New pair breeding in community tank help needed

[Kingcolt]

So like the title says,
I have a newly formed pair that now have laid eggs for the 2nd time in my community tank. I want to raise the fry! what would be the best thing to do, should I move the parents and the eggs to another tank?

I just ordered a rodi system itll be here in about 5 days. I have a 40 gallon breeder and a 20 gallon tall. The 20 gallon I currently have painted white and I'm getting it ready for the dicus just waiting on the rodi system to get here.

Currently I'm just using straight tape water with 66ppm. Since the tank has cycled I dont really check the parameters besides the hardness of the water, I'm also doing about 20% water change every 3 days cold water. 90 gallon tank.

Also what are the babys of a orange/white pigeon blood Male mixed with a blue diamond female! I'm so excited to see the results!

[Firecraca]

Excited for you!! Please post pics after transfer into new home. GOOD LUCK!!

[Second Hand Pat]

Hi Colt, do not move the parents until they have wigglers in the main tank. They could go thru a lot of spawns before getting it right and defending the spawn from other discus helps to strengthen the pair bond. The not so good news is your pair is one is a PB and the other a non-PB. This pairing generally produces peppered fry. With the effort it takes to raise fry you might want to do some research to see if it something you want to do and is worth the effort.
Pat

[pastry]

I love what Pat said. Very good feedback & guidance for you, Colt. She's totally right about results of those 2 strains but if still curious then go for it. If you have another pair form soon that are either both PB or both non PB then switch out since it'll yield better looking fry and since it takes ongoing effort then might as well.

[Kingcolt]

I do have another pair I'm not sure of their strian type tho I'll post pictures of both pairs. My other pair hasnt laid eggs in a long time though.

I definitely want to start raising discus I've been slowing buying all the stuff to dona full breeding set up and grow out.

I've notice that my new pair are not eating the eggs that are turning white yet? Does it take them awhile to figure this part out?


http://youtu.be/hXd9HGXUsQU

[slicksta]

Don't worry, they'll clear out any eggs that aren't fertile... Sometimes they wait until close to free swimming to do so.

[Kingcolt]

I noticed on the last batch some of the eggs got fuzzy after awhile will this be bad for the the eggs that are good?

[LizStreithorst]

If their are good eggs in the batch the fuzz won't bother them.

[Kingcolt]

Should i just focus on breeding the blue pair? I'm not sure what strain they are, but they are a proven pair.

How ever they havent laid eggs in some time, and seem depressed when I put them in their own tank.

[Second Hand Pat]

Should i just focus on breeding the blue pair? I'm not sure what strain they are, but they are a proven pair.

How ever they havent laid eggs in some time, and seem depressed when I put them in their own tank.

Colt, your blue pair are look to be red turquoise. I would suggest working with this pair if you can get them back on cycle.
Pat

[LizStreithorst]

I agree with Pat. But if the fish were mine, I'd clean them up once I put them in the love nest. I do that now because I had a problem with hex in one batch of fry after they had been doing well for 2 weeks. I didn't do a prophylactic treatment on the parents because they showed no symptoms of parasites. I'd give them a treatment for flukes, a treatment for worms, and finally a treatment for hex.

I generally think that it's a bad thing to treat Discus when they are asymptomatic but with a pair, especially a pair that has lost the "love" I think it's a good idea.

[Kingcolt]

I'm looking through the pet store should I get something like melafix or pimafix? I'm not seeing anything specific to what you are mentioning

So the pet store guy recommends maracyn two it's a multi purpose cure that he says will treat all the things you are mentioning.

[LizStreithorst]

levalsol according to directions for worms. I use PP for flukes but since you've never used it quick cure will work just as well. Use it according to label directions as well. 100% metronidazole dosed at 500 mg per 10 gallons daily for 12 days. The label is wrong on metro. Do a large WC every day and re-dose the full dose every day. Getting rid of hex is a real pain.

I always buy the meds I need from Jehmco. What Jehmco doesn't have Angels Plus usually does.

[Kingcolt]

Thank you liz for the tips,
so should I treat my community tank as well? Or just the pair I'm trying to breed?

[LizStreithorst]

I'd not do the community tank if you see no problems there. Besides, these treatments should be done in a BB tank to be most effective.

[Kingcolt]

My tank is bb beside a bit of sand that has escaped my moving bed filter.

[LizStreithorst]

I'd still not treat if I didn't see symptoms. If you want to, go ahead.

[Sturiosoma]

Good luck with the recommenations as I think I'm on the auto ignore list

Jeanne

[Kingcolt]

Alright so I ordered the metronidazole, from jehmco. However ether site does not sell the other to items you mentioned.

Any other source you might recommend? I found these though. Idk if it's the right stuff.

Sorry ahead of time if we are not supposed to links I know forum are wierd about that stuff..
Levasol
https://www.kepro.nl/products/levasol-200-wsp-2/
PP
https://www.sciencecompany.com/Potassium-Permanganate-100g-P6403.aspx

[Second Hand Pat]

I would suggest Angelfish Plus for Levasol https://angelsplus.com/collections/fish-medications/products/med-levamisole-hcl-100 vs ordering the large animal version.
Pat

[LizStreithorst]

Most pet stores carry Quick Cure. Maybe they have it as Formalin. If not, Ken's fish has it. https://www.kensfish.com/aquarium-supplies/fish-medication/quick-cure.html

[Kingcolt]

Thank you guys!

