Pat's Wild Tefe F1 "Batch B"

[Second Hand Pat]

Im sure they will grow up beautifully! They have such lovely parents ;)

They do but I remain reserved for the moment. I am sort of a show me type of person.

[Dogvet06]

Well if ur not happy with them just give to me :P i only want 7 haha

[Second Hand Pat]

Aren't you a year away from this?

[Dogvet06]

Well maybe i cant wait lol

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Hoping the best Pat!!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Well maybe i cant wait lol

Don't you need a tank :D

[Second Hand Pat]

Hoping the best Pat!!!!

Thanks Kraig

[Second Hand Pat]

Overdue for pictures. Those guys are slowly getting better but it has been a bit of a long road and still not where I want them to be.

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I am also considering a NOT recommended path but considering buying some live black worms to see if I can jump start their appetites.

[Second Hand Pat]

http://youtu.be/0hDeVm1-790

[Dogvet06]

O Pat i have the tank...its 75 gallons sitting in my shed ;)

[Dogvet06]

They r cute ;) glad they r improving

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Pat they look great. The color is very nice!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

They r cute ;) glad they r improving

Thanks Jaimie


Pat they look great. The color is very nice!!!

Thanks Kraig, they are showing a little promise color wise.

[Alfredo Llecha]

I am also considering a NOT recommended path but considering buying some live black worms to see if I can jump start their appetites.

You ought to, Pat. I dont like to see a discus suffering of starvation. Add a drop of Levimasole in the BW if you didnt.

[Second Hand Pat]

Me either Alfredo, trying to get the silly things to eat and the live black worms maybe just the ticket.

[pastry]

Keep going Pat!!!!!!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Keep going Pat!!!!!!!!

Thanks Elliot. Still holding onto the towel :)

[Dogvet06]

U guys have so much patience! It does pay off though! Love the pics and vids Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

U guys have so much patience! It does pay off though! Love the pics and vids Pat

Thanks Jaimie, it is definitely worth it. The little guys looked halfway decent tonight.

[nc0gnet0]

Buy some medicated flake with metro from Angles plus, feed to to the blackworms and gut load 'em.

Rick

[Second Hand Pat]

Buy some medicated flake with metro from Angles plus, feed to to the blackworms and gut load 'em.

Rick

Rick, are we gut loading the worms to make them safer for the fish or a delivery mechnism to medicate the fish? Worms arrived tomorrow.

Fish started taking the seafood mix this morning Woot :D

[CrazyAngels]

Sounds like a great way to get metro into the juvie's by loading up the worms. Pat, I'm still hopeful that all your work will not be in waste. Your doing an awesome job.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks George but it is the meds which is is hurting the appetites so metro is not needed for the fish hence my post to Rick :)

[ajvdiscus]

Great Job Pat,,, been awaya for a few months from the form due to famliy problems,,,,,,,,, but thes guys growing up fast.

[Second Hand Pat]

Great Job Pat,,, been awaya for a few months from the form due to famliy problems,,,,,,,,, but thes guys growing up fast.

Hope all is well now with your family.

[Second Hand Pat]

So here is a rather odd question. The worms came and the fish have no clue. Now the batch A fish go yum. I have one batch A cull and thinking about adding it in with the contest fish to show them how to eat the worms. Strange idea??

[Alfredo Llecha]

Well Pat, you are aware that the things could be worse if cross contamination between both groups. I have the same problem that I solved mixing worms plus food mix they are used to feed, may be it could work for you if the fishes of your batch B are still feeding.

[Second Hand Pat]

Yes Alfredo, fully aware of this and why the batch A cull if it serves it's purpose will not be returned to the batch A tank.

[Dogvet06]

i think its worth a shot ..i mean what do u have to lose but what do i know ;) seems like when mine see one go for the food they all swarm in..its cool how they signal to each other.

[Second Hand Pat]

Here is how I look at it Jaimie. If I do not get them eating reasonable well they are really not worth the effort so as far as I am concerned I have very little to lose and perhaps much to gain.

[Dogvet06]

i agree... ur throwing in a cull anyway and they came from the same mom and both parents are from same initial tank so i dont see how much harm this will do.

