Breeding Log 2

[Kal-El]

This thread is a continuation from my Second Try at Breeding (http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?108027-Second-Try-at-Breeding) Thread.

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My new rookie male did what all rookies do and ate the eggs. All eggs are now gone but they are at it again and cleaning the cone and doing practice pass. We'll see in a few days when the female is ready to lay eggs if the male will eat the eggs or not. The waits starts now... :D

[MKD]

cross my fingers. Best of luck!!!

[Kal-El]

cross my fingers. Best of luck!!!

Thanks Tony.

[Brotoss]

Just curious what ratio of RO water did you use for you're breeding tank?

[Kal-El]

Just curious what ratio of RO water did you use for you're breeding tank?

No RO. Just strait age tap water...

[pastry]

kalel, they're horrible. just stop now before you waste anymore time and effort and send them to me. that's what friends are for.

[Kal-El]

kalel, they're horrible. just stop now before you waste anymore time and effort and send them to me. that's what friends are for.
LOL Elliot, I'm hook and cannot stop... Too much time was already invested... Although I could always send you some future fry for some of those plants... ;)

[pastry]

hmmmm... I like you're thinking... YOU already know that even though I'm a red/brown-based discus bubba that I have a weak spot for Piwow RT's :)

I've been saving space for whether or not to pull the trigger on some blue faced browns but I'll follow closely, my friend. and just remember, regardless what kind of forum we're in, we're all a bunch of picture whores!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! keep'em coming! and keep'em coming often! ("in" before someone says, "that's what she said")

[jav31]

Any updates Kalel? Interested to see if the eggs were fertilized.

[Kal-El]

Any updates Kalel? Interested to see if the eggs were fertilized.

I'm still out of town... Will update when I return on Tuesday.

[Kal-El]

Update: 9/17

Come home this morning and they are on eggs. Not sure when it was laid but I believe Sunday or yesterday. We will see what happens in a few days. The new male is standing guard while the female is doing most of the egg watching.
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[Kal-El]

As of this morning eggs are still there. Only two eggs that I can see turned white. The rest looks like they are fertilize since they are starting to darken in the middle. Will wait till I see wriggler before I say I have a confirm male. This new male doesn't seem to like guarding the eggs as the female is doing all the work. She may be small but a very good female.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/DA93BF2F-C113-4A71-94CF-A4B5F8E074ED-707-000000546B94F4BB_zps64a4aa1e.jpg

[84mos]

Looking good cant wait to see this guys tomorrow.

[CliffsDiscus]

Looks like you got some fertile eggs, good luck with this batch.

Cliff

[Kal-El]

Looking good cant wait to see this guys tomorrow.



Looks like you got some fertile eggs, good luck with this batch.

Cliff

Thanks guys...

[Kal-El]

It's official! New male is now confirmed. Got wriggler this morning. I expect my female will continue to lead the new male in this process. So far wriggler on there second try together is amazing.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/883939B9-2405-4A40-B037-C70F71F15C2F-372-00000026D744B2FD_zps16b9242b.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/31E7F1C3-089E-4F9E-AB5A-3ECB80DF2902-372-00000029D33583F9_zpsfab8343d.jpg

[jav31]

Awesome!!! Great news. Good luck!!!

[mastermamo]

Woooop woooop well done

[Kal-El]

Awesome!!! Great news. Good luck!!!


Woooop woooop well done

Thanks guys. Now we will see in a few days if they will attached.

[84mos]

thanks for having me over it was nice meeting you hopefully the wigglers make it this time good luck ill keep you posted on the proven male again thanks.

[Kal-El]

thanks for having me over it was nice meeting you hopefully the wigglers make it this time good luck ill keep you posted on the proven male again thanks.

Anytime buddy. It was great meeting you. I hope the male works out for you and your female.

[Allwin]

Good luck on your awesome job!!!


It's official! New male is now confirmed. Got wriggler this morning. I expect my female will continue to lead the new male in this process. So far wriggler on there second try together is amazing.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/883939B9-2405-4A40-B037-C70F71F15C2F-372-00000026D744B2FD_zps16b9242b.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/31E7F1C3-089E-4F9E-AB5A-3ECB80DF2902-372-00000029D33583F9_zpsfab8343d.jpg

[Kal-El]

Good luck on your awesome job!!!

