My Wild green/Wattley mix from Archer

[dragon1974]

So just wanted to share a couple pics of my Wild Green/Wattley mix I got from Vern here in TO (Wild Royal Green male crossed with Wattley Turquoise female).

I got 8 juvi's from Vern on Feb 1st and tomorrow they will be 5 mths I think. (Vern sold them to me and I can't remember the age they were but I'll assume they were at least 2 mths as I got them at the 2 1/2" size).

First couple images are from when I first got them.

Last couple are from last night. Just eyeballing them they look to be in the 3 1/3" - 4" range.

Oh and don't mind the poo on the bottom I was going to clean the tank after LOL.

This is with 2 day WC and feeding my BH mix (bh, shrimp, white fish, green beans, banana, egg yolk) + tetra colour bits. Feed 2 times a day (morning and night)).

They are showing more and more colours as the weeks progress.

Anyway I'm just a working man so don't beat me up too much hahahah.

Ed. I'll have to update the images later.

[Altum Nut]

I've been meaning to go see Vern for some time now and sure you got yourself some nice healthy discus.
I'm sure the pics will not do them justice.

...Ralph

[jmf3460]

pics pics pics

[dragon1974]

Pics attached.

Actually took a couple of them out and the smallest was around 4" and the largest was coming close to 5". Pics are from the Samsung S6

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[dragon1974]

I'll get the ones from Feb 1st, they look so small to now LOL. For me this was an experiment in buying decent/if not good quality discus from a good supplier and changing my husbandry skills. I see the benefits in upping the WC, although I sometimes go for 4 days without WC due to having 3 small kids and full time work, but that isn't the norm. I try to stick to the 2 day mark and do 90% changes and feed a good quality BH mix and I think it's worked up to now. Maybe the older discus keepers can comment.

From Feb 1st

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These were taken in March

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[Larry Grenier]

Do you deliver to Manassas, VA? :-)

[jawfish]

They are looking good Dragon1974.
Good job on growing them, you can't go wrong with Vern's discus...

Keep us posted on how they continue to develop.

Cheers
Fred

[dragon1974]

Well, just got my Stendker collection last night. They're in a dark tank atm, but I have some pics of them when I got them. 5 Silver Pigeon bloods and 5 Tefe

Just temping the bags and neighbors wanted to meet their new friends

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Amazing that they are this relaxed

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Released

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They were a bit shy last night. I left them and stayed back and watched them explorer the tank. Only one out of the group was still hiding after half hour. This morning when I check on them, everyone was swimming happily around. Maybe tonight I'll turn the lights on and give them something to eat. Probably take some pics of them when they had a full meal and the Itis sets in.

[WildJon]

Glad to see they are doing well and that you are enjoying them! It was a pleasure meeting you and we look forward to doing business again with you soon .

[dragon1974]

So just wanted to drop a quick update on the new arrivals and the Wattley/Wild green mix

Things are progressing better than I expected and I can't believe the growth rates of with both groups. I'm trying to keep up with the WCing and it's paying off (in my eyes, I can't do more WC but maybe when they are ready to spawn we'll see).

The Stendker collection are a month and 1 day since I got them

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The Wattley/Wild Greens I received on Feb 1st

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Can't wait till they are ready to breed. I have to say unlike my other purchases, I don't have an issue with them being sick or anything to date (knock on wood....).
Anyway enjoy

[Altum Nut]

Very nice :thumbsup:....are these Wattley/Wild Greens from Vern.
Keep doing what your doing and keep us updated.

...Ralph

[dragon1974]

Yep from Vern. Again they're moving along nicely.

[dragon1974]

Small update as I'm setting up the new F2 tank.

Growth seems to be normal I think, I'm still trying to keep up with the 2 -3 day water changing, but it's summer and I have to take the kids outside else they'll go crazy. Longest I went without WC is 4 days. When that happens, I end up changing all water in both tanks and starting fresh.

They were due to get a change lastnight but you know what happened there LOL

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Wild Green's are coming along really well. I guess the experts can chime in and let me know what you think (but don't be too harsh remember kids and wife LOL)

The Silver PB's are doing great too, I have no issues with them and I like how round they are and the fin colours. They are really nice to watch.

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Well I'll come back once I have more developments etc.

[dragon1974]

One more thing, I'm going to be adding some DW the Silver PB tank probably on the weekend. So we'll see how that comes out.

[Phillydubs]

Looking great so far! Did you split the silvers and tefe up to their own tanks? What size tanks are they in??