[CrazyAngels]

Go for it Pat, sounds like that may give them a jump start by seeing the behavior of the cull eating the worms. best of luck and sure hope it works as indeed it's worth the shot.

[Second Hand Pat]

Go for it Pat, sounds like that may give them a jump start by seeing the behavior of the cull eating the worms. best of luck and sure hope it works as indeed it's worth the shot.

It is already done Jaimie and Jorge. Added the cull last night and it has already served it's purpose. Thanks for the support ;)
Pat

[Dogvet06]

YAY so happy to hear!

[dadecountyalan]

It is already done Jaimie and Jorge. Added the cull last night and it has already served it's purpose. Thanks for the support ;)
Pat

great thinking pat!

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Alan.

The five little contest fish look fantastic. The cull served it's purpose and has been removed.

[Trier20]

Thanks Alan.

The five little contest fish look fantastic. The cull served it's purpose and has been removed.

Glad to hear things are looking up! A little survival of the fittest to kick them in the butt! Good idea!

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Brandon :)

[DiscusLoverJeff]

Hmm, time for a new video Pat, when you have time that is. Love seeing your little wilds.

[Second Hand Pat]

Hmm, time for a new video Pat, when you have time that is. Love seeing your little wilds.

Thanks Jeff :)

[Second Hand Pat]

My little underdogs

The largest in the group. Perhaps a whooping three inches
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad95/Second_Hand_Pat/DSC_0399.jpg

and the rest, One of them I could not get a clear pic.
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[Second Hand Pat]

http://youtu.be/GPJFv8K6vwk

[Keith Perkins]

The one's you've got left look good. I bet they grow up to be nice.

[Second Hand Pat]

The one's you've got left look good. I bet they grow up to be nice.

Thanks Keith

[Kingdom Come Discus]

One of those looks like it will have a nearly solid metallic body. They look as if they are glowing again Pat. Thanks for the update.

[Dogvet06]

Nice to see them eating ;)

[Second Hand Pat]

True and thanks Jaimie.

I will state it here that these fish are stunted. They have been setback at least three months and I was going to pull them....and then I asked Eddie about them and he makes a good case for leaving them in...so for the good of the contest...:crazy:

[Eddie]

True and thanks Jaimie.

I will state it here that these fish are stunted. They have been setback at least three months and I was going to pull them....and then I asked Eddie about them and he makes a good case for leaving them in...so for the good of the contest...:crazy:

You never know the end result if you don't go all the way through it. They look lively and bright eyed Pat. Keep it up!

[Second Hand Pat]

You never know the end result if you don't go all the way through it. They look lively and bright eyed Pat. Keep it up!

Thanks Eddie and they are hungry so I will take it. They are learning to fill their bellies.

[Eddie]

Thanks Eddie and they are hungry so I will take it. They are learning to fill their bellies.

Nice! Thats great news!

[Second Hand Pat]

One of those looks like it will have a nearly solid metallic body. They look as if they are glowing again Pat. Thanks for the update.

Which one Kraig?

[Second Hand Pat]

Nice! Thats great news!

Thanks Eddie.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Which one Kraig?

Second Picture-First Fish.

[Second Hand Pat]

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[DLFL]

Pat they are looking good.

[dadecountyalan]

keep up the good work. theyre shape looks better now

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat they are looking good.

Thanks Dick, the silly fish are actually growing.


keep up the good work. theyre shape looks better now

Thanks Alan, they are actually putting on a little height now.

[takeasnapshot]

They look amazing. I want one. I can't wait till I start buying my discus for my 55 gallon tank.

[Dogvet06]

cute little boogers!

[Trier20]

I really like the one with the broken bars. It looks pretty cool :)

[Second Hand Pat]

They look amazing. I want one. I can't wait till I start buying my discus for my 55 gallon tank.

Thank you but trust me, you do not want these.


cute little boogers!

Thanks Jaimie, hoping to make them cute bigger boogers.


I really like the one with the broken bars. It looks pretty cool :)

Thanks Brandon, there are definitely a lot more broken bars in these batch then in batch A. I can only say that the father of these guys had one broken bar and he seems to have passed it to his progeny.

