Discus Parasite

[joricano]

So does anyone know what this is? I've searched high and low on the internet and Untergasser's Handbook of fish diseases but could not figure out what this parasite is and how to kill it.

I've tried Levamisole and Flubendezole(Kusuri Wormer Plus) but can't seem to kill it.

[jimg]

So does anyone know what this is? I've searched high and low on the internet and Untergasser's Handbook of fish diseases but could not figure out what this parasite is and how to kill it.

I've tried Levamisole and Flubendezole(Kusuri Wormer Plus) but can't seem to kill it.

i would say just a detritus worm . would think wp would have worked. I wouldn't worry about it. many things you will find scoping most are harmless

[joricano]

This fish does not eat as well. Which the reason why i checked the feces.

[brewmaster15]

This fish does not eat as well. Which the reason why i checked the feces.

Was that a fresh catch from the fish or was the feces in the water for a bit.

al

[jimg]

If you saw no eggs or worms in feces or feces not yellow then I would up temp to 88 treat 2 weeks on metro (Jehmco). If no improvement leave it be. When I scoped and found things I found most references googling pond life or similar searches

[joricano]

Was that a fresh catch from the fish or was the feces in the water for a bit.

al

Not a fresh catch, but it's the only fish in the hospital tank. There are no detritus since tank was sanitized before it was stored. Feces is also whitish yellow(not the normal feces)

[joricano]

If you saw no eggs or worms in feces or feces not yellow then I would up temp to 88 treat 2 weeks on metro (Jehmco). If no improvement leave it be. When I scoped and found things I found most references googling pond life or similar searches

When i first put the fish in the hospital tank I could see tiny little things(which is what hexamita looks like according to the Youtube videos i've seen) along with this worm looking things. I treated with Metro and what's left is that huge worm looking thing. There's lots of them too. At least 6 in the slide. I wanted to show what it looked like whole since i couldn't upload the video clip.
That's when i treated with dewormers(levamisole and Kusuri) But these things doesn't seem to be affected by it.

[jimg]

Try to get fresh feces need patience! Other things (harmless)are always in water especially if your water is from an open watercourse they also come with the fish on their bodies. Could also be planarians. If worms are present in fish you will see them or eggs Was. The fish eating before the levamisole?

[joricano]

Try to get fresh feces need patience! Other things (harmless)are always in water especially if your water is from an open watercourse they also come with the fish on their bodies. Could also be planarians. If worms are present in fish you will see them or eggs Was. The fish eating before the levamisole?

Nope. Fish stopped eating so i moved it to hospital tank. Then i looked at the feces and found hex looking flagellates and this worm looking things. Treated with metro and flagellates are gone but this worm looking things are still alive.

Planarians can be seen by the naked eye right? This is a x100 magnification

[jimg]

There are many different types some too small to be seen some bigger not sure it is a planarian type worm just a guess. I would keep scoping run the recommended wormer treatment then just leave be. Flagellates or worms can irritate the intestines for awhile after their gone if it’s ok it will eventually eat if not it may never be well. Best is to get meds in food. In water is mostly just a long shot. If you already did metro leave temp 82 and hope for the best

[joricano]

There are many different types some too small to be seen some bigger not sure it is a planarian type worm just a guess. I would keep scoping run the recommended wormer treatment then just leave be. Flagellates or worms can irritate the intestines for awhile after their gone if it’s ok it will eventually eat if not it may never be well. Best is to get meds in food. In water is mostly just a long shot. If you already did metro leave temp 82 and hope for the best

OK..it still eats live blackworms but that's it

[brewmaster15]

Check your live blackworm containers to see if they are there as well. These may be from the water the worms are in.

al

[joricano]

Check your live blackworm containers to see if they are there as well. These may be from the water the worms are in.

al

This parasite was there before i started feeding live blackworms. The only reason i fed the fish live blackworm was because it was the only food it ate. I can check the water but i don't think i'll find it there.

[Paul Sabucchi]

Difficult to say from a single and static picture, anyway it seems not to be segmented (so not an oligochaeta) and somewhat flattened so my guess would be some sort of (micro) Turbellaria

[joricano]

Difficult to say from a single and static picture, anyway it seems not to be segmented (so not an oligochaeta) and somewhat flattened so my guess would be some sort of (micro) Turbellaria

You might be right with the micro turbellaria. It looks similar from the google images that came up

[joricano]

Check your live blackworm containers to see if they are there as well. These may be from the water the worms are in.

al

Nope not there. These things must've come with the feces.