Thanks for documenting this all was cool to read... Gotta keep up on those WC!! Especially w growing fish!! Trust me I know all too well I have a 1 year old and a wife with one in the oven... I used to take your approach and unfortunately my fish suffered and I would spend 10x the time, effort and money to remedy the sick ones than I would ever do in a hour of a solid water change. Not to mention the stress and anxiety it would bring to me knowing it was my fault a fish was sick... My wife has come a long way in this hobby with me and she now knows and is on board with the water changea beat out playing fish doc any day!

Not picking on you or saying you are doing anything wrong at all! Hope you don't take it that way just saying I can relate 1000% as I am sure many of us here can and giving my own advice. It seems like you are doing an amazing job with them given their growth and how they look. I would be lying if I said things didn't come up and I didn't miss a WC here and there but it's no longer the norm...

Keep up the great work and documentation can't wait to see more!!!

[dragon1974]

Hey man I don't take anything personally. I can't do the daily wc thing and I pretty much have the 2 day 90% thing down and maybe once every other month I have a bad week. Comparing my past experiences to my present stock it's like night and day. All the discus are not showing any sign of anything and that's a complement to the breeders that supplied the stock. I used to go to an imported for my other discus and you know what, they always had something. One day their good the next day not eating. One week normal, the next worms. I almost packed it in, the only reason I stuck it out was bc of a blue diamond pair I had that were acting normal. And I think they're looking great for the age and eating like pigs. I can honestly say I'm enjoying the hobby because of these new ones.

Btw I sold the Tefe's to get the cuipeua batch yesterday. They were nice but I had a better opportunity with the new batch of wilds. Anyway off to wc now.

[Altum Nut]

Your doing a great job with this group Dragon. Also knowing they came from Vern only adds to the confidence that they are healthy and will turn out spectacular under your care.
It's been to long since my last visit at Vern's.

...Ralph

[dragon1974]

Hey Altum Nut,

No worries man, I think they look great to and I can't wait to breed them. Vern is a great guy and I wish I had more coin and more tanks to take his Blues LOL.

[dragon1974]

Looking great so far! Did you split the silvers and tefe up to their own tanks? What size tanks are they in??

Thanks for documenting this all was cool to read... Gotta keep up on those WC!! Especially w growing fish!! Trust me I know all too well I have a 1 year old and a wife with one in the oven... I used to take your approach and unfortunately my fish suffered and I would spend 10x the time, effort and money to remedy the sick ones than I would ever do in a hour of a solid water change. Not to mention the stress and anxiety it would bring to me knowing it was my fault a fish was sick... My wife has come a long way in this hobby with me and she now knows and is on board with the water changea beat out playing fish doc any day!

Not picking on you or saying you are doing anything wrong at all! Hope you don't take it that way just saying I can relate 1000% as I am sure many of us here can and giving my own advice. It seems like you are doing an amazing job with them given their growth and how they look. I would be lying if I said things didn't come up and I didn't miss a WC here and there but it's no longer the norm...

Keep up the great work and documentation can't wait to see more!!!


Hey Philly,

I have 8 of the Wild green in a 75 gal, 5 Silver PB in another 75 gal and the 6 Cuipeua F2's in the last 75 gal

I think that's why I can get away with the 2-3 day changes because of the stocking level atm.

[Phillydubs]

Dragon,

First of... Where the hell are the pics of these Cuipeua's?? Or are you enjoying teasing me and the rest of us?? Hahaha!!

Thanks for all the info and the quick responses as well, this has been a fun thread and I can't wait to see more!

I would agree with you... You do have a small amount in a large tank so the levels probably never get to where my over stocked tanks do... Not to mention you are doing a pretty high turnover anyway, I think you said 90 every 2 days... given what you have on your plate at home, that is a great feat and no wonder you are having such success!

Keep up the good work and keep the pics coming!

[dragon1974]

Hey Philly,

Check under the Our Tank Journals link. I didn't take any close ups but I will in the future

[sailboat]

Good job on the fish I think they look great. On the Wild Discus do you use your tap water or RO?

[dragon1974]

Treated tap water only. I have 2 55 gal barrels that I treat with prime and air.

I use 50/50 ro/tap for breeding.

[dragon1974]

Small pic update

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[dragon1974]

Some more pics as I couldn't sleep this morning. Got up at 3 am, went and bothered the misses but she booted me out the bed LOL. Second best thing, do a WC and take some pics of my other kids

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[Eddie]

Nice looking groups of fish.

[dragon1974]

Small update as I'm getting back into things at the house after vacation

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Here are the SP from the Germans

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Added some plants and I'm going to plumb the tank for semi-auto water changes. Want to send some pvc in about half to 3/4 way down the tank so I can turn a valve to do WCing.

Pic below was my vacation spot in Maui.

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[Trevor W]

Great looking fish! Thanks for sharing, I would love to get some of Verns fish. Keep the updates coming!

[pastry]

Great grow out thread. Love seeing two different strains. Thanks.

[dragon1974]

Some more pics...

Wild Green biggest rounding out at 6" and the smallest is close to 5"

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u208/dragon1974_photo/Mobile%20Uploads/20151102_192745_zpsc26bgt5s.jpg

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SP

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[jawfish]

Hey Dragon1974 you're doing a fantastic job on both groups... Those Wattley-Green mix are very nice... and those silver pigeon well they will really start showing their true colors in the coming months... They are interesting on that level.

Cheers,

Fred

[dragon1974]

Just a quick note today. Woke up this morning to do a quick WC and found 5 out of the group showing signs that they're ready to do the nasty. I'll try to take a vid and upload it but I'm pretty excited about them being ready or almost ready. By my calculations they're still sub adults, because in Feb they'll be 14 months I think.

So funny to watch them and my wife think I'm sick....Regular porn, fish porn...Same thing....

[jmf3460]

....Regular porn, fish porn...Same thing....

I will kindly disagree here. fish porn has much better music.

[pastry]

I will kindly disagree here. fish porn has much better music.

LMAO... but 100 percent agree :p

[Altum Nut]

Dragon...you did a great job with them and Vern will be proud.

...Ralph

[dragon1974]

Thanks for the complements guys. Without the info from this site and some direction from the experienced guys here, I would not have had this much fun.

Almost a year ago I was close to packing it in and my wife convinced me to give it another try. So I sold all my stock and tanks, got a new setup and followed the information freely given here and the reset is history.

I think the one important thing to note is the quantity of WCing. I upped the WCing and the % of water I changed and that made a huge difference. All fish are healthy and doing great.

I hope to have more success within the next few months and hopefully I'll have a tank full of babies for the new year.

[Altum Nut]

I'm glad you stuck around Dragon...
I remain in this hobby for the love of Discus in general and don't care whether they breed for re-sale.
I knew coming in that with this hobby money goes in and don't expect any returns from my investment.
Hopefully the interest expands here in Canada where it's nice to see your continued success with these grow-out groups.

...Ralph

[jawfish]

I'm glad also Dragon1974 that you stuck around. Like Ralph said hopefully we can build up the interest in quality discus and not those cheap puppy mill discus for the stamp collectors.

You got some great stock in those Wattley Green mix. I'm looking forward to your video. I find them really interesting.

Cheers,

Fred

[dragon1974]

I'm glad you stuck around Dragon...
I remain in this hobby for the love of Discus in general and don't care whether they breed for re-sale.
I knew coming in that with this hobby money goes in and don't expect any returns from my investment.
Hopefully the interest expands here in Canada where it's nice to see your continued success with these grow-out groups.

...Ralph

Yeah Ralph,

I too love discus and I always thought that I was buying from a decent supplier. I was never in it for the money, I believe that eventually I'll have to sell the babies as I don't have space to have 300 or 400 fish around LOL. I think that was partly my problem, my stock was always sick and every 3 or 4 months I would lose 1 or 2 discus. Now, I have discus from good ppl that are in it for the love of having discus (yeah some money can be made from the hobby but not truck loads). Not to mention, they are really beautiful animals and it shows when the supplier takes some pride in the stock.

I'm happy that I went to Vern and he did give me some pointers/direction and it is paying off. I really didn't want to disappoint Vern TBH LOL. It sounds silly but how would it look if I called him and said I needed another batch of discus because the first batch died? Anyway it's all working out

[Akili]

Altum Nut and dragon1974 Guys all I am going to add to this is Vern is really helpful when it come to Discus. I got my first Discus in 1990 breed by him,they were Red Turquoise Discus.In those days he use to raise fry artificially.One never gets disappointed when dealing with him. Another thing I want to mention is when you truly love Discus then you always come back to it. I am going to stop by Vern sometime next week to pick up something that he is saving for me, I will pass him your regards.

[dragon1974]

Hey Akili,

Yeah man, tell Vern to keep some Watley's for me....That's going to be my next batch

[dragon1974]

Small Pic update

WG/WB, I didn't get a vid of them doing the bump and grind yet but I will

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The SP tank I was playing around with a marine light I got

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[rickztahone]

Great looking groups. Really like that last group.