[Second Hand Pat]

So my observations with these guys now that they are eating is they have put on some length but I see them putting on a bit of height and they are really bulking up. Hoping that stored energy goes to significant improvement in these guys.

[boscobear]

Pat, the beautiful faces, with the hint of mystery added to the body decor, with those strip hidden red eyes. Something that is missing from the color intense varieties of discus. There is that sense of wildness, the natural chameleon type of ability to camouflage themselves under the fallen branches, and such. That is nature's reason for the body strips, I would guess. I would like to wonder, if I may, how much can the environment surrounding these fish effect their coloration? We see most discus change density of color, light to dark, deeping of color tints. When I feed my discus live foods they become vibrant, intensifying edge colors on fins, and body tones.
Beautiful discus you have there, congratulations.

Ron

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, the beautiful faces, with the hint of mystery added to the body decor, with those strip hidden red eyes. Something that is missing from the color intense varieties of discus. There is that sense of wildness, the natural chameleon type of ability to camouflage themselves under the fallen branches, and such. That is nature's reason for the body strips, I would guess. I would like to wonder, if I may, how much can the environment surrounding these fish effect their coloration? We see most discus change density of color, light to dark, deeping of color tints. When I feed my discus live foods they become vibrant, intensifying edge colors on fins, and body tones.
Beautiful discus you have there, congratulations.

Ron

Ron, that is beautiful :D Thanks

[Second Hand Pat]

Well, can you guys tell that these have chucked up some? Not the greatest pictures.

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[Second Hand Pat]

http://youtu.be/YilknBqZA5k

[CrazyAngels]

Hello pat, I not been around as much lately and kept up with your post. You have no idea how happy I am to have opened your thread to catch up and see those wonderful beautiful little guys looking so much better.. I love bulky look they are beginning to show and so much deserve.

Congrats on pushing through and taking the chance, which sure seems to have been the turn around point for you.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Jorge, always enjoy your posts and yes I am hopeful that I have turned these guys around. Looking to see more from them in the near future.

[Kingdom Come Discus]

They are looking much better Pat!!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

They are looking much better Pat!!!!

Thanks Kraig :)

[Second Hand Pat]

These guys are growing...slowly...

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[brewmaster15]

Pat,
Raising out wild fry to adulthood is something few here have done, and many of those that have note slower growth rates often. Theres also a bit of difference IME in their development and shape.... Keep up the good work with these guys... You may be surprised in the end how they turn out.:)

-al

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Al and duly noted. I will say I did make some early mistakes with these guys but now they are on the high road. I do not know whether they will amount to anything but time will tell. :)

[Eddie]

Thanks Al and duly noted. I will say I did make some early mistakes with these guys but now they are on the high road. I do not know whether they will amount to anything but time will tell. :)

Of course they'll amount to something Pat. They are still in the race and I'm sure they will develop into some beauty's regardless. Keep up the great work!

[Second Hand Pat]

Aw Eddie, you are more optimistic then myself. We shall see.

[DLFL]

Pat I see very round juvs there. Keep your chin up they are looking great.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Dick, that is what I am seeing Dick. They are rounding up.

[CrazyAngels]

Pat, your doing great, those youngsters looking better everyday.

[kimbo]

That last picture is really something else. Simply adorable!

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, your doing great, those youngsters looking better everyday.


That last picture is really something else. Simply adorable!

Thanks guys :)

[Second Hand Pat]

So these guys are about seven months old. They are doing quite well but still small.

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This guys lower fin is too short.
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The video will be ready shortly.

http://youtu.be/dIQ7UDZ9vL4

[Eddie]

FANTASTIC PAT! Nice turn around! They are growing out nicely! Rock on!

[Second Hand Pat]

FANTASTIC PAT! Nice turn around! They are growing out nicely! Rock on!

Thanks Eddie, I have learned alot with these guys. They have grown some, are hungry and fat. Will they amount to anything is yet to be seen :)

[Eddie]

Thanks Eddie, I have learned about with these guys. They have grown some, are hungry and fat. Will they amount to anything is yet to be seen :)


Of course they'll amount something, your hard work and dedication. I'd grow them out any day!

[Dogvet06]

glad they are growing and developing well. im sure they will turn out nice in your hands!

