I got eggs.... ;D [Archive]

11-12-2002, 10:01 AM

No, I haven't seen them turn black, but this will be there third time to lay eggs, the first time was in my community tank and they lasted 3 weeks and I actuallly had 20 free swimmers then they were eaten by the other fish, but I could not see the eggs after 3 days because they moved them behind a piece of wood. After that, I moved them to their own tank and bought the cone from Rosenthal Pottery. The second time, lasted 4 days and then they were gone from someone unplugging my tank, and then about 3 days later they layed eggs again, which are these pictures. So...... I am hoping....

Rikk

11-12-2002, 06:49 PM

let us know how it all turns out

send us a birth card when they hatch !!
( or throw a party )

11-12-2002, 09:19 PM

WOW Carol.... I looked at my eggs after work today and they are indeed black!!! Yepee.... I thought I would take pictures everyday, so I can see the transition from egg to wiggler!!!!! Here are the eggs on day 3:

11-12-2002, 09:20 PM

a close-up (day 3)

rsawest

11-12-2002, 09:59 PM

What a beautiful site to behold! Next step, wrigglers. :) :o

Denny

11-12-2002, 11:08 PM

yeeeeeeeeee haaaaaaaaaaa

good lluck weezy

denny

SLY

11-12-2002, 11:13 PM

your half way there weezy..good luck.

11-13-2002, 12:06 AM

Thanks Denny, Linda and Sly!!! I just did an egg count from my picture and I have 388 eggs!!! yahooo..... ;D I sure hope I make it this time!!!! I'm so use to angel fish... haha >:(

Carol_Roberts

11-13-2002, 01:58 AM

:thumbsup: looks like 100% fertilization.
Carol :heart1:

Rikk

11-13-2002, 06:28 PM

make ready for a lot of work, space AND FOOD

i´´ll hope they make it all
goos luck

11-13-2002, 09:17 PM

We are on day 4 and wigglin'.......... ;D

11-13-2002, 09:18 PM

close up of day 4

Carol_Roberts

11-13-2002, 09:40 PM

Great pictures! Thanks for posting the day by day record. It really helps everyone to see the progression.
Carol :heart1:

SLY

11-13-2002, 09:53 PM

now ur gonna be busy..get those baby brine shrimp ready weezy :thumbsup: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2:

taybelZ

11-14-2002, 12:31 AM

well done weezy!
Nice photos as well.
As sly sed get ur'e baby brine shrimp out and starting hatching em.
hehehe.
Good Luck.

Rikk

11-14-2002, 05:10 PM

Nice, let us know how it goes on
Looks great

11-14-2002, 08:29 PM

Day 5.... :bounce2:

11-14-2002, 08:30 PM

Day 5.... babies starting to focus correctly with the camera! haha

11-14-2002, 08:32 PM

Day 5..... full view picture ;D

11-14-2002, 10:41 PM

close-up of wigglers

Carol_Roberts

11-15-2002, 03:40 AM

:thumbsup:
Carol :heart1:

fcdiscus

11-15-2002, 03:55 AM

Great shots Weezy! Frank ;)

Denny

11-15-2002, 06:17 PM

holy buckets weezy, you did it!

i mean they did it.!

that's awesome.

denny

11-15-2002, 08:31 PM

:bounce: Day 6... :bounce:

11-15-2002, 08:32 PM

Day 6 close up....

Willie

11-16-2002, 10:29 PM

That's a very healthy looking spawn. Its time to work on hatching bbs. ::) ::) ::)

Willie

11-16-2002, 10:29 PM

Day 7 :bounce2: :bounce:
babies find mom and dad!!!!!!

11-16-2002, 10:30 PM

here's mom....

11-16-2002, 10:36 PM

Most excellent!!! I love the sight of free swimming discus swarming around the parents. Unique..a sight not too many people in this world will ever see in person.

11-16-2002, 10:41 PM

another....

11-16-2002, 10:46 PM

Thanks Edibill..... it is so EXCITING...... I am so thrilled I have gotten this far! Willie ;D gave me good luck and I got the magical Rosenthal cone... heehee

11-17-2002, 12:24 AM

OK its high time I respond to this thread..... :-\
Weezy pics are great.... I am with edibill. Was an honor to see them again today. I am sure you are over that hurdle now..... Love the daily updates... :thumbsup: Keep them coming!..

Julz....

Pick

11-17-2002, 12:28 AM

Way to go WEEZ!!! great photos too.

TC

11-17-2002, 05:05 PM

Day 8 and still in there..... :thumbsup:

11-17-2002, 05:07 PM

another...

11-17-2002, 05:09 PM

last one... on dad.... they are taking turns

SLY

11-17-2002, 09:43 PM

good job ;)

11-18-2002, 10:10 PM

Day 9 and still in there..... :bounce2:

11-18-2002, 10:13 PM

day 9 close up

11-18-2002, 10:17 PM

last one....

redlines

11-18-2002, 10:36 PM

Weezy,

Those are some great pictures! I really like that last one! :o

Andy

11-18-2002, 11:20 PM

Gotta agree with that Andy. The last one if my fav of the whole thread.

