rellik
05-20-2017, 07:31 PM
Problem
I wanted to post this here both for input from the forum and chronological story for myself to be able to reference.
1. Please explain the problems with your fish.
I have had the fish for about a month when I noticed the problem. Nothing new happened that I am aware of.
2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).
I have 6 fish and one of them turned dark over a few days. Started turning a little dark the first day, then seem to go back to normal, same thing the next day. Day 3 he stayed dark and stopped eating. Thought this was off so I watched him for a couple days more and once I was sure he was not eating and remained dark I moved him to a hospital tank. I would have moved him sooner, but was in the process of moving tanks and didn't have it set up. None of the other fish have shown any symptoms to date. All still eating and moving around like happy little discs.
3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results.
The first day I moved him over to the hospital tank I added salt, 20gal tank and 4 tsp of salt. I left him in the salt water until I changed the water and then didn't add any more. I raised the temps after chatting with Kenny in hopes of increasing his metabolism and getting him to eat. Day 3 in the hospital he began eating, but remained dark.
Tank/Water
4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.
55 gal tank, 6 fish. Ranging in size from 3.75 to 4.5. Got them from Kenny a little over a month ago.
5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).
Daily changes, at least 75% sometimes more never less. The hospital tank has been getting 2 x daily changes of closer to 90% and I increase the main tank changes as well.
6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?
Bare bottom tank, a little over a month with fish, 2 months before getting it cycled and ready. Total of about 3 months running.
7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.
I dont normally age my water as the PH from the tap and tank are very similar. I have tried aging it for the hospital tank to see if it helped at all. No change in PH, but figured it was worth a shot.
8. Parameters and water source;
- temp 84 (Hospital tank is at 88)
- ph 7.0
- ammonia reading 0
- nitrite reading 0 or very close in both tanks
- nitrate reading 0 - 10 ,my eyes arent what they used to be so hard to get an exact.
What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.
Municipal Tap water. Clorine and Chloramines added, I use Prime to counter this.
9. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.
None.
10. Please tell us what you feed your fish and how often. This can be critical information for solving the problem so be as specific as you can.
FDBW once a day, discius gold Pellets 2 x a day.
11. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.
Before anything(He is in the middle of the Picture and he hardly ever left this spot):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ta5UTDQl5eOTSuSaD-_slJfguv-Lh2UolH68a679Jlyw73sAyolmrO54OP9I3_jYxzMTmp1hlaF_S YrRhnx2gFqWeILvA1ZBKRh1LJ0jgx8C6UETeZRz2Mool-XAd79j8z90ZLMYeP3zBxNIF72ut5yoTJVcHHtVrOTDea7i10iG UbPqKshSudVWysijXVij6vQs_b5y4jci2_Cr8umSnQxjPSoHSt CFR6PFqloz_JviYuaKYvkEsSEgwjqdLbCZfwSMGMRB6jRLAxjT UGcnP95kcrvzGAVZwtZAaJ9WhlNbFD_GsTARTPI_qIwmI0Iq8i Q8zRMg2UR_pWu_3qjidSiSlhzuArMq8tI6CPmozke5Q6XvrYCR clymxjMtIM3r_xzk_1CdkaJEy4ANMGvwzfv0Dut44YlRfDug8-Z8_uOCIfjLZp-Rt2On5jBkOAScIFVm0MLdG3swQOisVlTiOXLq8DQgwuvieP9_L DUYvxRqsRyf-v9pYpcrdokSc-zFMf3eaOJenF2JUSBTnQ6aGPYmIQXIx8bvrJW-Bao1jhMEp_p67Y5nm4x0KjkLCxLe9l8sTMifuS0-rg24Iwpfuo5P2uQrZxndAdPwVBIrnKme6QCrxqGxmr1q1sl1C9 PVjHlJdA6WYQRiawvAByMaf34woh50heGz3wcZudujzuE=w146 1-h974-no
When I first saw him go dark(Bottom Fish):
