Rio Jutai- Red Spotted Greens

[dm.67]

I've been posting in the display tanks section until now but thought this is more appropriate because the fish are wild greens.

Latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAtmePIeqv0

[Kirbs]

That's a nice looking group!

[Mariowa]

I like too


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[Second Hand Pat]

Tanks like this make me feel like a rant newbie. Just nice.

[dm.67]

Thanks guys.

Cheers Pat, but I'm sure you have probably forgotten more about wild discus than I've ever known.

[Second Hand Pat]

I doubt that dm :D

[daffyfish]

Very nice! :)

[Len]

Looks great. What are the roots growing into the tank from?

[musicmarn1]

Oh WOW! Please post more full shots, I adore this:o

[dm.67]

Thanks everyone. I'll see if I can dig out some full tank shots for you Marnie.

Len, the actual leaves you can see are Anubias. I did want a South American plant that was biotope correct and I tried Philodendron species but their leaves don't seem to survive under water. The wooden twigs you can see are silver birch twigs.

[Joe]

I would like to see some full tank shots! Nice looking discus!!

Joe

[dm.67]

Some photos of the tank:

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab221/dm_67/IMG_1171_zps9434b566.jpg (http://s866.photobucket.com/user/dm_67/media/IMG_1171_zps9434b566.jpg.html)

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I've copied some video links that I have already put in the planted/show tank forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTpimb1Woq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYArrIaSi-c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QRHAWG9RpOI

[YSS]

Great looking set up. Good luck with the fish!

[Second Hand Pat]

This is one of the most natural tanks I have seen...totally gorgeous.

[Nick Klimkowski]

Wow, that is incredible. Pat is right.

[Len]

I Love it. i Want it :)

[Nick Klimkowski]

I Love it. i Want it :)

Same here.:D

[winn0923]

Love this tank!


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[dash]

Fantastic looking fish.


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[bobdon]

WOW How many tops

[Nick Klimkowski]

How many gallons is the tank?

[Discus Origins]

Nicely done, beautiful tank :)

[dirtyplants]

Greens are just a favorite of mine and your tank looks great, the background is? Of course when my greens come out of Qt they are going into a tank that resembles yours.:)

[dm.67]

Thanks Guys.

Nick the tank is 200cm x 65cm x 65cm. I estimate that, when you allow for displacement and include extra volume from filters, it probably holds around 750 litres/198 US gallons.

Coree the background is by Back to Nature ( a Swedish company) and it is one of their Amazonas models.

[dm.67]

Some photos of the fish:

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[dash]

Really really really beutifull fish. Can you ID them please?


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[winn0923]

It's in the title - red spotted green from rio jutai


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[dash]

Sorry stupid me.


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[bobdon]

size of fish

[dm.67]

Hi bobdon,

They range in size between about 5-6 inches from nose to base of tail (i.e. not including the tail itself).

[dirtyplants]

This is my goal a bit of nature in you house. Well done!

[dm.67]

I hope you get there Coree. I hope you'll be posting pics etc when you do. Always nice to see other tanks going for a natural look.

[dirtyplants]

I decided not to post pictures until my guys come out of QT and I keep them there much longer then most. For the most part I have time for planning.

[dm.67]

How many discus are you going to have and what size tank will they be going in?

[Susie]

Looks wonderful! Those discus are great!

[Nick Klimkowski]

Very nice close up shots. Beautiful fish.

[dirtyplants]

I am just going for a 90 gallon for 6 fish. Nothing really large just large enough for a few wilds and a nice bio type tank.:)

[neon]

Love that tank nice job

[dm.67]

Thanks again everyone for all the nice comments.


I am just going for a 90 gallon for 6 fish. Nothing really large just large enough for a few wilds and a nice bio type tank.:)

Should look good. What river/lake are your wild Greens from?

[Hiball1]

What a great setup. Very nice looking fish!

Sean

[dirtyplants]

They are Tefe's as far as I know have not gotten a reply yet from John as to the exact location. I will probably have to call him on it. His internet communications not always the fastest. They have grown about an inch in QT, and I have one who just will not eat flakes or BH, will only eat frozen blood worms, he acts and looks normal just fussy when it comes to food. Fussy eaters makes me think parasites, but we shall see.