[CrazyAngels]

Looking nicer everyday Pat. Here is wishing you an awesome New Year.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Jorge and same to you. Give me a shout next time you are down for a launch and we will hook up with you have some time even if it is just for dinner.

[Second Hand Pat]

Well guys, I thought I was on the road to success with these guys but alas it was not meant to be. This past weekend I noticed red worms hanging out of the bottoms of the batch A F1 Tefes and after talking to Al it is Camallanus :( I decided I needed to treat all the F1s including the contest fish after seeing one of the red worms on the tank bottom. :( I treated with flubendazole (UK wormer) and I lost one of the contest fish and another looks iffy to me leaving me with three fish. I will need to retreat in three weeks.

So instead of dragging this out with now substandard fish it is time to cull what is left and call it a day. :( I tried really hard to make this work but seems it was not meant to be. I keep reminding myself that I am very new with this fry rearing especially with F1 wilds.

I will say I learned alot being a contestant and I hope to be part of future contests. I also wish the best for the remaining contestants. There are many nice contest fish and I look forward to watching them grow into amazing adults.

Pat

[Dogvet06]

Awe Pat I'm so sorry :(


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[Second Hand Pat]

Awe Jaimie, don't be sorry. It is all part of the learning process.

[Second Hand Pat]

For those of you who have been following along this fish was the hoped for result. This fish is from my Batch A and is about 11 months old now.

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[oldfar]

Sorry to here this I was pulling for you in this contest .Gotta love this contest at least you have Batch A.

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry to here this I was pulling for you in this contest .Gotta love this contest at least you have Batch A.

Thanks Paul

[Poco]

Sorry to hear it Pat.

[Trier20]

Bummer Pat! They will make more and you will continue to get better at raising these wild ones!

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry to hear it Pat.

Thanks Barbar


Bummer Pat! They will make more and you will continue to get better at raising these wild ones!

Thanks Brandon and that's my goal to raise them well.

[DiscusBR]

Sorry to hear about the losses, Pat. As you said, it is part of the learning process and you have achieved a lot with your wilds. Good luck with the other batch.

[rdiscus]

Sorry to hear that Pat ...

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry to hear about the losses, Pat. As you said, it is part of the learning process and you have achieved a lot with your wilds. Good luck with the other batch.

Thanks Mauro


Sorry to hear that Pat ...

Thank you also Ryan.

[chaoslite]

Wow sorry to hear about this Pat.

Mishka

[Disgirl]

Sorry it ended this way Pat, but just look at all you have learned along the way. There will be many more...
Barb

[Darrell Ward]

Bummer with batch B, but interesting color development on the batch A fish. It seems to have more red in it than "green".:D

[Second Hand Pat]

Wow sorry to hear about this Pat.

Mishka

No regrets Mishka, I learned alot. :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry it ended this way Pat, but just look at all you have learned along the way. There will be many more...
Barb

Definitely Barb :)

[Second Hand Pat]

Bummer with batch B, but interesting color development on the batch A fish. It seems to have more red in it than "green".:D

Hi Darrell, batch B still lives, with the 4 contest fish there are still an additional five fish. They are all together now. Will them amount to anything is yet to be seen but not promising.

[Skip]

aww pat.. just saw this.. :(

bummer about the batch..

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Skip, lessons learned big time which I may to practice soon :D

Saw your thread on the JV :( damn heater.

[Skip]

Thanks Skip, lessons learned big time which I may to practice soon :D

Saw your thread on the JV :( damn heater.

well, that learning is all what its about.. !


yes.. DAMN HEATER! :(

[Bill63SG]

Bummer Pat.Its one thing to have eggs eaten or 2-3 day old fry.Sucks to loose them after all the time invested.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Bill, I actually only lost one from the worming treatment and the four contest fish left I added back with the rest of the spawn. Generally the spawn as a whole has not done well and maybe culled in the end.

[Pardal]

Sorry, Pat just read this . Is really hard after all the work and effort but you definately learned a lot and teach a lot us while bringing everyone along in your journey. Thank you for sharing with us the good things and bad, is always easy to brag about it , when things are going fine, but it takes a real hobby/breeder to share the bad moments as well.
You take care and keep doing what you do especially with wilds . Simply definately needs you.

Julian.

[ajvdiscus]

have been away due to some problemas with family and work,, but i am back and glad to see your little guys are getting big,,

[MKD]

This is not happening and specially you Pat. Im sorry for your loss.

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry, Pat just read this . Is really hard after all the work and effort but you definately learned a lot and teach a lot us while bringing everyone along in your journey. Thank you for sharing with us the good things and bad, is always easy to brag about it , when things are going fine, but it takes a real hobby/breeder to share the bad moments as well.
You take care and keep doing what you do especially with wilds . Simply definately needs you.

Julian.

Thanks Julian, this experience has definitely taught me alot. The first spawn Batch A was so easy and I was expecting a cakewalk with Batch B. As we all know that did not happen. One setback after another. Taking the contest fish and adding them back with their siblings is a last ditch effort but we shall see if anything good comes from it.

[Second Hand Pat]

have been away due to some problemas with family and work,, but i am back and glad to see your little guys are getting big,,

Alas they were doing better until this last setback.


This is not happening and specially you Pat. Im sorry for your loss.

It did Tony, cannot win them all.

[Eddie]

Sorry to hear Pat. Just quick logged on and saw this.


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[pastry]

Pat, I haven't been around much lately (in and out from time to time) and stunned. Sorry to hear. At the same time, everyone on here knows you'll bounce back for the next one. It really sucks after the time and effort put into it but you've got the brains and experience as well as the proof with other groups. I'll be rooting for you woman!

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry to hear Pat. Just quick logged on and saw this.


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Thanks Eddie.

[Second Hand Pat]

Pat, I haven't been around much lately (in and out from time to time) and stunned. Sorry to hear. At the same time, everyone on here knows you'll bounce back for the next one. It really sucks after the time and effort put into it but you've got the brains and experience as well as the proof with other groups. I'll be rooting for you woman!

Thanks Elliot, I might be reminding you of that at the proper time :D It does suck but stuff happens and I'm no quitter...so next time. :D

[Kingdom Come Discus]

Sorry to hear this Pat. No one can say you didn't give it your best!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Sorry to hear this Pat. No one can say you didn't give it your best!!!

Thanks Kraig and yes, I stuck it out.

[CrazyAngels]

PAT, IF ANYTHING YOU'VE SHOWN US ALL HOW TO BE A GREAT COMPETITOR AND WORKING IT UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT. I HOPE ALL OTHERS MAKE IT THROUGH THEIR MED CYCLE AND GROW TO BE WONDERFUL BEAUTIES FOR YOU.

AGAIN I COMMEND YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE WITH WILDS AND IN MANY CASES TURNING QUITE A FEW INTO WILD KEEPERS.

TAKE CARE AND HOPE ALL TURNS OUT OK.

[shawnhu]

Pat, congratulations on putting in the effort on attempting this. As Al said, raising offspring from Wilds is not an easy task. I've also battled with the same parasite along with other worms and it's taught me plenty. Thank you for taking the time in showing us.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Shawn, like you this batch has taught me plenty and yes, I have had very similar issues and perhaps results as you...ie smaller fish. Your fish do seem to have done better then mine however.

[shawnhu]

The contest fish were not hit with the same parasite, but I did run into another issue that required the use of PP. The little guys do take a huge hit that early in their lives.

[Second Hand Pat]

Shawn, I have found that PP does not inhibit the fish's appetite like some of the meds do.

[shawnhu]

I agree, but the illness hit them hard before I could make a solid decision on treatment. They were off their feed for a few days and I reduced temps in fear of a bacterial attack. My lack of experience there was evident. I was not able to find anything in the scope.

[Second Hand Pat]

I agree, but the illness hit them hard before I could make a solid decision on treatment. They were off their feed for a few days and I reduced temps in fear of a bacterial attack. My lack of experience there was evident. I was not able to find anything in the scope.

Shawn, I suffer from that too...lack of experience and why a contest like this will mature us as discus keepers and hobbyists.

[Second Hand Pat]

I read a remark in one of the other contestants thread which frankly made me mad and I do not get mad easy. I entered this contest for the fun and to do something a little different with raising wild F1s. I was already raising one batch of F1 from egg and figured raising the fish for the contest would be a cakewalk. That do not happen. I had issues from the get go and after seven or so months and down to three fish I withdrew from the contest.