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After a week in the hospital, sorry for the zoom the dark semi circle was not showing up on camera for some reason and the zoom helped:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rw0qPQoAEdfT2rmc66YJ0H5c4nHnI5mxo0ttZUSI8s9Sxgeuvl 22jdCqakcSAhRjL9yFUH73JAczakz6fStpni3KIkobRCqmoLJ_ WGVYfptmbefy7XBeDDuGKHWVx3VmFyT8FHAh_O1vJCPJ8Tfd7j oJCr-wJdaAXWZ0hL_UCyR4-JaqPCBSRnt0apkyIsmUKvAP0R17CPdStTl4t9iE4dgSxuZihke h9id1GeDtiY4CaZXO7wnuxt55Fc3jiLWIHyOfNxB7jxK9Pe5yf eSG_KKe_HwStOvAdtD7Gh0HEllDNh37ZsISOqA9FC2CnfSAFw4 aa6UGblmReGP3W1hQ92iZm0PLavBJyN6mdmRpVvyBKoZN8E51W lPvtu4fZkBVy5BJAfbUuvbu4GSbbHFOloOUrAaN17fRFSJI82f AURwmqM652l8opG9j0zk5Boiiy0Z8JdBjQLOoDOSB7c7TJHcIw l-HxDB7D-W0I7PmDUcmx3-jt3QypALWIJm7bEeE9xZpc2MgloU8xQS_9MTGrSBqH9HKdM0zk AJerHMAEsknIa_D1CQSQ5gNbuscSN7NT1CRfxIhP0VGbjZSN1V K9WEr_g99KCg_Ub3WP6p-9YN4LslBvscZLg=w1461-h974-no
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He is still darker than he started, but he is eating again and moving around. I plan to continue the more frequent water changes and watch him unless someone sees something I don't, which I am open to but hoping you dont :P Thanks everyone and a special thanks to Kenny for helping me out and talking me down as I was freaking out.
I wanted to post this here both for input from the forum and chronological story for myself to be able to reference.
1. Please explain the problems with your fish.
I have had the fish for about a month when I noticed the problem. Nothing new happened that I am aware of.
2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills, white/yellow/green poop, hiding, headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus, blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).
I have 6 fish and one of them turned dark over a few days. Started turning a little dark the first day, then seem to go back to normal, same thing the next day. Day 3 he stayed dark and stopped eating. Thought this was off so I watched him for a couple days more and once I was sure he was not eating and remained dark I moved him to a hospital tank. I would have moved him sooner, but was in the process of moving tanks and didn't have it set up. None of the other fish have shown any symptoms to date. All still eating and moving around like happy little discs.
3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results.
The first day I moved him over to the hospital tank I added salt, 20gal tank and 4 tsp of salt. I left him in the salt water until I changed the water and then didn't add any more. I raised the temps after chatting with Kenny in hopes of increasing his metabolism and getting him to eat. Day 3 in the hospital he began eating, but remained dark.
Tank/Water
4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.
55 gal tank, 6 fish. Ranging in size from 3.75 to 4.5. Got them from Kenny a little over a month ago.
5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).
Daily changes, at least 75% sometimes more never less. The hospital tank has been getting 2 x daily changes of closer to 90% and I increase the main tank changes as well.
6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?
Bare bottom tank, a little over a month with fish, 2 months before getting it cycled and ready. Total of about 3 months running.
7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.
I dont normally age my water as the PH from the tap and tank are very similar. I have tried aging it for the hospital tank to see if it helped at all. No change in PH, but figured it was worth a shot.
8. Parameters and water source;
- temp 84 (Hospital tank is at 88)
- ph 7.0
- ammonia reading 0
- nitrite reading 0 or very close in both tanks
- nitrate reading 0 - 10 ,my eyes arent what they used to be so hard to get an exact.
What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.
Municipal Tap water. Clorine and Chloramines added, I use Prime to counter this.
9. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.
None.
10. Please tell us what you feed your fish and how often. This can be critical information for solving the problem so be as specific as you can.
FDBW once a day, discius gold Pellets 2 x a day.
11. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.