Thanks Allwin. This pair is doing a great job so far raising this batch of 80+ wriggler

[PP_GBR]

Awesome K.

@ Allwin

Cann't wait to see it happen for u soon.

[Kal-El]

All wriggler are doing well tonight. Picture taken after 25% WC.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/5F105791-6AF6-47F9-BEA8-EC4CF0F5EC43-1544-00000132B212AFE4_zpsecf38623.jpg

[Bill63SG]

Looking good.Lets hope they dont become tasty free swimmers.

[Kal-El]

Looking good.Lets hope they dont become tasty free swimmers.
Bill, don't jinks them... Lol

[marinum]

wonderful

[jav31]

Looking good! It's exciting watching them progress. My fry have grown so quickly. Hoping nothing but the best for you!!!

[Kal-El]

Looking good! It's exciting watching them progress. My fry have grown so quickly. Hoping nothing but the best for you!!!
Thanks buddy... I hope when I back home tomorrow the wriggler have gone free swimming and attached to the parents. Crossing finger.

[Trier20]

Alright! I'm with Bill I hope they don't eat the wriggs or when they go free swimming. Kind of surprised they haven't darkened up yet though. I'm sure they will make some super parents though! Good luck with them

[Kal-El]

Alright! I'm with Bill I hope they don't eat the wriggs or when they go free swimming. Kind of surprised they haven't darkened up yet though. I'm sure they will make some super parents though! Good luck with them
I have never seen the female darken during her breeding journey. This new male has a few time so maybe the male can darken and lead the way. Not sure why they don't darken like other pairs that I've seen. We will see how thing are when I'm back in the morning.

[Kal-El]

Well thanks to Bill LOL he jinks my pair and the free swimmer are all eaten up. I assume they must have been hungry during my three day weekend away from home or probably the inexperience male ate them up. They are at it again so probably new batch of eggs soon.

[jav31]

Sorry to hear that. We both know to be patient and they'll figure it out.

Like always, keep us updated.

[Bill63SG]

Well thanks to Bill LOL he jinks my pair and the free swimmer are all eaten up. I assume they must have been hungry during my three day weekend away from home or probably the inexperience male ate them up. They are at it again so probably new batch of eggs soon.

Just speaking from experience,sigh.

[Kal-El]

Just speaking from experience,sigh.
Bill, your experience was dead on... Hopefully next batch is the one...

[Trier20]

Well thanks to Bill LOL he jinks my pair and the free swimmer are all eaten up. I assume they must have been hungry during my three day weekend away from home or probably the inexperience male ate them up. They are at it again so probably new batch of eggs soon.

I figured that would happen since the parents didn't darken up. They'll get it eventually!

[Kal-El]

On eggs again. They do not waste time. We will see how they do on their third try together...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/9E4C6007-4ED0-40BC-B68A-7DDA86F9AC28-2402-000002818CB2519C_zpsb2325dc4.jpg

[jav31]

Good luck!

[William Palumbo]

Good luck Kale with this new spawn/pairing. Can't wait for my Piwos from Josie to reach size and start spawning too!...Bill

[Kal-El]

Those piwow grow fast so in no time you'll have your own pair too. Keep us posted on your pair...

[Kal-El]

Looks like the batch of Wriggler may be going free swimmer in a day or two... I have change my routine of not doing WC until free swimmer stage to doing 25% WC daily in the morning and about 5% at night after each feeding (Two feeding per day). So far no issue with the wriggler (about 80-90 wriggler). My question is can I do a bigger WC (50%) using age tap water while they are wriggler stage to free swimmer or just keep doing smaller daily 25% WC in the morning and 5% at night? I've also try wiping down the inside of the tank but once I get close to the breeding area the male will not let me any where near it. Should I continue trying to wipe down the tank or just leave it be until they go free swimmer/attached?