My experience proved Al's point that raising eight fish is not easy, requires a lot of commitment and really a love for the hobby to be successful. I entered the contest with the full, honest intent of seeing it through, enjoying the experience and hopefully having one or two nicely spotted fish at the end.

I did not withdraw the fish for selfish reasons but felt I had nothing left to work with so if that leaves me with issues so be it.

Pat

[Keith Perkins]

I read a remark in one of the other contestants thread which frankly made me mad and I do not get mad easy. I entered this contest for the fun and to do something a little different with raising wild F1s. I was already raising one batch of F1 from egg and figured raising the fish for the contest would be a cakewalk. That do not happen. I had issues from the get go and after seven or so months and down to three fish I withdrew from the contest.

My experience proved Al's point that raising eight fish is not easy, requires a lot of commitment and really a love for the hobby to be successful. I entered the contest with the full, honest intent of seeing it through, enjoying the experience and hopefully having one or two nicely spotted fish at the end.

I did not withdraw the fish for selfish reasons but felt I had nothing left to work with so if that leaves me with issues so be it.

Pat

Anyone who would say otherwise at best doesn't know you worth a hoot.

[DiscusBR]

Anyone who would say otherwise at best doesn't know you worth a hoot.

+!

Pat, you are one of the most devoted and generous members of this community and I think almost everyone here knows that. Simply ignore comments that suggest otherwise.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks guys, that one remark so rubbed me the wrong way. Widely cast nets do catch untended fish but still :mad:

[timmy82]

Well guys, I thought I was on the road to success with these guys but alas it was not meant to be. This past weekend I noticed red worms hanging out of the bottoms of the batch A F1 Tefes and after talking to Al it is Camallanus :( I decided I needed to treat all the F1s including the contest fish after seeing one of the red worms on the tank bottom. :( I treated with flubendazole (UK wormer) and I lost one of the contest fish and another looks iffy to me leaving me with three fish. I will need to retreat in three weeks.

So instead of dragging this out with now substandard fish it is time to cull what is left and call it a day. :( I tried really hard to make this work but seems it was not meant to be. I keep reminding myself that I am very new with this fry rearing especially with F1 wilds.

I will say I learned alot being a contestant and I hope to be part of future contests. I also wish the best for the remaining contestants. There are many nice contest fish and I look forward to watching them grow into amazing adults.

Pat

That is no good to hear you done well to get the wilds to breed and raise sucessfully. I had a similar senario not long ago a great pair of pigeon SS had the fry at 5 weeks going great around 70 fry and then a heater controler malfunctioned 50C so 122F in your scale left with 3 now none....................... It is a learning curve and ways to improve and processes. atm the weather is too warm and the water temp with no heater is around the 30c - 86 which is touch high for any spawns for the time. Frustrating as I got buyers waiting just need to get rolling........................

[shawnhu]

I read a remark in one of the other contestants thread which frankly made me mad and I do not get mad easy. I entered this contest for the fun and to do something a little different with raising wild F1s. I was already raising one batch of F1 from egg and figured raising the fish for the contest would be a cakewalk. That do not happen. I had issues from the get go and after seven or so months and down to three fish I withdrew from the contest.

My experience proved Al's point that raising eight fish is not easy, requires a lot of commitment and really a love for the hobby to be successful. I entered the contest with the full, honest intent of seeing it through, enjoying the experience and hopefully having one or two nicely spotted fish at the end.

I did not withdraw the fish for selfish reasons but felt I had nothing left to work with so if that leaves me with issues so be it.

Pat

Pat, I have not had a chance to read any other contestant's posts, so I'm not sure what the context is, but I can relate. I'm sure you've seen the barrage of pressure I've had to face on my thread, and I know the feeling of being misunderstood. If it's one thing I've learned from this contest, is that some folks really do have it hard on anyone outside of their elite circle.

With that said, I can tell from your posts that you are an alright gal, and until now, we've not directly addressed one another's posts. You can tell a lot from ones character based on how they carry themselves, even on the Internet.

Keep your head high, because my gut tells me you are above those that sling frivolous accusations.

