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Ardan
05-25-2002, 06:26 AM
Gill and Skin Flukes
The pictures below were “used with permission from “Handbook of Fish Diseases” by TFH Publications, Inc
Flukes are a parasite. There are two main families of flukes affecting Discus.
Gyrodactylidea is a fluke which usually attacks the skin. It reproduces with live offspring (no egg). It can have up to four live embryos total, each embryo can have another embryo in it. Thus four generations can be in one parent! Reproduction rates are very fast. Signs of them are small open areas on the skin which can lead to secondary bacterial or fungal infections. They can be as long as .9 mm.
Dactylogyridea family of Flukes is an egg laying fluke and live mainly on the gills. They can be as long as 2 mm. Egg development can take from several hours to four days (according to Untergasser). Eggs can fall to the bottom of the aquarium, once hatches the fluke can swim toward the fish, as it has small eyespots to see the fish as a shadow. Small hooks on the fluke help it attach to the fish.
Signs of Fluke infestation include, scratching against objects by the fish, rapid breathing due to loss of use of part of a gill, or even holding a gill shut and not using it.
Adult fish can usually tolerate a minor infestation of flukes, but if a fish is stressed or weakened the flukes start to overtake the fish.
Treatments
A. * * *formalin can be used, but will not affect the eggs of flukes so timing is important. * * * * Jack Wattley in “Handbook of Discus”(1985) suggests three treatments spaced three days apart *at three drops /gal for 8 hours. Then do a 50% water change. *Moving the fish to a clean tank can be done to make sure that hatching fluke eggs from the bottom of the aquarium do not reattach to the fish. Extra aeration should be used when using formalin. Do not use temps greater than 84 F as oxygen depletion can occur.
B. * * *(recommended treatment for safety of fish)Treatment with Prazi has been shown to be effective by Cary at GLD
*Routine = ¼ teaspoon / 20 gallons, wait 48 hours, change 50% water, wait 24hrs, change 50% water, repeat, continuing for a full 21 days(dose every 3 days) without interruption (prazi also eliminates tapeworm, do not be surprised if the fish have one, it will come out)
C. * * *Flubenzadol=(very effective)must be used for a full 21 days. (has been shown to be toxic to some fish) http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=1080
Untergasser(1989) reports that flubenzadol also helps eradicate fluke eggs.(it also eliminates internal worms/nematodes) Usually the fish may start acting better after 4 or 5 days.
D. * * *salt dips at 3% may help according to Dr. Carrington(Maintaining a Healthy Aquarium, 1985, Salamander Books) = 7.5 tablespoons/gallon until the fish “rolls over” then transfer to clean water.
E. * * *PP dip has been shown to help on the live flukes.
Sources:
Handbook of Fish Diseases by Dieter Untergasser, TFH Publications, Inc 1989
Maintaining a Healthy Aquarium by Dr. Neville Carrington, Salamander Books 1985

1985 Handbook of Discus by Jack Wattley, TFH Publications Inc
Hth
Ardan :sunshine:

The microscopic photo below is of the Dactylogyridea family

Ardan
05-25-2002, 06:33 AM
This picture is a microscopic picture of the Gyrodactylidea fluke family.
The picture is "used with permission from "Handbook of Fish Diseases" by TFH Publications, Inc
hth
Ardan :sunshine:

jim_shedden
05-25-2002, 06:55 AM
thanks, that is great information

Ardan
05-25-2002, 07:59 AM
Your welcome Jim,
I'm glad you're interested! :)
Ardan :sunshine:

lkleung007
05-25-2002, 08:41 AM
Hi Ardan!!

That's great information on flukes!!  As Al says, flukes is a gift that keeps on giving to us Discus addicts.  I have prazi. and am thinking about treating my Discus for tapeworms.  I know from my conversations with Al and Cary that flukes are very hard to erradicate; with the length of the treatment the most important.  

Keep the great info. coming!!  ;D

Regards, Lester

Ardan
05-25-2002, 09:36 AM
Thank you for the kind words Lester,  ;D
I'm really glad it may be of help to you!
Ardan :sunshine:

06-05-2002, 11:44 AM
Hi Everyone...

I thought this would be a nice addition to this thread on flukes that Ardan started.....

By looking at these fluke movies... I can see why Discus do that scraping and jerking in the tank  :-/ I don't think I'd be happy with them hanging on me either....

Beth

http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/video/fishmovies.htm

Ardan
06-09-2002, 05:39 AM
Thank you, Beth!
I really enjoyed the movies! :)

Ardan :sunshine:

Ardan
06-09-2002, 05:40 AM
Flukes Supplement
Here are some links that contain some information of flukes
http://www.ageofaquarium.com/diseases.asp?name=Parasites
This article states that symptoms may be white patches on skin, scratching, rapid breathing, or worms on skin. If the gills re affected the fish may suffocate. Treatment is with anti fluke meds.
http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/microscope/micro06.htm
This site shows how to do a skin and gill scrape to examine under the microscope.
http://home.earthlink.net/~grenier2/discus.htm
This article lists treatments as prazi, flubendazole, or fluke tabs. It also gives doses and treatment routines.

http://www.dphnet.com/sub-article/cat-02/flukes1.shtml
This article lists gasping near surface, rubbing, opaque mucos on the gills, filaments protrude from the gills, rapid breathing, or one gill closed, all as possible signs of flukes. Treatment is salt 4 oz/ 10 gal , for 3 wks, or formalin at 3 to 6 drops /gal for 8 hrs then 50% wc, or formalin/malachite green (most effective in authors est.), *or formalin bath at 15 drops/gal for 30 min,
http://www.aquarium.net/0497/0497_6.shtml
This article has an interesting picture of how flukes attach to the fish. It states outbreaks are caused by stress to the fish including poor water conditions and poor parameters. Breathing abnormalities and lethargy are possible signs of infestation. Fins can be clamped. Gills can protrude and become pale and slime covered.Treatment is with formalin, acriflavine, methylene blue, chloramines, and a couple others.
http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/disease/flukes.htm
This article talks about the caterpillar like attachment of flukes to fish. Salt baths, malachite and formalin are sometimes *used to treat. Masoten is used for an all out war on flukes. Chloramine-T is also used. The gill fluke is harder to eradicate than the skin fluke.
http://pub5.ezboard.com/fhobbyfrm14.showMessage?topicID=39.topic
In this article Jim Quarles rcommends using a microscope for identification, and looking at gill color. Formalin, malachite, copper, and prazi are talked about as treatment options.

Hth
Ardan

jim_shedden
06-09-2002, 01:11 PM
Thanks Ardan : i spent a couple of hours going over this stuff...........great.

Jim

Ardan
06-09-2002, 02:05 PM
Your Welcome Jim,
I'm glad you got something out of it! :)
Ardan :sunshine:

Ardan
07-18-2002, 06:53 PM
Gyrodactylus pic

Ardan
07-18-2002, 06:54 PM
Dactylogyridea Pic

Joao
10-26-2003, 10:23 PM
Hi friends,

I have one blood pigeon breathing at intense rate, his gills open a lots when he's breeding, and it's more then the others, and faster than the others!!!!!!! Is this flukes, I don't see any worms around the gills, and he's not rubbing himself.

Why the fis breeds so fast and his gills opens so much, it looks like he's been running for a long time.

Please any help?

Thank you, Joao

Carol_Roberts
10-26-2003, 11:54 PM
Could be flukes, could be bacteria . . . . formalin works for both. 1cc or ml per 10 gallons, 50% water change after 8 hours. If you see improvement dose every other day for 14 days