Florida Governor Ron Desantis Just banned me from Driving in Florida

[brewmaster15]

I try very hard to not get Political on the Forum and even now I am really biting my tongue...but sometimes you just have to say something.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/florida-bans-drivers-licenses-immigrants-living-us-illegally-2023-07-06/

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/florida-stops-recognizing-some-drivers-licenses-from-connecticut-other-new-england-states/3063073/

Thats me. My Driver's License states " Not for Federal Identification. " I am here by no longer welcome to drive in the State of Florida because some royal @#$%^&*() Governor decides I am undocumented as an American because I don't have a Real ID Drivers liscence.. even though I have a passport and there is no federal law that you need a real ID.. I have a couple of choice hand signs for Desantis..


I'm sorry but political leanings and BS aside, DeSantis is a royal nutjob. I truly hope CT bans Florida Licences on Principal or better yet we have a huge boycott of Florida,, I really hope that the backlash is financially and politically DEVASTATING to Florida and their little Dictator..


al

The Federal Gov isn't even requiring Real Ids to fly until 2025
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/dhs-real-id-deadline-extended/index.html

[LizStreithorst]

My neighbor up the road mentioned him when I asked who he would choose in the group. He's a far right kind of guy and I'm a far left type of woman. The twain may never meet, but we're friends nonetheless.

[brewmaster15]

Liz I don't really care much about his Political aspirations, but banning another States Drivers Licenses is not something we should be doing in the USA..even if its a calculated Knee dip to a political base.

[AquaticNerd]

Politics aside, I am astounded that the governor of the state would pass laws such as these, when, in 2021, tourism accounted for 8% of their GDP and supported the employment of 1.7M people.

https://www.visitflorida.org/media/30679/florida-visitor-economic-impact-study.pdf

In 2022, Florida had a 12.9% increase in tourism.
https://www.flgov.com/2023/02/15/florida-breaks-record-for-highest-visitation-in-state-history/#:~:text=VISIT%20FLORIDA%20estimates%20that%20Flor ida,and%2012.9%20percent%20over%202021.

[Iminit]

Al I understand your grief!! Politics aside! I can’t stand these drivers here in NY with out of state license plates! Yes some are legit people just visiting. But here it seems like 50% are just running illegal. No inspections or insurance. Just out of state plates. And it’s profiling if the police pull them over! Plus even if they do pull them over and ticket them they don’t pay. Amazing too is if they hit you they’re not responsible. Seems like the only people who pay are middle class Americans! Just a shame we’re paying for everything!! It just seems that the word illegal for some reason is a positive thing here!

[Second Hand Pat]

While I voted for Desantis the first time he has got way too right for my tastes. So I do not currently have the Real ID on my drivers license. Does that make me an undocumented person. What is proof “of lawful presence in the United States”. Do I need to carry a passport now when I drive?? or carry a birth certificate. This is yet another law trying to solve a non-problem. :angry: :crazy:
Pat

[Second Hand Pat]

Liz I don't really care much about his Political aspirations, but banning another States Drivers Licenses is not something we should be doing in the USA..even if its a calculated Knee dip to a political base.

I firmly agree with you here Al.
Pat

[brewmaster15]

While I voted for Desantis the first time he has got way too right for my tastes. So I do not currently have the Real ID on my drivers license. Does that make me an undocumented person. What is proof “of lawful presence in the United States”. Do I need to carry a passport now when I drive?? or carry a birth certificate. This is yet another law trying to solve a non-problem. :angry: :crazy:
Pat
So basically Florida residents can drive without a real Id and there is no official mandate that everyone must have one in Florida to drive.,?. yet other states residents it will be illegal to drive in Florida..

Wow... thats even more pathetic than I had thought.I figured the little man with big ego already forced all of florida to get real ids. I wonder how many arent compliant. I know in 2022 stats through out the usa were between 45-60% which is why the fed gov pushed the id deadline to 2025 to fly...or you need a passport.