Great job Weez ;) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Julz

11-18-2002, 11:47 PM

this is sooooo not fair. Why won't my fish do that???

11-20-2002, 09:07 PM

Day 11

11-20-2002, 09:08 PM

Day 11

DHDiscusMan

11-20-2002, 09:23 PM

Great Pics and Congrats!!! I hope to get there one day. Do you still think there are roughly 300+ babies? I thought avg was 75 to 150 or so? Am I off here?

Thanks for the pics and info.

Dan

11-20-2002, 09:59 PM

Thansk DHDiscusMan... ;D
I really do not know how many I have now, they are hard to count!!!! heehee... I had 388 eggs, cuz I counted them from a picture, but I would doubt that all made it, so my guess would be I still have half??? I guess I will know when they start getting bigger. Good question, though..... what is the normal number of fry???? Anyone know?

I hope you get there someday too, cuz it has truly been an exciting experience and I hope I continue to experience there growth!!!!! I have my fingers crossed!

11-20-2002, 10:57 PM

I remember Cary saying the biggest brood he ever had was 253 Marlboro Reds so even if you have half you'd be doing extremely well. Take a pic when you can see most all of them and try to count...lol

11-21-2002, 11:04 PM

:bounce2: Day 12 :bounce2:

11-21-2002, 11:07 PM

Am I pass all the hurdles????? I don't know.... but am so excited!!!! I hope so.......

11-21-2002, 11:08 PM

another..... Day 12

11-21-2002, 11:09 PM

another.... Day 12

11-21-2002, 11:11 PM

closeup... Day 12

BLUEKNIGHT

11-21-2002, 11:59 PM

REally sweet. How many do u think are there. ALso what are the parents. Man thats a whole lot of babies. Keep up the good work. :o :o :o :o

11-22-2002, 12:16 AM

I have no clue how many fry are there! I try to count, but there are too many and they are too quick!!!! I know from pictures - over 150, but no way can I get all the fry in a picture, they seem to hang on both parents. I am just so overwhelmed, surprised and excited to experience this my first time around, words cannot express how thrilled I am! It is honestly the best thing thats happened to me!!!! :sun:

Daddy is the big blue guy, who is a Red German, and Mama is a blonde pigeon blood. They are both young, bought them at 2" and they grew like weeds. Have had them for one year. First spawned in my community tank (a month ago) and I got to free swimming (they never found the parents and everybody else ate them!!! so, I moved them to a breeding tank, layed eggs the second time and one of my kids pulled the 6-way out of the wall - next day they were GONE!!! Layed eggs again 3 days later and here I am!!!! ;D

I really have done nothing, (water changes 2X's a day and feed them twice a day) other than that my fish deserve the credit - they have been really good parents so far and I hope they keep up the good work!!!! Cuz I want BABIES really bad!!!!! Thanks so much though.....

fcdiscus

11-22-2002, 01:09 AM

Looking GOOD! :o take it from me, you are doing something right! Frank

11-23-2002, 01:21 AM

:bounce: :bounce: Day 13 :bounce2: :bounce2:

11-23-2002, 01:22 AM

another.... Day 13

11-23-2002, 01:24 AM

another... Day 13

11-23-2002, 01:26 AM

last one... Day 13

Carol_Roberts

11-23-2002, 02:37 AM

Great Pictures, very healthy looking! she is just swarming with fry.
Carol :heart1:

paulmat

11-23-2002, 03:56 AM

Spluweze
Those are great pics 8)
I hope you have lots of room for that horde.
Paul :guitarist:

Willie

11-23-2002, 04:39 PM

Time to think about a 55-gal. Looks like you got about 7 days to get it set up! Watch for ammonia spikes with all those babies respiring. :) :) :)

Willie

11-23-2002, 05:26 PM

you better hatch some shrimp!!!!! and looks like your going to need to keep several bottles going.

citizenal

11-23-2002, 05:41 PM

What is the rosenthal cone? Where can I get one? Humm... Seems people have only good experiences with this cone, could someone point me in the right direction please. Thanks
AL

11-23-2002, 06:33 PM

Yes, I have been making BBS and feeding it to the fry since Tuesday. They are even bigger today!!!!

Al, here is the link to a breeding cone made by Evan Rosenthal. I really like mine.

http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=3633

citizenal

11-23-2002, 08:22 PM

Thanks alot for the link, really appreciate it. AL

11-23-2002, 08:48 PM

Great Job girl ;D
Soon, your going to be just slammed with fish. LOL
Keep an eye on the parents. With that many fry, there going to be eaten raw in no time.
Keep up the good work, Matt

11-23-2002, 09:12 PM

Thanks Matt.... ;D Sooooooooooooo, when do I move them???? I thought 2 weeks after free swimming - which I am only on week 1 from free swimming? I was gonna move them next Saturday. Help me!!!!!