[Phillydubs]

Those SP's are awesome! Really nice!

[Phillydubs]

Hey Dragon, I saw you going back and forth with Pat over another group you have the wild crosses that you were having trouble with... Do you have these 3 tanks running? Are you only having the issue in one tank but the rest are fine?

[dragon1974]

Yeah, I do have 3 tanks going atm.

Only one is showing any signs of anything, I'm waiting for the 2 week mark to see if another one dies.

For now, the other tank looks good with the last 4 acting normal. I'm following Pats advice and removing the food after half hour and I reduced the quantity of food in the tank. Everything looks good to this point.

[dragon1974]

Well, it's been a year since I had this group. I'm going to upload a 2 minute vid on how they look later today

[rickztahone]

I am very anxious to see this video :)

[Akili]

Well, it's been a year since I had this group. I'm going to upload a 2 minute vid on how they look later todayLooking forward to see how much they look like their parents.

[dragon1974]

Sorry guys, busy this weekend with the kids. Tonight I'll get the both tanks up

Good part is this group numbers have not changed since I got them LOL. The 8 are still kicking and looking good.

[Dis82]

Nice discus and thread. I look forward to the update. Do you still have the silvers?

[dragon1974]

Yeah still do, I'm having problems uploading the vids through photobucket. I'll upload images tonight.

[Second Hand Pat]

Yeah still do, I'm having problems uploading the vids through photobucket. I'll upload images tonight.

You might consider using youtube for your videos.
Pat

[dragon1974]

This is the Wild Green Mix. The second vid looks a bit better


https://youtu.be/Ac4v9ZsYrjU


https://youtu.be/kgH2MVvb7bw

[dragon1974]

This is a couple vids of the SP

They will be hitting 1 yr in may


https://youtu.be/QNS5KAMvIG0


https://youtu.be/jg4zFF2V0aU

[Phillydubs]

Very very nice! Any measurements ?

[dragon1974]

Have not taken them out since the last time but they range between 5" and 6"
The SP are btw 4" and 5"

[Second Hand Pat]

This is the Wild Green Mix. The second vid looks a bit better


https://youtu.be/Ac4v9ZsYrjU


https://youtu.be/kgH2MVvb7bw

The wild green stamp is strong on these fish. They look great. :)
Pat

[dragon1974]

Thanks Pat, really can't wait for them to start making babies. I threw the cone in to see if the couples would come out. I have a bunch of lookers but no takers yet.

[Akili]

After watch your videos I am tempted to stop by Vern.It is not going to long before you have pairs as you are aware that I got some fish from Vern Archer a couple of week later than you and I have two pairs bonded from the group of 10.

[dragon1974]

Still tempted to try another group from Vern

[Akili]

Still tempted to try another group from VernSo am I but wife wants me to set up the fish room first.

[dragon1974]

Nice, I have tanks if you're interested LOL. My wife told me to start making babies or else......

[Akili]

I have three 35 gal tank and will adding 4 more and also have fourteen 20 H gal ones.But it is going to a little time, have to budget from the pension income.

[rickztahone]

So am I but wife wants me to set up the fish room first.

Every discus keepers favorite fantasy of what you want your spouse to say lol

[Altum Nut]

Still tempted to try another group from Vern

They look great dragon. I've been wanting to go see Vern for a while now.


So am I but wife wants me to set up the fish room first.

I'm in the same boat Akill...want to set-up fish room before I start stocking further but sometimes it's tempting seeing what is out there.

...Ralph

[Dis82]

Really nice. How do you like the silvers? I'm not sure why I like them, I usually am interested in the wilds or red and blue turks. In person are they more like silver or albino? Nice work raising these groups

[dragon1974]

Thanks for the complements, it was and still is hard as my 3 little babies are all below 6 LOL. I try to get up at 4:30 to do the WCing but it's getting harder and harder hahah.

The SP's are easy, much easier than the F1 wilds LOL and I never had any major issues with them. I want to try another wild group or maybe some blue knights but we'll see. I'm paying to have 2 of the kids in daycare so at this point not sure if I'll get another group for a while.

[dragon1974]

Thanks Pat, really can't wait for them to start making babies. I threw the cone in to see if the couples would come out. I have a bunch of lookers but no takers yet.

Funny enough, did a WC in the morning for the group, when I got home I was checking the camera and definitely seeing some signs that pairing and some slow music will be happening soon.