[Second Hand Pat]

Al, I’m pretty sure I have to get a real ID compliant drivers license on my next renewal which I think is next year. The current law sounds like it assumes that all Florida drivers have a real ID drivers license which is not correct. And you’re right, it’s pathetic.
Pat

[Charlyc11]

When I moved to MD I traded my NY license for the MD license then they came out with the real ID so my next renewal was 2019, I got the new one then. At least when I go to my place in FL I can drive.

[brady]

I think you all are going down a very slippery slope. I'm sure there are folks on this site of every political persuasion biting there tongue, me being
one of them, that don't think this is the place for political discussion. It's for discus q@a's,let keep it at that.
Jay

[brewmaster15]

I think you all are going down a very slippery slope. I'm sure there are folks on this site of every political persuasion biting there tongue, me being
one of them, that don't think this is the place for political discussion. It's for discus q@a's,let keep it at that.
Jay

Jay,
This blog is my personal space .. I charge no one a thing to use the forum.. if I want to rant on a topic..I think I am allowed. You really dont have to read my blog...theres plenty of fish threads. I see no problem with this thread. Im not the one the passed the law but I am directly affected by it. .. would you prefer I not say that I can not drive in Florida now because someone with presidential aspirations is targeting my state for publicity? Apologies.. not happening.

Do you have a real ID yet Jay?

[LizStreithorst]

I don't have one, but I don't care. I can't travel anywhere far any more. I have a passport but I'm sure it's expired by now.

[bluelagoon]

Don't y'all have photo ID's on your driver license? How or can you drive without one? I can't understand how something like this can happen between states.

[brewmaster15]

Don't y'all have photo ID's on your driver license? How or can you drive without one? I can't understand how something like this can happen between states.
We do.. but after 9-11 they want us to have ones that are more vetted ...its been rolling out years now.The Federal gov wants more proven ID wise to fly on domestic flights. It has zero to do with driving cars. .. its just being made out by DeSantis to be about driving. Its not.

Its not a federal law for anything but flying... and even then if you have a passport, You dont need the real id to fly. Additionally you will need the real id to access federal buildings and nuclear power plants .. but again..passport is acceptible also.

[brady]

Jay,
This blog is my personal space .. I charge no one a thing to use the forum.. if I want to rant on a topic..I think I am allowed. You really dont have to read my blog...theres plenty of fish threads. I see no problem with this thread. Im not the one the passed the law but I am directly affected by it. .. would you prefer I not say that I can not drive in Florida now because someone with presidential aspirations is targeting my state for publicity? Apologies.. not happening.

Do you have a real ID yet Jay?

Yes I do have a real ID. Easy to get, when you renew your license just bring your passport,or birth cert. or proof of residence.

[brewmaster15]

Yes I do have a real ID. Easy to get, when you renew your license just bring your passport,or birth cert. or proof of residence.

Jay, I'm Happy for you. You can now drive in Florida.Lucky you. I can only drive in the whole rest of the USA, but the sovereign country of Florida. I guess I'm a little old fashioned. I tend to do what I have to...and no American has to get a real id. Being compliant to something that is not a law is truly the slippery slope. Everyone is free to be as compliant as they want... or not to the Real ID.

INCIDENTALLY, its a " Real ID" not a "Real Drivers License" it has nothing to do with driving... Which is my reason for the rant.. It is literally also completely not needed as I mentioned already when you have a passport...which I do

Theres an agreement among states in this union that ensures we all can travel across states and are treated as visiting friends not strangers and enemies. Desantis treatment of the people in these other states like me goes against the spirit of that in a very serious way.


I leave you with a quote from the lesser almighty in the sunshine Country...(please remember there is no law that you need to get a real ID.. so much for rule of law)
Florida will stand for the rule of law. Even if the federal government refuses, Florida will act decisively to protect our citizens, our state, and our country," sleep well America.. Ron DeSantis is on the Job. protecting us from drivers licenses everywhere that dont have a star on them.

[bluelagoon]

Remember the people voted him in so it's not only Ron Santis is extreme right in Florida. Modern women and gay folks are taking a hit too in some of those states. Then that's another rant.

