450rdawg
10-13-2013, 11:44 PM
Problem
1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started them?
Let's start with a little background on an issue I had before that was relevant. About 3 months ago, I had an issue with the fish breathing heavy, irritations, a mini cycle, and a Planaria outbreak. I had lots of thick gravel and was over feeding. My ammonia started spiking but not to extreme levels. I placed all the discus in a hospital tank for about 6 weeks and ran a treatment of Furan2. I did large water changes every day and the problems cleared up quickly. I did lose one of my wilds but that sometimes happens. I tore the main tank almost all the way down, removed the gravel and took the filters off the tank. I bought a new Filstar filter when I started it back up. I let the tank cycle for 6 weeks with all of the tetras. I have 5 adult discus that have now been added back to the tank. I added them in phases. First I added 2 discus, 2 weeks later I added 2 more and last Tuesday added the final, my blue diamond. All was well until Friday evening. The BD and some of the others have turned very dark in color. They hang out toward the top of the tank with their head slightly pointed downwardly. I did a 60% water change this evening. They are all eating fine. The BD also has some white looking dots on his side that almost looks like Ich but I'm not convinced that what the problem is because there is no evidence of it on his fins. His tail does look a little rough on the end but I'm hoping that's just from the move to the tank. In fact, I'm hoping all of this is just them being freaked out from the move.They are also twitching their fins A LOT. They look like they are trying to shake their color off it's so bad. Please let me know what you think.
2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).
Turning dark, semi-clamped fins at times, white dots on the BD and a couple of them have some scratches on their side. Also, they hang around at the top of the tank with their heads slightly pointed at the ground.
3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.
None
Tank/Water
4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.
150 gallon
5 adult discus, 2 corys, 2 plecos, 3 Australian rainbows, 25ish tetras (neons, glow light, black neons, lemons and black skirts)
5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).
30% Daily
6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?
10 weeks this time. Pool filter sand 1.5-2" deep. Quite a few plants.
7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.
yes, 24 hrs, .5 in 24 hours.
8. Parameters and water source;
Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.
- temp __83___
- ph __7.4___
- ammonia reading __0__
- nitrite reading __0__
- nitrate reading __10-20 (hard to be exact)__
What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.
- well water _100%___
- municipal water ____
- RO water ____
9. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.
3 Australian rainbows and 5 lemon tetras. QT for 2 weeks.
10. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13032_zpsf1f853cc.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13032_zpsf1f853cc.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13031_zpsae431835.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13031_zpsae431835.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13029_zps8a5fe336.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13029_zps8a5fe336.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13028_zpsfca71c3d.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13028_zpsfca71c3d.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13026_zpsd959bb98.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13026_zpsd959bb98.jpg.html)
1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started them?
Let's start with a little background on an issue I had before that was relevant. About 3 months ago, I had an issue with the fish breathing heavy, irritations, a mini cycle, and a Planaria outbreak. I had lots of thick gravel and was over feeding. My ammonia started spiking but not to extreme levels. I placed all the discus in a hospital tank for about 6 weeks and ran a treatment of Furan2. I did large water changes every day and the problems cleared up quickly. I did lose one of my wilds but that sometimes happens. I tore the main tank almost all the way down, removed the gravel and took the filters off the tank. I bought a new Filstar filter when I started it back up. I let the tank cycle for 6 weeks with all of the tetras. I have 5 adult discus that have now been added back to the tank. I added them in phases. First I added 2 discus, 2 weeks later I added 2 more and last Tuesday added the final, my blue diamond. All was well until Friday evening. The BD and some of the others have turned very dark in color. They hang out toward the top of the tank with their head slightly pointed downwardly. I did a 60% water change this evening. They are all eating fine. The BD also has some white looking dots on his side that almost looks like Ich but I'm not convinced that what the problem is because there is no evidence of it on his fins. His tail does look a little rough on the end but I'm hoping that's just from the move to the tank. In fact, I'm hoping all of this is just them being freaked out from the move.They are also twitching their fins A LOT. They look like they are trying to shake their color off it's so bad. Please let me know what you think.
2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).
Turning dark, semi-clamped fins at times, white dots on the BD and a couple of them have some scratches on their side. Also, they hang around at the top of the tank with their heads slightly pointed at the ground.
3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.
None
Tank/Water
4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.
150 gallon
5 adult discus, 2 corys, 2 plecos, 3 Australian rainbows, 25ish tetras (neons, glow light, black neons, lemons and black skirts)
5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).
30% Daily
6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?
10 weeks this time. Pool filter sand 1.5-2" deep. Quite a few plants.
7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.
yes, 24 hrs, .5 in 24 hours.
8. Parameters and water source;
Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.
- temp __83___
- ph __7.4___
- ammonia reading __0__
- nitrite reading __0__
- nitrate reading __10-20 (hard to be exact)__
What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.
- well water _100%___
- municipal water ____
- RO water ____
9. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.
3 Australian rainbows and 5 lemon tetras. QT for 2 weeks.
10. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13032_zpsf1f853cc.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13032_zpsf1f853cc.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13031_zpsae431835.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13031_zpsae431835.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13029_zps8a5fe336.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13029_zps8a5fe336.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13028_zpsfca71c3d.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13028_zpsfca71c3d.jpg.html)
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae273/hrcarder/10-13-13026_zpsd959bb98.jpg (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/hrcarder/media/10-13-13026_zpsd959bb98.jpg.html)