I love to see them tail stand and kickout the ventral fins and slowly rock backwards. MY wife still thinks I'm sick LOL for watching

[Second Hand Pat]

Hmmm, reason we have fish is to watch their behaviors and such :D
Pat

[dragon1974]

Just sitting here in the office and I realized that this is a year I had these fish LOL. Can't believe that I did a years worth of WCing with these babies.

Well, here's to another year with Simply Discus.:o

[rickztahone]

Just sitting here in the office and I realized that this is a year I had these fish LOL. Can't believe that I did a years worth of WCing with these babies.

Well, here's to another year with Simply Discus.:o

here here!

[jawfish]

Thanks for the complements, it was and still is hard as my 3 little babies are all below 6 LOL. I try to get up at 4:30 to do the WCing but it's getting harder and harder hahah.

The SP's are easy, much easier than the F1 wilds LOL and I never had any major issues with them. I want to try another wild group or maybe some blue knights but we'll see. I'm paying to have 2 of the kids in daycare so at this point not sure if I'll get another group for a while.

Yhea stendkers are real tanks... I do have issues with their shape as I'm not a fan of the water drop shape they develop latter in life, but they are hardy. I hear you on the difficulty of raising F1's, my previous experiences have been so...so.. Today I'm doing things differently i.e. wet dry's with UV, I feed them more, 5 times a day, and differently... much more varied diet. Plus I keep the temp up for the two years. The other thing is that I'm sticking to my grow-out regiment for 2.5-3 years from now on. I used to cut back on the feeding when they hit 14-15 months. Every one agrees that they can grow for more than 2 years, might as well feed them that way.

Cheers,

Fred

[dragon1974]

OK so a quick update,

Over the past couple weeks, the family got whatever cold/flu that's going around so all I've done was feed and change water on the group. Last week I check in the morning and my SP tank was eating like pigs, so that night when I went to do a quick WC, I noticed one wasn't swimming right and by the time I finished my WC he really was tipping over and head standing.

Quickly took him out and placed him in a bucket with some Epsom salt, I suspected it was either bloat/swim bladder although I didn't see any swelling or anything. 2 days passed and I finally saw some tiny bumps in the stomach that looked like something stuck in there. The SP is trying to right itself and swim around but then just ends up at the bottom of the QT. He still breaths normal and it's eyes are clear and alert. Every time I go to take a look in, it swims up to the glass all be it upside down. Now it's been a few days, and finally seen some poop come out but it's slow going. Can someone tell me how long should I keep up the salt treatment and how long should it take to pass out?

I'll get some pics tonight

[Dhavalsp]

Such a nice thread. keep up the good work.

sorry about the recent trouble you have mentioned, I am sure it will be taken care off soon.

Quick question, are those regular 75 Gallon tanks?

[dragon1974]

Yes regular 75's. I'm hoping that he'll be ok. Last night I did another WC and while I was checking I realized that I left the heater unplugged for 2 days.....Ooohhhh Sh####t!!!. Anyway he's still trying to get upright so I did another bout of the salt treatment in hopes he pass whatever it is today. Tonight when I get home I'll check in on him.

[dragon1974]

Small update, finally my SP is looking back to his/her (it think its a boy) self. I stopped the salt/Epsom salt treatment when he didn't improve within 36 hours and opted for a Metro round. This week I believe is 2 weeks of daily WC and metro treatments every 2 days.

Pics to follow of before and after

[jawfish]

Glad to hear that Silver Pigeon made a comeback.

Any pairing action happening with them ?
I think mine are mostly males as they never shown any interest to breed, Why I drop a known female the dominant ones are all courting her and pushing the smaller one away.
I'll most likely order some females to try to breed them. They are my wife favorite strain and she's letting me build a proper fishroom in the new house its an acceptable trade off ;)

Cheers,

Fred

[dragon1974]

I think I might be lucky and have 2 males and 3 females. I'm looking just to the body shape and fins but I could be wrong and we'll have to wait and see. I'm assuming this is also the reason that I have 1 sick fish as the others are grouped in pairs and that one is the 5th wheel. They are not showing any signs of breeding other than the pairing up. The wild green tank has more action as 2 of them are darker than all others and you know the fins are shaking like crazy. I see the alpha male (the biggest of out of the group) is taking one of the females off to corner her near the DW and 2 days ago I saw them pecking at it. We'll see, as I was sick for a couple weeks so I wasn't paying them close attention other than trying to keep up with Wcing.

I've reintroduced the sick SP back to the group and everything seems to be ok. I'll vid the tank and post it when I have time.

[Dis82]

Sounds like you should have some eggs any time now. A bid or some pics would be cool. Would love to see the silver pigeons too