That, and you attempted a HARD one raising Wilds. I've raised a few batches of fish from 1", but I can't imagine even getting wilds to breed.

[Second Hand Pat]

Shawn, I am mighty impressed with the way you have handled yourself regarding the pressure applied in your contest thread. You are willing to see it through until the end. It takes alot of character to continue, most would have thrown in the towel. I wish you and your spouse the best on your upcoming little one. Parenthood is the best :D. I know, been there, done that.
Pat

[shawnhu]

Pat, I'm looking forward to it, and now I realize why the one thing parents wish for is a healthy baby.

About the thread, I have people PM me giving me a lot of support, and I have to admit, they are the ones that I'm doing this for. That's the least I can do to give back to SD.

[pcdebb]

As a newbie, I enjoy these threads immensely. I am falling in love again and again. I hate I waited so long to start keeping discus, they are so beautiful. You guys are doing something wonderful and I'm glad to be learning from what you are doing!! :love:

[MARVIC 1]

HI Pat, I just read the complete Pat's adventure (Pat's Contest Fish Wild Tefe F1 "Batch B"). Thank you for taking the time to note your Discus fry progress with us. I've learned so mush just reading your updates and the members feedback's. BTW, I forgot to watch today's Sunday Night Football game because of it!!! :D Thank you very much Pat.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Vic, there is another thread called "Wild Tefe Spawn" which documents my first wild spawn. It is a long but fun thread with lots of pictures and videos. Put the title in the search box if you care to take a gander.
Pat

[dirtyplants]

Hi Pat,
From what I have read you have given much sound advice and opinions on these forums. We all admire someone who knows when to throw in the towel and regroup, look at the situation, refigure and execute a new and revised staggery. This type of individuals usually succeed with long term goals. I have not read the post that is being referred to but from my own readings from past posts of yours, which I have found to be sound, informative and non condescending, you do not need to put someone down to make a point. Your identity here is based on experience, and solid knowledge. I have found wolf packs on these forums that seem to rip or act as provocateurs with the sole purpose of procuring a position for superior identity. Don't let them get to you! I gather from your personal character you will succeed at what ever you endeavor.

[Second Hand Pat]

Thanks Coree (hope I got that right) :o

Raising the fry of wild discus seems to be a bit more tricky than with domestic fry and I am looking forward to future attempts. I do not give up easily but there comes a time when you are left with little to work with it is best to reaccess the effort involved and with this batch it was best to quit the insanity.

I try to help here on Simply based on my own experience and/or common sense. I see no need to knock others down but some do try my patience. :) I also tend to walk my own path but not afraid to seek the advice of more knowledgeable folks. Especially with wilds and I am far from an expert.

Pat

[dirtyplants]

Thanks Pat,
when I get my wilds I will be looking for much help and input from you. I have not raised fry as of yet myself because I know the amount of work and having to cull the babies is a emotional quandary position. I will be rooting for you though in the next contest!
Coree

[Second Hand Pat]

Thank Coree :)

[MARVIC 1]

Thanks Pat, will do.... I'm enjoying your video's and picture very much.
Tough sitting here not knowing a lot of these terminology and acronyms. I had to look some up (Google) like TDS, TSS, RO and a whole lot more across the forum, shows the Newbie in me....
Is their a list or text file on this forum where I can copy these Acronyms and fish high tech words for future reference?

[Second Hand Pat]

Vic, there is a thread with acronyms. I will see if I can find later. Moving water ATM.

[MARVIC 1]

Vic, there is a thread with acronyms. I will see if I can find later. Moving water ATM.
You Discus keeper really like using acronyms.... :D
Thanks will look for your message later today...

[Second Hand Pat]

Not everything is included but a start...

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?88079-Discus-and-Aquarium-Abbreviations

[Allwin]

Great documenting Pat,Informative and helpful!!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Great documenting Pat,Informative and helpful!!!

Thanks Allwin, a learning experience for us all. :)

[MARVIC 1]

Thank you once again Pat for the link to the abbreviated list.
Saved it as a note pad file sitting on my desk-top, two clicks and up pops the reference...

[Second Hand Pat]

Vic, add this one ATM - at the moment :)