brewmaster15
09-05-2019, 08:10 AM
Early morning musings here but..
I've always been fascinated by the peppering of pigeons and the expression of that peppering. It Used to be pigeons were very dirty looking with lots of Pepper.. Then over time more and more pigeons showed up on the market that were cleaner and the explanation of where they came from was that they were being bred to Goldens to "breed out" the pepper. Not sure how much of that is really true or if it was just more selective breeding of cleaner and cleaner and cleaner pigeon stock. The end result would be clean pigeons with no pepper or very little peppering.. Obviously something was done to the pigeon stock out there as effect was pretty pronounced with many clean pigeons showing up relatively quickly.
Was it breeding to Goldens or selective breeding of clean pigeons to each other. I don't really know. I know what is parroted across social media, forums, and articles....how much is urban legend? I have never seen it documented with the Goldens. I suppose I could get a hold of some low grade dirty Pigeons, pick up some" Golden" stock and spend a few years playing to get some answers...unfortunately I don't have the time or space and have other projects I am more interested in right now,..thats a back burner project for me..lol
I do have a few questions.. to start with.....
Normally if we take a non-pigeon and cross it to a pigeon you more often than not get seriously dirty ugly fry.If we have" bred the pepper " out of pigeons would that still be the case? I mean to say if the pigeon does not have the genes for pepper anymore, how can they pass it on to their fry if they are crossed to non-pigeons. It raises interesting questions. If the fry of a "clean" pigeon crossed with a non-pigeon turn out dirty, what does that tell us about the idea that we "bred out pepper"? I know we generally like to discourage breeding of non-pigeon to pigeon because of the history of unpleasant looking dirty peppered fry, but there may be a good deal of information to learn from doing just that given the Pigeons of today are not the Dirty Pigeons of yesterday. I suspect that peppering in Pigeons and the expression of it may be a tad more complicated than "breeding out Pepper. But the scientist in me loves this stuff, so should anyone have documentation of F1 fry, juvies, etc from a clean pigeon crossed to a non pigeon, please post them here...heck if you have f1s from a dirty pigeon crossed to a non pigeon, post these here also.
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I've always been fascinated by the peppering of pigeons and the expression of that peppering. It Used to be pigeons were very dirty looking with lots of Pepper.. Then over time more and more pigeons showed up on the market that were cleaner and the explanation of where they came from was that they were being bred to Goldens to "breed out" the pepper. Not sure how much of that is really true or if it was just more selective breeding of cleaner and cleaner and cleaner pigeon stock. The end result would be clean pigeons with no pepper or very little peppering.. Obviously something was done to the pigeon stock out there as effect was pretty pronounced with many clean pigeons showing up relatively quickly.
Was it breeding to Goldens or selective breeding of clean pigeons to each other. I don't really know. I know what is parroted across social media, forums, and articles....how much is urban legend? I have never seen it documented with the Goldens. I suppose I could get a hold of some low grade dirty Pigeons, pick up some" Golden" stock and spend a few years playing to get some answers...unfortunately I don't have the time or space and have other projects I am more interested in right now,..thats a back burner project for me..lol
I do have a few questions.. to start with.....
Normally if we take a non-pigeon and cross it to a pigeon you more often than not get seriously dirty ugly fry.If we have" bred the pepper " out of pigeons would that still be the case? I mean to say if the pigeon does not have the genes for pepper anymore, how can they pass it on to their fry if they are crossed to non-pigeons. It raises interesting questions. If the fry of a "clean" pigeon crossed with a non-pigeon turn out dirty, what does that tell us about the idea that we "bred out pepper"? I know we generally like to discourage breeding of non-pigeon to pigeon because of the history of unpleasant looking dirty peppered fry, but there may be a good deal of information to learn from doing just that given the Pigeons of today are not the Dirty Pigeons of yesterday. I suspect that peppering in Pigeons and the expression of it may be a tad more complicated than "breeding out Pepper. But the scientist in me loves this stuff, so should anyone have documentation of F1 fry, juvies, etc from a clean pigeon crossed to a non pigeon, please post them here...heck if you have f1s from a dirty pigeon crossed to a non pigeon, post these here also.
al