[Iminit]

Yep people voted him in so I guess they’re looking for change? Thing is politics is full of crackpots! Both sides and every side! Last thing any politician cares about is us! Fact even with all the bs going on we still lead the best lives in the world! Do you think not getting the government id makes a difference? Or having it makes a difference? Fact is some group will now sue Florida about this. Who’s paying for the law suit? Middle class America! Yeah Lawyers and politicians will be making more money. Me yep I got the gov driver license. Do I think they care about me or what I’m doing? Nope! I must be crazy anyway I keep discus :). Red and blue ones!!:eek:

[brewmaster15]

Fact even with all the bs going on we still lead the best lives in the world! yes we do and at great sacrifices by many that believed it was important not to be complacent . History is full of examples of what happens when you give too much power to your politicians.

The facts of my rant stand as such. The Real ID was never meant to be used as an immigration tool.Nor was it meant to restrict driving. It was meant to protect Federal property from terrorists .. it was specifically meant as an ID to board domestic airplanes and federal buildings . PERIOD. The federal government knew there were constitutional hurdles to making a mandatory federal identification so they didnt. They just implied it was something you needed. This is all documented information.

Fact.. The real ID legislation was passed 16 years ago... and still isnt enforceable. ..wont be until 2025 and even then. A passport is just as good.

[brewmaster15]

https://www.culawreview.org/journal/the-unconstitutionality-of-real-id-legislation-and-its-effects-on-undocumented-immigrants-in-the-us
https://www.cchfreedom.org/cchf.php/1250/

https://ualr.edu/socialchange/2022/11/21/real-id-rollout-will-be-a-real-problem/

https://www.nyclu.org/en/why-oppose-real-id-act

http://www.cpreview.org/blog/2023/5/real-id-an-unconstitutional-license

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1926%26context%3Dsulr&ved=2ahUKEwiL8J-dgoeAAxUJF1kFHUiyBFAQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2maMNE87dl4qQuC-5wxArk

Al

[Iminit]

Funny when I got my Id it was being pushed as a replacement for a passport. Try leaving on a plane or entering this country with just your drivers license. Al I don’t consider this a rant. Hey it’s something that bothers you. I get it. What I don’t get is the why. Nobody in this government really gives a damn about us. With or without this id makes no difference! You’re reading it right here! Look people in Florida don’t even have these id’s. This is a politician looking for votes from the majority of there people. People who are upset with all the illegal immigrants being pushed into their State. That’s it! The whole id thing is just for media! Which equals votes! You really think there’s cops driving around asking to see people’s license’s! Come on there Laws against that :eek:;)

[JustinWCA]

I try very hard to not get Political on the Forum and even now I am really biting my tongue...but sometimes you just have to say something.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/florida-bans-drivers-licenses-immigrants-living-us-illegally-2023-07-06/

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/florida-stops-recognizing-some-drivers-licenses-from-connecticut-other-new-england-states/3063073/

Thats me. My Driver's License states " Not for Federal Identification. " I am here by no longer welcome to drive in the State of Florida because some royal @#$%^&*() Governor decides I am undocumented as an American because I don't have a Real ID Drivers liscence.. even though I have a passport and there is no federal law that you need a real ID.. I have a couple of choice hand signs for Desantis..


I'm sorry but political leanings and BS aside, DeSantis is a royal nutjob. I truly hope CT bans Florida Licences on Principal or better yet we have a huge boycott of Florida,, I really hope that the backlash is financially and politically DEVASTATING to Florida and their little Dictator..


al

The Federal Gov isn't even requiring Real Ids to fly until 2025
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/dhs-real-id-deadline-extended/index.html


You could move to California where the governor is pretty different, but alas, my driver's license says the same thing.

I could just as easily blame my governor and my governor's politics but as you can see, the governors of both states are about as polar opposite as it gets, yet you and I both have driver's licenses that don't meet the minimum requirements. The history of this is that some states started handing out drivers licenses to people who aren't citizens and with very little required documentation. Therefore they were required to create distinctions between driver's licenses from people who rigorously verified who they are versus the one that you and I have where verification was quite relaxed.
It's politics yeah, but it's not quite what you think and this stuff went into effect before DeSantis came into power in Florida.