Before anything(He is in the middle of the Picture and he hardly ever left this spot):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ta5UTDQl5eOTSuSaD-_slJfguv-Lh2UolH68a679Jlyw73sAyolmrO54OP9I3_jYxzMTmp1hlaF_S YrRhnx2gFqWeILvA1ZBKRh1LJ0jgx8C6UETeZRz2Mool-XAd79j8z90ZLMYeP3zBxNIF72ut5yoTJVcHHtVrOTDea7i10iG UbPqKshSudVWysijXVij6vQs_b5y4jci2_Cr8umSnQxjPSoHSt CFR6PFqloz_JviYuaKYvkEsSEgwjqdLbCZfwSMGMRB6jRLAxjT UGcnP95kcrvzGAVZwtZAaJ9WhlNbFD_GsTARTPI_qIwmI0Iq8i Q8zRMg2UR_pWu_3qjidSiSlhzuArMq8tI6CPmozke5Q6XvrYCR clymxjMtIM3r_xzk_1CdkaJEy4ANMGvwzfv0Dut44YlRfDug8-Z8_uOCIfjLZp-Rt2On5jBkOAScIFVm0MLdG3swQOisVlTiOXLq8DQgwuvieP9_L DUYvxRqsRyf-v9pYpcrdokSc-zFMf3eaOJenF2JUSBTnQ6aGPYmIQXIx8bvrJW-Bao1jhMEp_p67Y5nm4x0KjkLCxLe9l8sTMifuS0-rg24Iwpfuo5P2uQrZxndAdPwVBIrnKme6QCrxqGxmr1q1sl1C9 PVjHlJdA6WYQRiawvAByMaf34woh50heGz3wcZudujzuE=w146 1-h974-no
When I first saw him go dark(Bottom Fish):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OGaKev63njy8WmgtQnFRp6HN7iilq7hMsXF-FAJPrnZjBuYsD6fBN2N-dGRtx1lC71aZQe0rUB65p1IoMmWSB-c2cDiQSI7AoqVl1iHC39LKVyUBqZ6Q0zIQ8z885bqU-3Kzj1yn8IhGfzHXrghyhKxNAOeoaOvizZzAkWiaVDOrkL1fBcw D6vqbMt2h04wnRV4BX5xHogWRtxUbHnhsmxarCfQkDKs5DKSr0 LPPQPy7gngWoE-e5qP-yZk9C51yBCHbfZjin2CNStw5H05Xo7eN819A7LbkCS9dE-awgK_GXChQbho-OAzUOx8InSzIErfgB4mFZSq_2yNBj7UGlE9Ln-wMDRR5wVE0bTbXUvT1Qlr4XquvKT3ZqthUxiQh4aP52wo6ar2f 1ES7ygrh0l0sxvcXryEkzGtVFAYzEFaqj8D_cadRSRLux74wVz 12h8owyrcdoQ9iMtteRYXXwdEuXMP7VFMk2VZiErB2HpVy1-lnwWC-l8N_e_6qgcCCUGVtL5vkT3nBfEf3WQNvUx9D8s9wg9zalfc6No hf84aIDC8_l3gYtV42MBJdt5PatQe46ktX7KCvTu0mT1Z4mDVt edZbIbUFFA8L4aUl5jDMNJp-AC9CGQ=w548-h974-no
After a week in the hospital, sorry for the zoom the dark semi circle was not showing up on camera for some reason and the zoom helped:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rw0qPQoAEdfT2rmc66YJ0H5c4nHnI5mxo0ttZUSI8s9Sxgeuvl 22jdCqakcSAhRjL9yFUH73JAczakz6fStpni3KIkobRCqmoLJ_ WGVYfptmbefy7XBeDDuGKHWVx3VmFyT8FHAh_O1vJCPJ8Tfd7j oJCr-wJdaAXWZ0hL_UCyR4-JaqPCBSRnt0apkyIsmUKvAP0R17CPdStTl4t9iE4dgSxuZihke h9id1GeDtiY4CaZXO7wnuxt55Fc3jiLWIHyOfNxB7jxK9Pe5yf eSG_KKe_HwStOvAdtD7Gh0HEllDNh37ZsISOqA9FC2CnfSAFw4 aa6UGblmReGP3W1hQ92iZm0PLavBJyN6mdmRpVvyBKoZN8E51W lPvtu4fZkBVy5BJAfbUuvbu4GSbbHFOloOUrAaN17fRFSJI82f AURwmqM652l8opG9j0zk5Boiiy0Z8JdBjQLOoDOSB7c7TJHcIw l-HxDB7D-W0I7PmDUcmx3-jt3QypALWIJm7bEeE9xZpc2MgloU8xQS_9MTGrSBqH9HKdM0zk AJerHMAEsknIa_D1CQSQ5gNbuscSN7NT1CRfxIhP0VGbjZSN1V K9WEr_g99KCg_Ub3WP6p-9YN4LslBvscZLg=w1461-h974-no
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He is still darker than he started, but he is eating again and moving around. I plan to continue the more frequent water changes and watch him unless someone sees something I don't, which I am open to but hoping you dont :P Thanks everyone and a special thanks to Kenny for helping me out and talking me down as I was freaking out.