two discus laying completly on side another leaning on glass

[perea1419]

1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started them?

discus started laying on the side but they would still eat and then go back to laying down, started 2 weeks ago

2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).

now they are not eating and seem to have a dent or the sides sucked in.


3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.

I tried Epson salt and the poop came out black, also 4 days of metro and focus, and now I am doing a prazipro

Tank/Water

4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.

20g QT tank 2 4inch and 1 5 inch

5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).

100% water change everyday

6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?
bb QT tank with sponge filter from their tank

7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.

yes for 24hrs

8. Parameters and water source;


Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.



- temp _____ 86

- ph _____ 7.6

- ammonia reading ____0

- nitrite reading ____0

- nitrate reading ____0

What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.

- well water ____

- municipal water __x__

- RO water ____


9. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.

nothing new added when they got sick

10. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.

[lipadj46]

Once they start staying on their sides like that they are pretty far gone. I'm thinking an internal infection. Can you get your hands on kanamyacin fast? You need to treat at something like 10x's the dose on the bottle. On a 20 g though it would not be too expensive. Else just keep up with the clean water, not sure prazi will help at this point.

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[perea1419]

Oh that's a big bummer. Does this happen often or is it something I did?

What about my altum flora he doesn't Kay down he's just belly rubbing the bottom of the tank. If he dies I will never hear the end of it with the wifey that's her favorite.

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[perea1419]

Could I use kenaplex it has 60% kanamycin

[lipadj46]

Yes it is just expensive for what you get. Plus you need to dose much more than on the label somewhere around 300 mg per gallon but search here and double check

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[lipadj46]

If the kanamyacin is too expensive furan 2 has a component that is absorbed bur you need to double or triple the dose (again the bottle directions are different than what is recommended by Eddie I believe)

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