[gunnerschh2]

With a open border & we have no idea who is coming through, what do we do ? Some states are giving state drivers licences to anyone. How do you stop that?

[Iminit]

Lol remember we live in a country were our pledge of allegiance is not allowed in our public schools and a country with no designated language!! And politicians bend over backwards to help illegal immigrants! Where else in the world does this float :).
Funny thing! On my last vacation on the ship they brought in a speaker who explained how with the retirement and deaths of the baby boomers European countries were going to be losing a huge amount of the population. These countries needed an influx of people to fill the work force. Immigration is needed at the rate of at least 200k a years for these countries to survive. If they work they pay taxes. But here in the US facing the same problem we let in all these illegals who then work off the books paying no taxes and the government gives them money and food and medical. Finds it wrong to force them to learn the language or become tax paying citizens.

[bluelagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krD4hdGvGHM&ab_channel=WillhelmvonNordbach

[Pardal]

Law's of control of any kind by any political Party has never work , ie gun laws , because criminals are just simple that just criminals they do not follow any law.
And is the law abiding citizens who end up paying the consequences , go and take a drive in Miami a very Blue City even though is Florida though, people driving in the middle of the yellow line , hitting their horns if you take a few seconds in a traffic light with the green light, people turning into your lane in the middle of a left turn at the intersections, people with mopeds in the free way, don't let me start with the reentry in the lanes and braking illegally in the pay toll and cutting on front of you. Yes is totally madness and good percentage are illegals , they learn to drive who knows where is the United Nations down there.

[Pardal]

Remember the people voted him in so it's not only Ron Santis is extreme right in Florida. Modern women and gay folks are taking a hit too in some of those states. Then that's another rant.

Gay people in Florida voted for Desantis, and actually there is a very open gay guy, name Otaola running for Major at this very moment in Miami. don't believe everything in the news, like the pres secretary BS about gay people in Florida.
This so called dictator was the one that keep Florida open and took care of the elderly while the others states were in completely shut down hurting small business but allowing big corporations and big industries to remain open with very authoritarian measures ,that is the reason that He got reelected many democrats vote for him many democrats are conservative in many things regarding to family values, The inflow of people moving to Florida daily is crazy I have neighbors from California and they couldn't be more happy about it. I just joke with them , and tell them don't be changing things here , something that the majority of people are afraid here, is like the immigrant that come escaping from dictators and want to change the US to the same **** they came from no way, Sorry that happen this to you Al , We will never agree 100% with any governor or President they will be always thing that will piss us off.
But the guy is a Saint compare to the P.... of S... we have on all the Liberal States that they call themselves Democrats, and don't get me start with Brandon.

[brewmaster15]

Really Disappointing Folks. Not surprising given the state of politics here but Disappointing nonetheless. People are so caught up in the Political ideologies that they can not see how wrong it is for one State to restrict the movements and liberties of legal USA citizen from another State what ever the reason. Its not about Conservative and Liberals...Its about a Reciprocity among states that goes back to our Countries founding and its subsequent amendments.

Apathy kills Democracy... Just because this insignificant thing to you does not affect you, does not mean its not something that you should care about. When ever a government body restricts the rights and civil liberties of Legal Citizens you should be alarmed. The red flag should be when they are doing it to protect you from a boogieman that will do you harm.. in this case its undocumented immigrants that is the Boogieman. They will come for you next. It been documented time and again historically.


Ironically Florida allows Canadian Drivers licenses.. oh yeah..they tried banning them and requiring Canadians to get international Licenses but repealed it when they realized it would cost tourist dollars.


I knew when I posted this that there would be comments that reflected the political landscape, I thank those that sympathized with my loss of civil liberties in Florida, as for those that do not agree with my Rant, Thankfully that is still my right.


have a great weekend everyone.

al