[Susie]

Absolutely great looking fish and tank! I love it!

[winn0923]

They are Tefe's as far as I know have not gotten a reply yet from John as to the exact location. I will probably have to call him on it. His internet communications not always the fastest. They have grown about an inch in QT, and I have one who just will not eat flakes or BH, will only eat frozen blood worms, he acts and looks normal just fussy when it comes to food. Fussy eaters makes me think parasites, but we shall see.

If it is Tefe then it would be Rio Tefe as the collection point. Most wilds take a while to wean but IMO john fish take flakes and tetra bits pretty readily since I know he feed them tetra bits. The wilds I got from him most take flakes or tetrabit right off the bat.


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[dirtyplants]

Yes all except one took to flakes and bits and beaf heart, although BH is not their favorite. The one will actually not eat unless he gets his frozen worms, thanks for the location, Pat had mentioned they might be another green but John has not verified that, he had listed as Tefes. None of mine had been switched over to flakes and bits at the time of purchase, but all with the exception of one has now been switched. Stubborn little one.

[brady]

DB
They are absolutely beautiful. Have to ask ,how much did you pay for those? And that tank, you got to be kidding me . It's probably the best I've ever seen.
Jay

[dm.67]

Hi Jay, thanks for the compliments re the tank. The discus varied in price. I paid £80 ($133) each for the first lot, £95 ($158) each for the second lot and £110 ($183) for the final lot. Some of the nicest ones were actually £80. I have gone through a process of upgrading, so each new lot was slightly nicer over all, but individuals varied, so I kept the nicest of each batch and moved on some of the lesser fish to make space for new ones. I'm still going through that process as some of the £95 fish had good spotting but imperfect bars. I will move some of these on when I can get some really high quality Jutai Greens to replace them. They couldn't fish the Jutai this year as the water levels didn't drop enough. So I've got my fingers crossed for next year.

[dirtyplants]

I have seen very nice tanks though the years, but I have to say this is just one of the most beautiful and natural tanks I have seen with discus. I keep going back to your pictures and every time I do I have the same reaction this is an awesome tank. The back ground is to kill for. What and how are you using filtration and heating?

[Len]

I have seen very nice tanks though the years, but I have to say this is just one of the most beautiful and natural tanks I have seen with discus. I keep going back to your pictures and every time I do I have the same reaction this is an awesome tank. The back ground is to kill for. What and how are you using filtration and heating?


What she said 100%. Keep the photos/videos coming and describe your setup in some detail. This is a thread I'll be watching.

[dm.67]

Thanks Len and Coree. I am really pleased that you like my tank so much, its lovely to hear that.

It looks nice but the heating and filtration aren't hitec, they are quite basic really.

The tank is 200cm x65cm x65cm. It has an opti white glass front, but the rest is ordinary glass I estimate that the tank plus filtration actually hold around 750 ltrs.

The lighting is TMC Aquaray Grobeam 1000ND LEDs. I've got 5 LED tiles and 3 LED strips with 2 controllers set to the sunset/sunrise effect. You can also set it to mimic lightning storms which does get a reaction from the fish. They tend to shoal more closely and move around the tank a bit more.

The heating is 2 visitherm 400 watt heaters.

The filtration is:
2 x Fluval FX5s
1 DD 39 watt UV steriliser
3 stage sediment filter, 25 micron> 5 micron> 1 micron which feeds into 2 x 6.5 ltr nitrate resin filters

I change my maintenance from time to time, but at the moment I do a 200 ltr water change every day, with a 400 ltr change once a week. I use HMA water that has also gone through a nitrate resin filter

I replace filter floss every 2 weeks and clean the top layer sponges every 2 weeks in both filters. I clean all other sponges and hard filter media every month. I alternate the filter cleaning, so one filters gets fully cleaned and the other on 2 weeks later.

Water chemistry:
PH 6.6 - 6.8
GH 2-4 dh
Nitrate 1-2 ppm
Amonia 0 ppm
Nitrite 0 ppm
Temp 30 oc

Anything else you want to know just ask and thanks again for your interest and nice comments.

[kwan8911]

That is nice !!

[wild_discus]

Hi, where did u buy the 3d root background from? Thx

[fishaddict]

Absolutely amazing!!!!