[shrinkwrap]

So does anyone know what this is? I've searched high and low on the internet and Untergasser's Handbook of fish diseases but could not figure out what this parasite is and how to kill it.

I've tried Levamisole and Flubendezole(Kusuri Wormer Plus) but can't seem to kill it.

This looks a lot like a fluke which include Gyrodactylus and Dactylogyrus. These are skin and gill parasites, not GI parasites. Alternatively, it could be one of the small worms that inhabit all tanks and collect on fish poop soon after it hits the tank bottom. It is not likely the cause of your fish's lack of appetite unless the skin or gills are heavily infected. A few of these on the skin or gills will not cause significant problems for the fish. You can youtube how to do skin scrapings and gill biopsies in order to rule out the possibility of disease from these. I applaud you for using a microscope, but to consider GI parasites, it is crucial to catch the poop before it hits the tank bottom. I know from personal experience that after it hits the bottom of the tank within minutes all manner of critters will start munching on the poop and it will be difficult to identify true parasites. See the Fish Doctor's brief comments and video of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHJ0nKIMvfg

I would encourage you to look for Cryptobia iubilans in fresh poop. I have posted several times on this and posted videos of it. There are also YouTube videos of Cryptobia. At the 2018 NADA meeting vet Dr. Stephen Smith stated Cryptobia was one of the most common, if not the most common, causes of chronic wasting disease in discus. It will not respond to Levamisole, Flubendazole, nor metronidazole.

[joricano]

This looks a lot like a fluke which include Gyrodactylus and Dactylogyrus. These are skin and gill parasites, not GI parasites. Alternatively, it could be one of the small worms that inhabit all tanks and collect on fish poop soon after it hits the tank bottom. It is not likely the cause of your fish's lack of appetite unless the skin or gills are heavily infected. A few of these on the skin or gills will not cause significant problems for the fish. You can youtube how to do skin scrapings and gill biopsies in order to rule out the possibility of disease from these. I applaud you for using a microscope, but to consider GI parasites, it is crucial to catch the poop before it hits the tank bottom. I know from personal experience that after it hits the bottom of the tank within minutes all manner of critters will start munching on the poop and it will be difficult to identify true parasites. See the Fish Doctor's brief comments and video of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHJ0nKIMvfg

I would encourage you to look for Cryptobia iubilans in fresh poop. I have posted several times on this and posted videos of it. There are also YouTube videos of Cryptobia. At the 2018 NADA meeting vet Dr. Stephen Smith stated Cryptobia was one of the most common, if not the most common, causes of chronic wasting disease in discus. It will not respond to Levamisole, Flubendazole, nor metronidazole.

I searched for Gyrodactylus and Dactylogyrus and it' not it. It doesn't have the "whiskers" or the "V" on one end. I've seen the Gyrodactylus once but i have not seen it in my recent samples.

This thing looks flat(blob like almost) and i've been treating with General Cure and i seem to find less and less of this (whatever it is). I'll try to do some skin scrapings to see if they are there.

So i looked in Youtube and this is what i found when i searched Cryptobia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1nOoVkMkHY

So these along with the worm(or whatever it is) was present in the poop. i treated the fish with Metro for 10 days then i let it rest. When i looked at the poop the cryptobia(assuming the post in youtube is correct) was gone. What was left was this Fluke/worm blob.

[shrinkwrap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WucYjMth6gI&t=14s

This is a better video of Cryptobia. It was made and posted by a vet. The twirling motion is characteristic.

Here's my video.
https://youtu.be/qjoD8YZ9jeI

[joricano]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WucYjMth6gI&t=14s

This is a better video of Cryptobia. It was made and posted by a vet. The twirling motion is characteristic.

Here's my video.
https://youtu.be/qjoD8YZ9jeI

Here's a video i found online that shows the parasite i am talking about. Hopefully this will help in ID'ng |

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho94VEbi-LE&t=94s

[Tuterosso]

i think this not problem, show me new movie(fresh poop) from microscope x100 and x400 and i try say what you have

[joricano]

i think this not problem, show me new movie(fresh poop) from microscope x100 and x400 and i try say what you have

It's gonna be a few days before i can get a sample. I'm currently on a job site and won't be home till Friday. But the video(Youtube link) i posted above is exactly what it looks like. Do you know what that is called?

[Tuterosso]

dont know whats its called but ive seen something like this in my tank and dont have problem(in all live forms must be some bacteria and other things), where the movie pls link, but when you come back make another movie and post