Cannabidiol and THC

[bluelagoon]

Has anyone else tried CBD and if so what for and do you get any therapeutic benefits from the product.Also what strength are you using and if you're combining it with THC.I just started using CBD powder and just after 10 doses I can make a fist and have a grip,something I couldn't do a few weeks ago without hurting.I can got a ring on a finger now,which I couldn't before.Seems like my eye site is better at times.Not sure if it's the placebo effect or not but the swelling and pain sure seems to have subsided.Also,I feel more at ease.My dosage is a bit high at 80mg THC and 55mg CBD.Plus I smoke and vape on top of that.

[pitdogg2]

Interesting thread

[brewmaster15]

I have a brother that swears by it, but I am skeptical... If you read what it is reported to treat its pretty unbelievable. Its even supposed to cure cancer. I will say this, though I know its reported to not have bad side effects , Its definitely had a negative effect on my brothers personality and attitude towards things.

al

[bluelagoon]

Personality and attitude change/negative effect.Things like this is what I'm interested in.Can you explain/tell me more?I just started eating this CBD and have never eaten cannabis before it came legal,but have smoked it in the past.I did find that dosage a bit high so I made more caps half that strength 40:40mg.I do find that the high dose of CBD counteracts the THC and you don't have as much of a euphoria.I'm 64 yrs and have arthritis and pain comes with that.I tried many other medications,all of which had side effects and some were right down dangerous.I thought this might be the safest bit since they is no overdose and seemed to me a substance safer than aspirin.It sure seems to be working so far.The reason I mentioned it here is that I wanted to find real people and their experiences and I check this site out every day.

[megatrev62]

Sounds like it is helping you. I do not smoke weed. I can't, it is just too potent for me. My son said he would buy me some with a high CBD with low THC, just to see if it helps me chill a bit. I tried it, and it indeed made me relax with none of the "high" that comes with the THC. I haven't had any in a few weeks and don't know if I will get more ,but it did seem to let me relax and not worry about things so much.lol. Here in St.John's the outlets are always running out and people are getting annoyed with the sellers not ever having enough on hand. If you see that it helps you, that's great.

[fljones3]

The media wants everyone to accept it so they are pushing the so-called benefits. I am skeptical.

[megatrev62]

I know a few potheads and they"can't" live without their weed. Just to add, if they feel they "need" it ,fine and dandy,nothing to me. But looking from the outside I seem to think that potheads don't see or chose to ignore the negative side effects of it with regards to their everyday interactions and "living" if you know what I mean. Sorry I know this is off topic. Again the CBD VS low THC may be exactly what I need.

[megatrev62]

Raising fry at the moment and it could certainly help with that...lol.

[Paul Sabucchi]

You mean to give the fry the munchies or for you to chill? :p

[brewmaster15]

Personality and attitude change/negative effect.Things like this is what I'm interested in.Can you explain/tell me more?Obviously this is not scientific on my part. Its made him at times combative, other times its made him distant and self absorbed. I should say its not that these were drastic changes in him, he had these tendencies before, but its exacerbated them. Its also literally all's he thinks about. He was taking it for pain...

hth,
al

[gunnerschh2]

Just finshed 3yrs. of a cemo cocktail and i know both thc & cbd help thru the pain & s*%t feeings. A sliced & diced back,2 metal knees & the big C if it wasen't for this combo i would be a drug addict.I can get all the opiads i need but what is worse?

[brewmaster15]

Just finshed 3yrs. of a cemo cocktail and i know both thc & cbd help thru the pain & s*%t feeings. A sliced & diced back,2 metal knees & the big C if it wasen't for this combo i would be a drug addict.I can get all the opiads i need but what is worse?

Harry, THanks for the first hand info!

al

[megatrev62]

You mean to give the fry the munchies or for you to chill? :p

Lol

[bluelagoon]

Just finshed 3yrs. of a cemo cocktail and i know both thc & cbd help thru the pain & s*%t feeings. A sliced & diced back,2 metal knees & the big C if it wasen't for this combo i would be a drug addict.I can get all the opiads i need but what is worse?

I too tried the cannabis flower after surgery and metal placements.The opioids and nerve agents(more pain killers) that the doctor prescribed weren't doing the job and I felt like a literal drunk on that stiff.I had to feel a strong euphoria on the opioids before it would even take an effect.One evening I was sitting on the coach with a pounding,throbbing foot pain;smoked some cannabis and wham the throbbing pain was gone,instantly.Next day back to Dr. and asked her to hook me up with a real pain Doctor,so I could get a prescription for cannabis;that was four years ago and I'm glad that I got away from those dangerous drugs that the first doctor had me on.By the way that short a period and I was already becoming addicted to these pain meds.I found that out when I tried quitting cold turkey.So,I began to watch you tube and came across this Doctor Raphael Mechulaumand from Isreal.I watched many of his documentaries.

[bluelagoon]

I have a brother that swears by it, but I am skeptical... If you read what it is reported to treat its pretty unbelievable. Its even supposed to cure cancer. I will say this, though I know its reported to not have bad side effects , Its definitely had a negative effect on my brothers personality and attitude towards things.

al

Can't blame you for being skeptical.Not many trails on cannabis and cancer,if any..The cancer one is hard to believe.No studies there.I know of one of those so called cures,but just maybe his cancer would have gone away on it's own anyway.But some studies are being made.I watched this video yesterday.If you think it's a worth while video here it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD1ZF0dE5nw

[bluelagoon]

I know a few potheads and they"can't" live without their weed. Just to add, if they feel they "need" it ,fine and dandy,nothing to me. But looking from the outside I seem to think that potheads don't see or chose to ignore the negative side effects of it with regards to their everyday interactions and "living" if you know what I mean. Sorry I know this is off topic. Again the CBD VS low THC may be exactly what I need.

Yes,addiction to cannabis is similar to that of being addicted to coffee.Not too overwhelming,it passes in a day or so.So,it can be addicting just like any other drug.

[Organic Farmer]

Make Butter

[Phil4Discus]

"Its made him at times combative, other times its made him distant and self absorbed. I should say its not that these were drastic changes in him, he had these tendencies before, but its exacerbated them. Its also literally all's he thinks about."

hth,
al

This behavior is very common for addictions though some say cannabis (marijuana) isn't addictive. It's definitely not as addicting as other drugs that share the illegal drug spot light like cocaine and heroine, but it does have an addictive quality and I know this first hand with my brothers and myself personally. You can also argue that it may not be as addicting as legal things like caffeine, sugar (including alcohol) and fatty foods. There were definitely days where I felt I had to have it, or I found myself doing many times throughout the day or finding an excuse to do it.

When you say that your brother already had these behaviors but they were exacerbated while he has been a habitual user, that is definitely what I have seen as well. My younger brother has always been lazy, standoffish, wasn't very social and had a temper. I on the contrary, work a lot, am competitive, and quite social. We both smoked marijuana daily (multiple times a day), what we saw was he continued to be quiet and lazy (besides going to work to get a paycheck to live), but we saw his social behavior improve as he was less stressed and less ill-tempered. I continued to strive for perfection and was competitive as ever as I graduated school, got a new job, was promoted to a supervisor role quickly and lead my teams of employees to company highs in many categories. I eventually quit smoking to pursue a new job where smoking isn't allowed and it's tested for. I was able to quit smoking cold turkey and I inevitably landed the job of my dreams. My brother had a harder time quitting as he loved that he was able to be more social but he has also quit in full and is looking for non-illegal alternatives to keep stress down and his social life adequate.

[bluelagoon]

If it's not legal where you live now,it soon will be.I have been using cannabis legally for medication for approximately 4 years now.Yes,I agree the high is addicting,no doubt about that.When I think back and the doctor that I had wouldn't have any issues with prescribing antidepressants, highly dangerous narcotics,nerve agents and even Cialis or Viagra that could kill you right away.I found myself looking for an alternative and the first time I smoked a joint and the throbbing pain was gone,I knew I wanted to try this one for pain.I did some research,watched videos that didn't have a product to sell and found that you cannot over dose on cannabis and seemed to be safer than ibuprofen and other anti-inflammatories.I just began to use CBD in the past month or so and I do find it beneficial and it does seem to tame down the highness of the THC.I stopped using for the last few days and I find that the stiffness and inflammation is coming back to my joints especially in my knuckles and ankles.The pills I make now have 45 percent ratio of THC and CBD.They seem much better than the ones with a higher THC dose.I would say I made the right choice for me and glad that I didn't take the doctors advice and went and looked for something that I could live with.I'd be in a total mess by now if I would have stayed on what they had for treatments. Right now I'm more interested in the CBD and what others may be experiencing with this compound.

[gunnerschh2]

Hemp was outlawed in the early 30's in USA by the govt. The land barons [timber] & the drug companies some how made this happen.Hemp is a fast growing & very strong tree cbd comes from it not thc. Hawsers that the US NAVY used before the ban in 30's were the strongest. Money talks & can make anything happen. Stop the PAIN!

[LizStreithorst]

Growing hemp was recently legalized in of all places, Mississippi. I bet we'll be the last in the country to legalize pot, medical or otherwise.

[bluelagoon]

I don't even take Tylenol and anti-inflammatory drugs anymore. I throw the anti depressants out the window too. CBD and THC really has helped me over the past two years. I can even move my deformed swollen thumb now which was due to arthritis. No more pain!!! If I feel anxiety coming on, I put some under my tongue and within a few minutes that is gone. So subtle you don't even know it. The throbbing pain is totally gone. So, I've done well on the stuff and eliminated the other more dangerous drugs with all their side effects.

[captainandy]

Here we go....
I have been certifying patients for medical marijuana for about 7 years and treated thousands. I have been a patient myself for 8 years for a severe diabetic neuropathy

Marijuana is, for the most part, much safer than all other pharmaceuticals out there and it is rare that patients say its not helpful. I see some abuse in the 25 year old and younger - because they are so empty and depressed that they cannot help themselves. I have also gotten 100s of die hard opiate addicts off opiates and on low dose marijuana.

I THINK THAT CBD IS THE BIGGEST RIP-OFF TO FACE THE CONSUMER IN THE PAST DECADE. EXCEPT FOR THE PLACEBO EFFECT, IT IS RARE THAT A PATIENT REPORTED ANY BENEFIT. Worse than wrinkle remove creams, brain function improvement/memory loss and male sexual enhancement herbals.

[LizStreithorst]

I tried CBD and it did nothing for me. Tried Kradom and at first I thought it was a miracle drug, but then it stopped working. After a while I tried it again and I had a mild seizure. It was no big deal except that I peed my britches while I was "out". After that I quit trying that OTC stuff.

I still take my prescription meds, Tramadol and Gabapentin, but what has helped me the most is closing my dog grooming shop and doing the different types of physical labor that is necessary for anyone living in the sticks who can't hire work out. Just plain old work has taken me from almost needing a walker to make my way from the bed to the bathroom in the morning to chainsawing, digging, and hauling, etc. It hurt like hell when I first started, but I took it easy and worked up as my body allowed. Today I forgot to take my afternoon meds and I haven't even missed them.

[bluelagoon]

Here we go....
I have been certifying patients for medical marijuana for about 7 years and treated thousands. I have been a patient myself for 8 years for a severe diabetic neuropathy

Marijuana is, for the most part, much safer than all other pharmaceuticals out there and it is rare that patients say its not helpful. I see some abuse in the 25 year old and younger - because they are so empty and depressed that they cannot help themselves. I have also gotten 100s of die hard opiate addicts off opiates and on low dose marijuana.

I THINK THAT CBD IS THE BIGGEST RIP-OFF TO FACE THE CONSUMER IN THE PAST DECADE. EXCEPT FOR THE PLACEBO EFFECT, IT IS RARE THAT A PATIENT REPORTED ANY BENEFIT. Worse than wrinkle remove creams, brain function improvement/memory loss and male sexual enhancement herbals.

If CBD isn't effective in some people. Then why is there decreased seizures in children with Dravet syndrome. I was on that same stuff Liz was on. I'll take the placebo effect over those drugs any day.

[peewee1]

one of my coworkers gave it to the family dog to aid in calming it during the 4th of July fireworks.

[captainandy]

Why don’t you look at the study. It’s not that impressive. But these patients are desperate and if I was in their shoes I’d have my child take it. BTW, there is not a single other scientific study that shows cbd does anything

[bluelagoon]

Not sure what to believe on the web. But parents seem to notice a difference in their children. Some even move for the treatment. For me I now take it when I'm feeling a bit anxious or off and that feeling is gone within 15 minutes of taking about 50 mg of pure CBD isolate power under my tongue. I find the stuff you get from the legal market is way too expensive and I would need to drink the bottle and not just drops. It is weak from what I see. Plus I use the whole plant and the THC does stop throbbing pain, but I like to add CBD for the calming effect. For me they seem to work well together. https://www.neurologylive.com/conferences/aan-2019/cbd-reduces-convulsive-total-seizure-frequency-in-dravet-syndrome#:~:text=Cannabidiol%20(CBD)%20has%20been% 20shown,of%20the%20cannabis%2Dderived%20medicine.

[captainandy]

Families moving for treatment with marijuana are predominately marketing ploys. And they are about THC and not CBD. Fortunately, I don’t think there’s evidence that CBD can kill you so go for it if you can afford to waste some money. BTW I wouldn’t take advice on health issues from YouTube or Twitter but that’s just me

[bluelagoon]

There really haven't been studying cannabis for that long here in the Americas and the rest of the world due to it being prohibited to do so since prohibition. Israel has had the most success with these studies and many of the long term care facilities now give their residents cannabis, some of which are high in CBD. I've given it to people that had doctors order to people with Alzheimer's that cried out.Their families wanted to try this. After taking the drops the crying out decreased. There's not many real studies to go by. It's been illegal too long and studies weren't allowed. All stains of cannabis are not created equal, I get headaches and anxious off some sativa strains and feel sh|tty from them, seems like something is missing or more of something in some strains. My doctor said pretty much the same as you about cannabis in general, "not enough is known about it". That's when I went to a pain specialist and got the cannabis order from the doctor. I decided on taking the high doses of CBD on my own and so far so good for me. A lot of drugs may work differently for some. That's why doctors may say "lets try this one".

[peewee1]

With regard to any medication is not the goal to either hide the health issue or to cure the health issue? Aspirin would be a medication that would hide a pain but not a medication that would cure the reason we get the headache. Perfume masks a odor but does not treat the reason for the odor. When one seeks online advice for an ailment a couple of things happen. A home remedy approach is taken. Yourself may misdiagnose the problem and then seek a solution for your misdiagnosis from an unqualified resource. Would CBD or THC not fall into that class as a "mask", such as aspirin, that which relieves a pain but does not serve to cure it?

[captainandy]

You mean to tell me that you believe that women and some men, wear perfume to mask their odor?
What state and city are you from?

[gunnerschh2]

I saw a movie put out by the govt. It was called [ REEFER MADNESS ] IN the 30's It seemed like a joke. The powers to be [ GOVT.] will tell us whats good. HA HA! Really hard to tell about thc.

[peewee1]

You mean to tell me that you believe that women and some men, wear perfume to mask their odor?
What state and city are you from?

Absolutely the basic purpose of the scent from inception.

[bluelagoon]

When I'm having a day that just seems like something going on with my mood in a not so easy way. And feeling that I could get pissed off at just about anything. I put some CBD isolate power under my tongue and in about 15-20 minutes that uneasy mood has vanished. It is so subtle that you don't even realize it. Brings life to an even level so to speak. For me it's great for pain and I believe it has also helped with my arthritis. I also use the rest of the cannabis plant. So, I get all of the cannabinoids and terpenes. All said same strains just won't work as well for me. So, strains are important to some. It does improve some peoples lives. Some of the pharmaceutical drugs are a lot more dangerous and have adverse side effects that I've used and quite taking them and I feel much better now.

[LizStreithorst]

What strain works best for your pain, Mervin? I've just about gotten over the being pissed off part of my life.

[bluelagoon]

I use mostly Indica, Some of which grow only to 4-5 feet tall. I find that sativa is more up lifting and makes me a bit anxious, not from the THC but seems something is missing. Whereas Indica is numbing, relaxing and more a couch lock body buzz, narcotic high. What strain is right for me might not be the strain for you. Some hybrids work well for me too. Try a few and go with the one you like. There are a lot of different strains with different amounts of cannabinoids and terpenes. It all depends on what strain you like and what one works best for you. Like cannabis your own chemistry and make-up is different than other people.
Some hypertension meds don't work on some, much the same with cannabis.

[captainandy]

Absolutely the basic purpose of the scent from inception.

not for a few hundred years

[bluelagoon]

I don't believe that I will ever stop using these products for pain and mood relief. I use nothing else these days for those ailments/conditions. I have never bought legal edibles of THC or CBD; it is too weak and expensive for me. I take up to about 200 mg THC t.i.d. when I eat it and lately I skip days taking CBD and only take it now when I need it.