[Kingcolt]

So I have not gotten the meds you recommended in yet.

however I have been dosing one pack of maracyn two and, a squirt of acurel heathguard, to every feeding. Letting it soak in as the frozen cubes of beef heart defrost in a cup of tank water.

I've been feeding beef hearts only. I feed 2 times daily. And I have stopped feeding them blood worms altogether. "I've heard they are a major cause of health problems"

Now looking for a good source of black worms as a replacment.

Since treatment has began I've increased water changes to every other day, doing 30% water change of cold water. Also found out that one of my heaters was broken and the tank temp was at 78 degrees. Since I have replaced the heater and thermometer the tank is now back at 85 degrees.

My blue pair just laid eggs for the first time in several months! in the same community tank as the other pair that are breeding!

Also just got my rodi system in today, and in the process of building a brine shrimp hatchery!

[LizStreithorst]

Don't throw meds at them when you don't know what your doing. Don't do anything for now other than good clean water. Also don't get ahead of yourself. Your pair hasn't even spawned and you're making a brine shrimp hatchery. It's not like Discus will breed on command.

I can tell that you're excited. I wish you good luck.

[Kingcolt]

After advice on here I went to fish store to get said medicine.

I medicated the food based on fish store recommendations. " I guess I did jump the gun a bit on that part"

I'm building a hatchery I did not say I was producing shrimp.

Thank you for your guidance, it has helped a ton!

Also I've been planning to breed discus for years I have already half way set up a grow out/breeding rack in my house. With several tanks and overflows ect... I've had all my discus in a community tank so they can grow out and pair up as per usual recommended method
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Out of 6 discus I ended up with two pairs so I feel pretty lucky on that

I'm not currently worried about any fry surviving. I'm just gearing up my operation. Since my pairs are finally starting to breed. And trying to get all info and guidance possible before I actually start raising the fry!

[Kingcolt]

Which brings me to my next question that i was previously unaware of. The PB/BD pair, I was told will produce many heavily peppered fry.

What are the odds of a pure PB, BD, or hybrid being produced.
Which stage should undesirable fish be culled. Will it be recognizable at a early Fry stage?

[Kingcolt]

Just wonder my blue pair has never had stress bars. What strain would cause this or just good line breeding?

[Second Hand Pat]

Just wonder my blue pair has never had stress bars. What strain would cause this or just good line breeding?

Hi Colt, the only fish which do not show bars are barless fish like your blue diamond. PB show bars as pepper all over the fish. Your blue pair can definite show bars if needed.
Pat

[Kingcolt]

I guess they must be pretty happy then? Idk I've never seen them display bars in the years I've had them. I really like the look of no bars and want to keep thier babys the same way if possible.

Could it be that they are crossed with a green discus so the bars are tan instead of black?

[Kingcolt]

Looks like my proven pair have a few eggs that are going to hatch!
Getting the black spots on half of them.

[LizStreithorst]

Well, well, well. That's good news. You still may need to do more to improve the hatch rate, but perhaps not. Let us know how it goes. Good luck!

[Kingcolt]

Thank you, probably not going to move this batch of fry still need to hook up the rodi system. But maybe I should just for the practice?

What would be the best method for transferring eggs from tank to tank

[Kingcolt]

Well stopped by the house on a break from work I'm guessing the eggs hatched into wigglers and are now missing.

Only thing left is the remnants of the hatched shells and unfertilized eggs and one egg that didnt hatch yet.

New observation. I've caught my large Male PB scratching on thisn4inch PVC pipe I have in the tank, he wasnt doing this prior to the treatments I did in the food.

[Second Hand Pat]

The parents could have relocated the wigglers. If the parents are staring at a particular spot be sure to check.
Pat

[Kingcolt]

Yes they are still protecting a area but I do not see anything

[pastry]

Then I guarantee you that Pat is correct. They are still alive. I have a pair that is really good at hiding new hatchlings. They always seem to put them in a spot that makes it hard for me to get a good angle to find them.

[Kingcolt]

Think the babys are gone now they seem to have stopped protecting the corner.

Also I have received all the medication. I will be putting the breeding pair into the 30 gallon tank. What is the best method to go about treating the 3 different medications.

[LizStreithorst]

Do them one at a time with a day or two or rest with good daily WC between each treatment. I don't know why but I would start with the flukes, move on to the worming, and finally the long job of hex.

I know that it's a huge pain doing this. I've done it. But if you want your pair to produce healthy babies that don't get sick and day when they're 3 weeks old you should do it. I know from experience that not cleaning a pair up is not a good idea.

[Kingcolt]

I definitely want healthy babys!

Is there a smoe source or info I can look up for dosing instructions?

[LizStreithorst]

You can find it in various places here on the forum. If you're using formalin the dose is 2 drops per gallon. It's a one time dose. Do a big WC the next day. It's been a long time since I've had to treat for worms but I always followed label instructions. With the metro it's 500 mg daily for 10 to 12 days with big WC every day. It helps to raise the temp of their tank to at least 90 but not more than 93 during treatment. I promise, if I'm telling you the wrong thing someone else would jump in to correct me. There are folks here who know more about treating for the most likely parasites than me.

[Kingcolt]

Alright well finally got my rodi system up and going. Soon I will be tranfering blue pair to a new tank start treatments.