility in this case fall on the OP. He didn't even get the type of discus he ordered. Unfortunately, through the lack of experience new people have in ordering fish from breeders/retailers, businesses like RFI continue to do business even though there is a wealth of information out there that would dissuade anyone from doping business from them. Regardless of any of that though, he didn't get what he was promised and what he did get was poor quality and it is reasonable for him to expect compensation.

[barkmanusd]

While it is a good idea to do homework before purchasing from anyone, I don't think much of the responsibility in this case fall on the OP. He didn't even get the type of discus he ordered. Unfortunately, through the lack of experience new people have in ordering fish from breeders/retailers, businesses like RFI continue to do business even though there is a wealth of information out there that would dissuade anyone from doping business from them. Regardless of any of that though, he didn't get what he was promised and what he did get was poor quality and it is reasonable for him to expect compensation.
Absolutely right on not getting the variety of discus he requested. I had forgotten that.
I was offering my opinion as a general buyer of ..well anything actually. Caveat emptor!
I used to sell electronics on EBAY and got really frustrated when some buyers weren't familiar enough with a technology they ordered and felt 'ripped off' thru no fault of minne. Like SD vendors I learned the larger picture is to make even those unfair situations 'right'.
i guess SD offers a way for novice discus buyers to purchase w/out all the info. Hopefully, the OP simply takes this route next time. Thanks!

[yogi_58718]

I wil

[yogi_58718]

Well this is the best I can di for a photo of the 3" Marlboro Redhttp://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y525/yogi_58718/smallreds001_zps2671fde2.jpg (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/yogi_58718/media/smallreds001_zps2671fde2.jpg.html)http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y525/yogi_58718/smallreds001_zps2671fde2.jpg (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/yogi_58718/media/smallreds001_zps2671fde2.jpg.html)?

[yogi_58718]

Ok I posted a good picture. Its under got ripped off 2

[yogi_58718]

I posted a new pic its under got ripped off 2

[yogi_58718]

Well about the size, I bought breeders so the fish should be 5" - 6" Who heard of 3" breeders? And pictures if you don't have anything in the tank for scale what do you go by? The pic he sent was a close up. Jeff

[April]

I would say they are breeding as they are hormoned which makes the start laying at thst size.
We all had that happen when all thr first leopards came to USA. They were hormoned and laying like crazy at 3.5 inches

[April]

Yep I wouldn't call that a breeder! It's a juvenile you better hope! Do lots of wcs and hope they grow.
One way to tell if an older discus is their two long fins should've long. Not short.

[CrazyAngels]

I just can't understand how RFI has not been taken out of business by now. So sorry you are going through this, but that discus IMO is definitely not a breeder.

[Discus-Hans]

Better Business Bureau, please don't let me laugh. Ever seen all complaints about something stinky fishy???? And they are still in business.

You know, I can't understand people like this can sleep at night,

Hans

[JOSNNGUYEN]

Actually I am not surprised. People now a day do whatever it take to get their money. We're just have to becareful in what we do or buy.

[Elliots]

This RFI guy seems so bad he cannot even offer a "I may not know better" excuse. That my be possible for stunted fish but not the wrong color fish! To be nice I can only say he is "Dishonest"

[Second Hand Pat]

Next he will be sending guppies in place of discus.

[lifan23]

That fish doesnt look stunted to me, it just looks like a regular juvenile you can get from the importers here for about $35, except you paid a lot more.

I have experience with the Better Business Bureau and I can tell you they wont be able to do anything. All they can do is send them a letter which will be ignored.

[yogi_58718]

lmfao lol

[yogi_58718]

I don't know what kind of discus that are in your pictures, but they are cool looking. What are they?

[Second Hand Pat]

I don't know what kind of discus that are in your pictures, but they are cool looking. What are they?

If you are asking me they are wild discus called Cuipeua which are a red based discus from the Alenquer region.

[yogi_58718]

It seems that my account has been disabled or something.I don't think that it is right if it was about that address, its public record any one can see it or assess it? I'm new to this site so maybe I am not doing this right?