[William Palumbo]

I know everyone does it differently, but I do NO tank maintenance at all until fry are attached. I see no reason to disturb them. Most times it's best to just stay away! All the best...Bill

[Kal-El]

I know everyone does it differently, but I do NO tank maintenance at all until fry are attached. I see no reason to disturb them. Most times it's best to just stay away! All the best...Bill

Thanks Bill... All the info I've read on here very with most recommend doing daily WC... Some have no issue like you doing no WC/Tank maintenance until attached while otherwise keep the tank very clean and daily WC including wiping down the tank... I guess I'll keep doing the current WC regime without wiping down the tank keeping the tank as clean as possible until they attached. We'll see what happens. Anyone experience with breeding are welcome to chime in...

[Allwin]

Glad, its going on well. No jinxing this time. but don't forget to share pics once u find time..

[Bill63SG]

I do minimal to none until attached.Then the next couple of days is getting the water level back up.

[Kal-El]

I do minimal to none until attached.Then the next couple of days is getting the water level back up.

I did this with the last pair with no success. Fry kept dieing after WC when I did this. Trying to get the wriggler use to my WC regime so they don't die during attachment period and WC. So far it's working and no lost wriggler yet. Wonder if your success has to do with you mixing in RO and tap water. We will see if my new approached works out for me.

[Bill63SG]

I don't mix ro and tap unless you count the ro they are in and me raising the level with tap.

[Kal-El]

I don't mix ro and tap unless you count the ro they are in and me raising the level with tap.
That might be it... For now we will see if this different approach works out for this batch.

[OC Discus]

Great looking fish!

[OC Discus]

Ha Ha


kalel, they're horrible. just stop now before you waste anymore time and effort and send them to me. that's what friends are for.

[OC Discus]

What size is your breeding tank?


It's official! New male is now confirmed. Got wriggler this morning. I expect my female will continue to lead the new male in this process. So far wriggler on there second try together is amazing.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/883939B9-2405-4A40-B037-C70F71F15C2F-372-00000026D744B2FD_zps16b9242b.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/31E7F1C3-089E-4F9E-AB5A-3ECB80DF2902-372-00000029D33583F9_zpsfab8343d.jpg

[Kal-El]

What size is your breeding tank?

29 gallon.

[84mos]

Good luck kale hopefully this new approach does the trick

[Kal-El]

Good luck kale hopefully this new approach does the trick

Thanks.

[Kal-El]

Right now there are a few wriggler going free swimmer and the two parents are having a blast casing and catching them and spiting them back on the cone. I took this as a sign to lower my water level down to 2" above the cone. Left just an airstone. The sponge went to my main tank to reseed. So far everything is going well. The new male is an excellent parent and is actually darkening himself while the female is it's normal color. He is very protective of the spawn site and as a result he has attack me too many times to count when I did WC and siphon out waste and left over food. I have a feeling if I get attachment that the male will be where all the free swimmer will go first.

[jav31]

Very exciting!!! Fingers crossed for attachment!!!

[Kal-El]

Attachment process is now in process. Male has darken and free swimmer are swimming to him. Hopefully this is it. The male is slowly swimming to where some of the free swimmers are and waiting there for them to go to him. I've also cover the front with a white garbage bag to prevent any disturbance during this important process. My questions now is should I hold WC untill all free swimmer has attached or continue to do daily WC carfully during this process without siphoning out the free swimmer?

[Bill63SG]

I'd wait another 24hrs for attachment unless the tank is filthy,and I know yours arent.

[Kal-El]

I'd wait another 24hrs for attachment unless the tank is filthy,and I know yours arent.
you know my tanks well... lol Thanks

[Kal-El]

So the free swimmer are starting to attached to the parents going back and forth between the pair and the cone. My questions is should I remove the cone now or wait to see if in the morning all have left the cone and stay with the parents?

[84mos]

exciting any pics

[Bill63SG]

I keep the cone in.Gives them some structure to focus on in the tank.