[Trac]

That's amazing looking tank and gorgeous RSG. Did you get any pair out of the batches?

[wild-blue-discus]

Wow!!! amazing school!
How long did it take you to accumulate all of those discus?
That sort of school would require a second mortage on the house over here


Some photos of the tank:

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab221/dm_67/IMG_1171_zps9434b566.jpg (http://s866.photobucket.com/user/dm_67/media/IMG_1171_zps9434b566.jpg.html)

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http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab221/dm_67/IMG_1513_zpsd5b3edaa.jpg (http://s866.photobucket.com/user/dm_67/media/IMG_1513_zpsd5b3edaa.jpg.html)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab221/dm_67/IMG_1491_zpsbf7e38b8.jpg (http://s866.photobucket.com/user/dm_67/media/IMG_1491_zpsbf7e38b8.jpg.html)

I've copied some video links that I have already put in the planted/show tank forum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTpimb1Woq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYArrIaSi-c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QRHAWG9RpOI

[dm.67]

Hi Scott, I'm glad you like them. I got them in 3 lots over a period of 5 months. I first got 12 in October 2012. I then got another 6 in December 2012, but I moved a couple of the original 12 on to make space. I then got 8 more in February 2013 and again moved on a few of the ones I already had to make space. I've got 16 at the moment.

[dm.67]

Hi, where did u buy the 3d root background from? Thx

Hi, I bought the background from a lfs in Widnes, UK, called Universal Waterlife. It is by the Swedish company Back to Nature, which I think has been taken over by a German firm now.

[dm.67]

That's amazing looking tank and gorgeous RSG. Did you get any pair out of the batches?

Hi Benjamin. No I haven't had any pairing yet, unfortunately. It would be nice to see them raise some fry. But part of me is glad they haven't because it might cause issues in the tank.

[dirtyplants]

Da** that is one nice looking tank, again I am blown away, this is a good example of what a natural looking tank can achieve visually. Not saying this is a perfect bio type but it is what I would want in my home, five gold stars belong to you for this tank!

[dm.67]

Cheers Coree. The main thing going against it for a biotope is the fact that I've got anubias along the top. I really want some type of South American plant that looks like some kind of tree creeper but the only thing I've come across that looks the part is philodendron, and it's leaves just die after a month or so when they are fully submerged. If I could find something South American that fitted the look of anubias and was OK submerged I would replace the anubias.

The fish are potentially correct but I can't say for sure. I did find an article on the intranet that stated Bleeding heart tetra's (Hyphessobrycon erythrostigma) are found in the Jutai. Apart from the discus and BHs the only other fish in there are the bristlenose. These are just common bristlenose so I can't say for sure where the species originated, but I have seen pictures of an ancistrus species being netted in the Jutai alongside discus, that looks broadly similar. I did originally have some Jutai Red Splash tetra's (Copella vilmae) which are very rare, but these all died.

I've also got some amano shrimp around the back of the background to carry out some cleaning work, but as these aren't visible in the front of the tank I let myself off a little with them regarding the biotope theme.

[dirtyplants]

I get the plant issue, it is just so hard to find plants dedicated to a specific region. Your tank is all the same, one of the best I have ever seen, and I have looked at a lot over the years. Truly this is what I would love to have going for me in my wild tank. You have given me a goal to achieve.

[dm.67]

That's really nice of you to say so. It is always good to get responses like that from people who also like fish. I hope you achieve what you are after in the end and I hope it gives you as much pleasure as mine does to me.

[dirtyplants]

It may take some time but I will do my best to achieve a tank much like yours. The back ground will have to be made from scratch I am afraid unless the company you got yours from ships over seas, and I can afford the expense. Thanks for the pleasure of viewing your tank and discus.

[dm.67]

Latest video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvNZnxy-Lk4&feature=youtu.be

[jmf3460]

beautiful video, what pleco is that in your video towards the end. ancistrus??

[Second Hand Pat]

Love the video. Tank looks great :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvNZnxy-Lk4&feature=youtu.be

[dm.67]

Thanks Pat and Jacklin. The plecos are just common bristlenose , so yes ancistrus sp.

[dm.67]

Some photos:

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[Dutch dude]

Nice RSG :thumbsup: