Fin rot.

[Spilo]

Hi guys.
So about 3 month ago i noticed that my discus had a bit of a fin rot. I uped wc but the damaged fin did not grow back actually even speead to a second fin.
My questions to you guys are: will the fins grow back? How can i treat him: should i treat his gf.
Currently in a 20 gal breeding tank on a system that runs 4x20 gal tank plus 30 gal sump.
Total of 4 adult discuses in the system
Wc 5% twice a day
80% twice a week.
80 once a week wc prior fin rot.
No new tank mates but i think i got some x-contamination from my qt. I accidentally used the same siphon on both tanks. Even though all new fish are healthy, they are German bred and the old ones are asian bred.
Amonia, nitrite = 0
Nitrate 15 - 20
Ph 8.2
Tds 220 started using salt at 1 tbl spn /10 gal.
Visually i can't see anything else wrong with him.
Seems to be eating fine.

[Spilo]

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[Spilo]

Problem

1. Please explain the problems with your fish. When did you notice the problems and did anything unusual happen that you think started them?
Fin rot

2. Symptoms (i.e. turning dark, excess slime, not eating, clamped fins, flashing, darting, clamped gills,*white/yellow/green poop, hiding,*headstanding or tailstanding, white on tips of fins, rotting or fungus,*blisters/white zits on fish, bloated, cloudy eyes, wounds).
Sometimes gets agitated easily.

3. What medications/ treatments have you already tried and what were the results. Include dosage and duration of treatment.
Salt ar 1tblspn per gal for 2 months now. No change


Tank/Water

4. Tank size and ages, numbers and sizes of fish.
4 x 5.5"-6" discuses in 110 gal system


5. Water change regime (What percentage and how often).
80% twice a week.
5% twice a day.

6. How long has tank been running? Is it bare bottom? If you have substrate, what type and how deep is it?
About 1 year.
Bare bottom

7. Do you age your water? If you do for how long and what is the ph swing.
Age it for 24 hrs with air and heater.

8. Parameters and water source;

Note: Water Parameters are important in diagnosing problems within a tank. If you don't own test kits for the following information, you can purchase them, test your parameters and post this info as soon as possible.



- temp ___82__

- ph __8.2___*

- ammonia reading ___0_

- nitrite reading _0___

- nitrate reading _15-20___

What type of water or combinations of water sources do you use? If it is an RO/tap/well water mix, please list percentages in the mix.

- well water ____

- municipal water __100%__with prime

- RO water ____



9. Any new fish, plants or inverts added recently.
No

10. Please tell us what you feed your fish and how often. This can be critical information for solving the problem so be as specific as you can.
BH home made food twice a day


11. Include any pictures or videos you have which shows the symptoms. If you can't add them to this post, please provide a link to them.

Thanks guys and gals for your help.

[Spilo]

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

[Spilo]

Will ventral fins grow back in time?

[brewmaster15]

Hi Spilo,
Unfortunately those do not always grow back well. One thing I can advise is that kind of damage often occurs from dragging along tank bottoms where food and debris builds up. It can be made worse if the tank is on the smaller size and the discus on the larger size. Id suggest paying close attention to wiping and cleaning the tank bottoms and consider upsizing the tank... 29 gal-30 gals give you a little more margin of error.

As for the current condition...you can try swabbing the effected area with hydrogen peroxide. On the other fish in the system you can tell if they have the same thing starting by the appearence of whitish fungus on the fin tips... the fungus is feeding on the dead and damaged tissue.
I wouldnt treat them if they are fine.

Hope this helps,
al

[Spilo]

It sure does.
Thanks Al.

[Spilo]

Hi guys.
So I kept up on wc even increased it to 90% every day. Tanks get wiped down every day.
Swabbed the affected area with hp.
Now another fish that was in the same tank stopped eating, always hiding in the corner, dark and belly looks really swollen, also noticed that one of the fins is getting a bit shorter. Tried Epsom salt 1 tablespoon per 10g and again in 4 hrs but 48 hrs later all I saw was long, brownish clear, not white feces. That took almost 12 hrs to pass.
My friend suggested to treat with antibiotics so I started a round of furan2.
I'm not convinced this will help but not sure what else to do.

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Spilo, got your pm. It is ok to add salt with Furan 2. I have found salt to be very effective with Furan 2. The best way to dose Furan 2 is daily after a 50% or better water change. You will dose for the volume of the tank. Also do not be afraid to continue using Furan 2 after four days if you do not see improvement. I do not recall the Furan 2 affecting the BB.
Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

Is the belly still swollen?
Pat

[Spilo]

Hi Pat.
Thank you for replying.
I started the treatment this morning so no changes as of yet.
I will add salt asap.
1 tablespoons per 10 gal I hope this is ok and I will also change at least 50% of water every day / redoes.
Thanks again

[Spilo]

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[Spilo]

Can anyone tell me what's going on with his eye.
It almast looks like the center of his eye is bulging out.
Thank you in advance.

[Spilo]

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[Spilo]

Has anyone seen something like this?

[brewmaster15]

Check your pH. Thats a classic pH burn from a crash.. I have had it happen here . If you catch it soon enough the eyes usually heal but it can lead to blindness if you don't.

al

[Spilo]

Thanks Al.
Ph seems normal now. 8.2 as usual.
I was treating him with clout for gill flukes when i first noticed the eye. Used it twice with 90% wc in between Maybe it altered the ph.
Stopped medicating and doubled the wc, at 90% twice a day now. Hopefully he recovers soon.