[Kal-El]

I end up taking the cone out last night. This morning most have attached to either parents. You can see in the video there are some that still like it skim the water surface. Any reason for that and will those attached?


http://youtu.be/aOnKW1Xv6ss

[Kal-El]

Ok... I solve my problem this morning with the remaining free swimmer that did not attach. I lower the water down to the top of the parents dorsal fin and BAM the remaining free swimmer all attached. I have hold up feeding the parents until later this evening. Don't want waste to spoil the water while I'm at work.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVhZKjR4dCw

[84mos]

Amazing congrats thanks for sharing the videos

[Kal-El]

Amazing congrats thanks for sharing the videos

You welcome. I'm just happy things are going smoothly with this spawn so far... Both parents are great and this new dad was the missing link... He constantly scoop up the stray fry and clean and spit them out. The fry then swims back to him after... Amazing to see... As this is all new to me... Biggest spawn I've had gone Free Swimming and attached...

[Second Hand Pat]

Kale, how exciting for you and nail biting all at the same time. Congrats on attachment, this is a big step.
Pat

[William Palumbo]

Looking good Kale!...Finally, huh!. Welcome to the world of breeding. All the best with them...Bill

[Kal-El]

Kale, how exciting for you and nail biting all at the same time. Congrats on attachment, this is a big step.
Pat


Looking good Kale!...Finally, huh!. Welcome to the world of breeding. All the best with them...Bill

There is so much that's involve in breeding... I'm glad with each spawn I'm learning with these two... I think I'm getting the hang now with this pair's habits and tendency... Now the next challenge is to keep the water clean, feed them BBS, and keep this pair and their new baby happy... Patient is an understatement when it comes to breeding Discus... ;)

[William Palumbo]

Patience is key!...You'll be good for a few days while the fry feed from the parents...but once you start feeding BBS, you really have to keep the tank CLEAN, which looks like you do anyways. Dead BBS is nasty, and glass needs to be wiped down well...Bill

[Kal-El]

Patience is key!...You'll be good for a few days while the fry feed from the parents...but once you start feeding BBS, you really have to keep the tank CLEAN, which looks like you do anyways. Dead BBS is nasty, and glass needs to be wiped down well...Bill

Great advice Bill... will definitely pay attention to that. Will probably do WC after every feeding to ensure water quality is not being affected.

[jav31]

Congrats on the attachment!!! Looks like you have a great plan in motion for WC. You'll be amazed at the growth rate of the fry.

[Kal-El]

Congrats on the attachment!!! Looks like you have a great plan in motion for WC. You'll be amazed at the growth rate of the fry.

Yep... I'm sure they will grow fast... Each day is going to be exciting to see... Also, my wife finally said to me this morning as we watch the pair "Good job babe! i know i give you a hard time about ALL your fishes but im so proud of you! How exciting"... :D

[jav31]

Yep... I'm sure they will grow fast... Each day is going to be exciting to see... Also, my wife finally said to me this morning as we watch the pair "Good job babe! i know i give you a hard time about ALL your fishes but im so proud of you! How exciting"... :D

Haha...I got the same as well from my Finance. Until...she saw the 40g being setup for grow out. Lol!!!

[Kal-El]

So I came home from work and notice half my free swimmer missing and thought my pair ate them. What I didn't realize was they were at the bottom front seam hidden from my my front view. I look over the top and notice the other half swimming at the bottom and the parents behind them. I reach in and push water to them to force them to swim back to the parents. They are with the parents now. Is it normal for some fry to do that and not stay with the parents or do they only go to the parents when they need to feed?

[William Palumbo]

Not normal Kal, but glad they re attached. At that young age they are feeding ALL the time. When they get about thumbnail size, then they wonder about the tank hunting for food. All the best, as you will see that every time you get over one obstacle, there are several more waiting!...Bill

[Kal-El]

Not normal Kal, but glad they re attached. At that young age they are feeding ALL the time. When they get about thumbnail size, then they wonder about the tank hunting for food. All the best, as you will see that every time you get over one obstacle, there are several more waiting!...Bill
Thanks Bill... Always something to over come... Lol... I will keep an eye on them...

[Kal-El]

A sad evening here... Came home and all my free swimmer are all eaten again. So disappointed, this was a great batch of fry that attached. Why they ate them I have no idea. Very frustrating, not sure which one ate them, I'm guessing the female as this happen with the previous male.

[jav31]

Very sorry to hear that!!! You have established a great plan and hopefully they'll get it right the next time. You'll probably have to remove the female once they reach wiggler stage again.

[Bill63SG]

All the best, as you will see that every time you get over one obstacle, there are several more waiting!...Bill

Welcome to the rollercoaster.
Process of elimination.Next,pull female after they spawn,or not.Still young pair,see if they can get it right.

[Kal-El]

Very sorry to hear that!!! You have established a great plan and hopefully they'll get it right the next time. You'll probably have to remove the female once they reach wiggler stage again.


Welcome to the rollercoaster.
Process of elimination.Next,pull female after they spawn,or not.Still young pair,see if they can get it right.

I will let them try one more time together. If this happens again I'm removing the female. I'll be patient and give them time. So frustrating to see a good batch go like this. They were growing big with each passing day.

[Kal-El]

I also notice the female has a full stomach when the male looks normal and I haven't feed them yet... Pretty sure the female is eating the fry. I will give her another crack at it. If she does it again she is going to the dog house after the wriggler stage.

[William Palumbo]

Sorry to hear Kale. But yes, usually the females are the main culprits. Pull her next time, the male can handle the fry...or what works for me is when the pair can see other fish in a tank next to them, it makes them more protective. I had a SS pair, and that was the ONLY way they would raise fry...Bill

[Bill63SG]

I doubt you noticed on my 20's,but you can pull a divider inbetween them so the tanks can look into each other or slip it back in.Learned that from Bill.

[Kal-El]

Sorry to hear Kale. But yes, usually the females are the main culprits. Pull her next time, the male can handle the fry...or what works for me is when the pair can see other fish in a tank next to them, it makes them more protective. I had a SS pair, and that was the ONLY way they would raise fry...Bill


I doubt you noticed on my 20's,but you can pull a divider inbetween them so the tanks can look into each other or slip it back in.Learned that from Bill.

Always great when both Bill are giving me great advice :) Now that you guys gave me some ideas I'm setting up a 20 gal high for this pair that will be facing my other tanks (less space for fry to swing) I hope that will make them more protective over their fry. I think I'm going to move the female after wriggler stage and see if my male who is actually a better parent can handle it on its own. I just don't seem to want and risk another lost...

[rdub]

Wow, this is a great thread! Learning so much. What are your water parameters?

[Kal-El]

Wow, this is a great thread! Learning so much. What are your water parameters?

TDS: 145
PH: 8.0

Daily 25% WC on my breeding tank once on egg. I don't use RO (Just age Tap water) and still get a good hatch rate of about 95% of the eggs hatched.

I hope the issue I'm encounter is something others can learn from when they have the same issue. They are now cleaning the cone again. Once on wriggler the female is going into the main tank. I'm just going to have the male raise the fry... He's a better parent than the female.. Just don't want to lost another good batch of fry again... Once I have a batch I'll let the female try to get it right after...

[jav31]

Good plan. Luckily for me, my female didn't eat the eggs. The male was definitely the better parent with the fry on him over 80% of the time.

My pair are back in their own tank so I'm wondering how soon until they go at it again.

Just think where we would be if we didn't have SD and it's wonderful members to guide and assist us.

[Kal-El]

Good plan. Luckily for me, my female didn't eat the eggs. The male was definitely the better parent with the fry on him over 80% of the time.

My pair are back in their own tank so I'm wondering how soon until they go at it again.

Just think where we would be if we didn't have SD and it's wonderful members to guide and assist us.

My female is great up until she started eating free swimmer... if she didn't do that I would have couple batch of nice Piwow RT F1 growing out right now :(

Good luck and hopefully they'll spawn a bigger batch for you...

[Magoo40]

This is a great thread, question, do Discus spawn all year round or are they seasonal. Are ther any tricks in getting them to spawn?

[Kal-El]

This is a great thread, question, do Discus spawn all year round or are they seasonal. Are ther any tricks in getting them to spawn?

I'm new to it as you are... I would say they will spawn and stop when ever they feel like it. As for my pair they have continuously spawn when the female is ready to laid eggs... I'll let the more season breeder chime in...

[mastermamo]

This is like reading a good novel with each new page being written on a new day. Nice one Kal

[Kal-El]

This is like reading a good novel with each new page being written on a new day. Nice one Kal
Lol it is kinda like a novel. With each closing chapter the next chapter starts off with a new problem.. Lol hopefully my next spawn I can finally finish the book. LOL

[mastermamo]

Lol it is kinda like a novel. With each closing chapter the next chapter starts off with a new problem.. Lol hopefully my next spawn I can finally finish the book. LOL

Or start the next volume perhaps?

[Kal-El]

Here we go again, on eggs. They are also now in a 20 gallon high instead of 29 gallon.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/2BD45D13-ABB9-4E1C-8346-2F6F57E289FD-745-0000009F0D742CB9_zps31c9c73c.jpg

[rdub]

Your sponge filter looks light in color. Is it?

[PP_GBR]

K, lots of eggs. Good luck this time.

[Kal-El]

Your sponge filter looks light in color. Is it?
It's gray... Lights shining on it makes it look even lighter...

[Kal-El]

Eggs about to hatch so I took out my female. Now this spawn is all up to my male to take care of. He's faning the eggs with no issue. I expect wriggler either tonight or tomorrow morning. All the male in my 75 gallon are going crazing over my female RT where I put her. She's section off by her self with an egg crate. The male continues to swim by showing off to her, while he is just there enjoying her vacation.

[mastermamo]

Good luck

[jav31]

Hoping nothing but the best on this try.

[Kal-El]

It's been a while but here's an update to the latest spawn.

Sunday Night 10/6 - Spawn went to wriggler stage.
Monday morning 10/7 - I found the wriggler all over the tank bottom that morning. It seems the poor male was still very inexperience at keeping the wrigglers together on the cone. I help him out by doing this.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c145/imageher/2E3F3275-6116-4785-9C21-E7C60BB1A592-2867-00000302E75E6B66_zps836837b5.jpg
I siphon them into my little container and good thing the wriggler were able to stick on to it. This really help the male out as the wriggler are not able to go anywhere but within the container.


Wednesday night 10/9 - Wriggler went free swimming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcFRsP9mPVs
So far the male has done a very good job on his own and I'm very proud of him. Some fry are growing faster/bigger than other but I guess that's normal. The only issue/concerns I have now is that the male will not eat and only wants to focus on fry. Is this normal?


The male has done a great job at raising this batch without the female. Also, I've just started feeding BBS but only a few are eating them. I will continue to introduce BBS to them before each WC until they are all eating them.

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice, looks like you are well on your way. Nice idea on the smaller container and appears dad accepted it right off.

[jav31]

Great job!!! Very happy you're at another step forward!!!

[Kal-El]

Nice, looks like you are well on your way. Nice idea on the smaller container and appears dad accepted it right off.

I had to come up with something quick that morning before heading to work so I was extremely happy that it worked out for the male. Now to try and raise this batch with the male. I just hope he doesn't get burnt out with the constant feeding from the fry and start to eat again. I may introduce the female to help once the fry are bigger and the female isn't able to eat them.

[Bill63SG]

I wouldnt re-introduce the female,she would probably kill the spawn after being in a different tank.Dont worry about the male,just feed him and clean up what he dosent ear.They've been doing this for a 1000yrs.Hell eat when hes ready.

[Kal-El]

I wouldnt re-introduce the female,she would probably kill the spawn after being in a different tank.Dont worry about the male,just feed him and clean up what he dosent ear.They've been doing this for a 1000yrs.Hell eat when hes ready.

Thanks Bill... Makes a lot of sense...

[Bill63SG]

I went and looked at the video,not a huge spawn,you'll/he'll be fine.

[Kal-El]

I went and looked at the video,not a huge spawn,you'll/he'll be fine.

Yeah... this spawn was small lost quite a few wriggler when the male failed to do a good job a cleaning and watching them... I'm looking at about 40-50 fry...

[pastry]

Kalel, the container idea was pretty damn brilliant. Awesome awesome and I've really enjoyed this thread! keep it going boss!

[Kal-El]

Kalel, the container idea was pretty damn brilliant. Awesome awesome and I've really enjoyed this thread! keep it going boss!

Thanks Elliot. I was glad the container worked out otherwise it would have been another disaster attempt... Hoping nothing but the best from here on out. Just from all the ups and down with this pair I now know what each parents weakness and strength. From knowing that I should be able to get a bigger batch next time around ;)

[Bill63SG]

Thanks Elliot. I was glad the container worked out otherwise it would have been another disaster attempt... Hoping nothing but the best from here on out. Just from all the ups and down with this pair I now know what each parents weakness and strength. From knowing that I should be able to get a bigger batch next time around ;)

Unless I missed it,you didnt lower the water.This helps acomplish a smaller space,easier for herding and for the fry to find the parents.

[Kal-El]

Unless I missed it,you didnt lower the water.This helps acomplish a smaller space,easier for herding and for the fry to find the parents.

I did lower the water to about 2" above the male's dorsal fin. All the free swimmer that didn't die during the wriggler stage because of the male's inexperience at keeping the wrigglers attached to the cone (The female was good with this) attached to him. The ones that didn't attached to him eventually attached after day two of free swimming. I did lose a total of 4 fry the past three days now since they've gone free swimming. Either the ones that die were sick, weak, or perhaps water issue. I have been doing 50% WC in the morning and at night after every feeding of BBS. Also I have started to raise the water level a little each day now. In a few days I should have the water level in the 20 gallon back to normal.

[Second Hand Pat]

Kale, while this is a learning experience for you remember the fish generally get better with each spawn.

[Bill63SG]

Kale, while this is a learning experience for you remember the fish generally get better with each spawn.

+1.Was going to be my next statement.You almost seem disapointed.Your fish are moving along fine.A spawn of 50-60 is perfect to deal with.

[Second Hand Pat]

+1 on Bill's comment regarding the spawn size. Kale, raising fry well may not for happen the first time. I still do not have it down pat.

[Kal-El]

I have been losing lots of fry lately so im down to about 25 fry who are the ones that are constantly attach to the male and are eating BBS. I'm going to up my WC from 50% twice a day to 65-90% in the evening and 50% in the morning depending on how much I feed with BBS. The remaining fry are growing with each passing day.

[Bill63SG]

I like to change about 50% daily until they get bigger.

[Kal-El]

I like to change about 50% daily until they get bigger.
How many day from free swimming do you go until you up the water change?

Also, for those that work a full time schedule do you guys just feed BBS twice daily like I do? There's no way I can feed BBS more than twice daily once in the morning and once after work. I may squeeze another feeding at 9pm.

[Bill63SG]

It usally takes me 2-3 days to bring up the water level,then its 50%,or until the parents fins break water for 2-3 weeks.Twice a day bbs,just a s**tload each time.

[Chicago Discus]

Although twice a day BBs in ideal remember that they have the parents to feed off of and the days that your not working you can feed more times a day. when you do your two feedings of brine shrimp don't put to much in because brine shrimp can really foul a tank up if not eaten.....Josie

[CliffsDiscus]

Remember to wipe down the tank especially the bottom, when doing the waterchange.

Cliff

[nc0gnet0]

Although twice a day BBs in ideal remember that they have the parents to feed off of and the days that your not working you can feed more times a day. when you do your two feedings of brine shrimp don't put to much in because brine shrimp can really foul a tank up if not eaten.....Josie

+ 1

I not quite sure how to quantify sh*tload, but it sounds like it maybe too much. Fouled filters from bbs are the number one reason for losing fry early in the game. Don't get caught up on the "how fast can I make them grow" idea, but rather concentrate on how clean can you keep the water.

[DiscusLoverJeff]

I not quite sure how to quantify sh*tload, but it sounds like it maybe too much. Fouled filters from bbs are the number one reason for losing fry early in the game. Don't get caught up on the "how fast can I make them grow" idea, but rather concentrate on how clean can you keep the water.

+1

Well put Rick

[Kal-El]

+ 1

I not quite sure how to quantify sh*tload, but it sounds like it maybe too much. Fouled filters from bbs are the number one reason for losing fry early in the game. Don't get caught up on the "how fast can I make them grow" idea, but rather concentrate on how clean can you keep the water.


+1

Well put Rick

Thanks guys for helping to clear things up I will focus on that on the next spawn... As of last night my male ate all the 25 remaining fry. They were growing well too (Ashamed, but at this point I'm not as disappointed as before). I can only assume he ate the fry as he couldn't get a break from the constant feeding from the aggressive fry and gave up on the spawn. Without the female it seems like it was too much for this young male to handle on it's own. He wasn't eating during the period he had the fry attached, but once he eat them all he's back to his old self. This morning I put the female back into the breeding tank with him again. I'm just going to let this pair do it's thing from now on until they get it right together. This thread will go on sleep mode until I have good news to report... lol Thanks everyone for helping me. I've learned so much from everyone that has posted and message with me via PM. This site has truly open my eyes on how hard it is to breed and how rewarding it can be when the breeding is a success.

[Bill63SG]

It usally takes me 2-3 days to bring up the water level,then its 50%,or until the parents fins break water for 2-3 weeks.Twice a day bbs,just a s**tload each time.

m\Maybe s**tload was a little vague,lol.To clear up,followed John N's advice on heavy feeding in the morning and night,skipped all the trying to feed them during the day,having wife/son dump in pre-measured portions.

[Kal-El]

m\Maybe s**tload was a little vague,lol.To clear up,followed John N's advice on heavy feeding in the morning and night,skipped all the trying to feed them during the day,having wife/son dump in pre-measured portions.

Sounds good. Will do that with the next spawn.

[bir123]

Hey could you give me a little info on the tanks

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[bir123]

I mean give me a little info about the size tank for breeding and grow out and filtration and temp of water

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[Kal-El]

Hey could you give me a little info on the tanks

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I mean give me a little info about the size tank for breeding and grow out and filtration and temp of water

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Tank for breeding is 20 gallon high (Most use 29 gallon)
Filtration is just sponge filter with air line
temp for breeding is set to 85 degree
Grow-outs always starts in a 29 gallon until they reach 4" before moving them to my 75 gallon grow-out tank.

[bir123]

Tank for breeding is 20 gallon high (Most use 29 gallon)
Filtration is just sponge filter with air line
temp for breeding is set to 85 degree
Grow-outs always starts in a 29 gallon until they reach 4" before moving them to my 75 gallon grow-out tank.


Thanks i want to set up a breeding tank because my discus in my 75 gl aquarium start to pair off and 1 pair evean breed but the eggs were eaten overnight

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[Allwin]

Noticed the same as well, parents eats no or very sparing food during the time of wriggler to fry. And they looked very stressed on their 4day of attachment. Not sure whether to turn on the lights all the time, since the fry's lost its attachment whenever i turn-off the light, so i turned-on the light all the time, probably that gave no rest to parents. Back on track, and lets see how my coming batch goes on..


Thanks guys for helping to clear things up I will focus on that on the next spawn... As of last night my male ate all the 25 remaining fry. They were growing well too (Ashamed, but at this point I'm not as disappointed as before). I can only assume he ate the fry as he couldn't get a break from the constant feeding from the aggressive fry and gave up on the spawn. Without the female it seems like it was too much for this young male to handle on it's own. He wasn't eating during the period he had the fry attached, but once he eat them all he's back to his old self. This morning I put the female back into the breeding tank with him again. I'm just going to let this pair do it's thing from now on until they get it right together. This thread will go on sleep mode until I have good news to report... lol Thanks everyone for helping me. I've learned so much from everyone that has posted and message with me via PM. This site has truly open my eyes on how hard it is to breed and how rewarding it can be when the breeding is a success.

[Kal-El]

UPDATE: Still no success with the pair raising their fry by themself. The female continues to eat them once they go free swimming or some at wriggler stage. Because of this reason I've stared to raise the fry myself. See my My first attempt at Artificial rearing (http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?110295-My-first-attempt-at-Artificial-rearing&highlight=) thread.

Anyone know if the female will ever stop eating the fry at some point and actually do her job and raise her fry? I may need to look into getting another proven experience pair to foster these fry.