Here is Day 14....

11-23-2002, 09:14 PM

Day 14....

11-24-2002, 08:08 AM

Wheezy, i would just watch the parents. When you can see the fry are bothering them,( and it will be obvious), then its time to pull them. I would give it as long as they parents can tolerate it. There is no beating a 24/7 food supply perefected by mother nature IMO, so go as long as possible with the parents and just keep feeding BBS to help MOM.
Good job, Matt

11-24-2002, 10:17 PM

Day 16...
Thanks Matt and also THANK YOU WILLIE.... ;D ;D ;D

11-24-2002, 10:19 PM

Day 15...

joanr

11-25-2002, 12:47 AM

wow, you've got a crew there on your hands. It's going to be so much fun for you to watch these babies grow out. A lot of hard work also. Have fun! They are so adorable.

Joan

11-25-2002, 01:39 AM

ok...time to cull...send half of them my way immediately.
lol

11-26-2002, 12:13 AM

Hi Joan, Brad.... ;D This is beginning to be alot of work!!!! hahaha

Am on Day 16....

11-26-2002, 12:15 AM

Day 16....

11-27-2002, 03:48 AM

Is totally amazing to watch these guys attack CBW's that are 3 times their size.....
Stopped by Weezy's tonight to see their progress. They are growing like weeds. :thumbsup:
They are in good hands Weezy, enjoy your Turkey Day while you are in Arkansas. Do not worry, Grandma... Happy Thanksgiving!

Julz

11-27-2002, 10:27 AM

they're starting to look like goldfish...the edible ones...lol

paulmat

11-27-2002, 11:41 AM

Hey, those are starting to look like discus :o

How long are you going to keep them with the parents?

My babies are right behind yours by a few days,plus I have two sets of wigglers( BD pair, and a Leopard/Wild Green pair). You were right about it being a lot of work!

Good Luck, thier looking great ;D

Paul :guitarist:

11-30-2002, 01:28 PM

Hi Paul. I found it impossible to move the fry! Tried the vacumm method - not enough power to suck one in the hose, then I tried the net - and accidentally killed one :'( so, I ended up just moving the parents and left the fry in their original tank. It was much easier this way!!!! Here is day 21................ and oh my - I cannot even begin to take a full picture of babies, there are sooooooooooooo many, not to mention swimming everywhere!!!! Thanks Julz for caring for them!!! ;D You did GREAT!!!!

11-30-2002, 01:28 PM

Day 21............

11-30-2002, 01:30 PM

Day 21..... feeding daphnia, BBS and cut up CBW's.... they go crazy over the CBW's!!!!

Willie

11-30-2002, 02:07 PM

They're looking great, Spluweze! Should be just ready for the next MAS auction on Feb 1!

Willie

paulmat

11-30-2002, 05:03 PM

Hi Spluweze
They are looking great ;D

Im thinking about doing the same and just move the parents. It seems to be the easiest way :thumbsup:

Hey.Im definetly interested in trading some "fry 4 fry"
We'll probably be ready around the same time ;D
Can't wait to see um grow and see more pics.

Paul :guitarist:

rsawest

11-30-2002, 05:15 PM

So cool! ;D ;D

11-30-2002, 08:25 PM

Here is a baby eating a worm..... (Day 21)

11-30-2002, 08:28 PM

Day 21.... check out those insides!!!! He has a worm too, but is almost finished with it. haha... too funny- wasn't even for them!!!! Was for mom and dad before I moved them!!!!

11-30-2002, 08:36 PM

Here is mom's slime coat that was starting to get raw from so many babies feeding from her.... see the redness? I didn't realize this happens, but is evident from the picture that it does. Learning all kinds of new stuff with my first experience with babies!!!! So, anyone out there who is new like me............... here is a bit of hope- IF I CAN DO IT...... YOU CAN DO IT!!!!! :thumbsup: I have no clue what I'm doing..... just taking one day at a time!!!!! ;D

12-01-2002, 09:50 PM

looks great! keep it up!!!

feel like sendin' a few my way? lol

Brad

12-01-2002, 09:53 PM

Hi Brad....
Pay for the shipping and tell me how to pack em' and I will.... ;D
(looking at January before they will be ready)

12-02-2002, 04:13 PM

hey...sweet!!

I may have to take u up on that, depending on my tank space in a month or so.

12-04-2002, 01:01 AM

Day 24.... :bounce2:

12-04-2002, 01:01 AM

Day 24...

Denny

12-04-2002, 01:03 AM

good thing they don't need to be breast fed ;D

paulmat

12-04-2002, 04:58 AM

L :sun: :sun:king G :rolleyes: :rolleyes:D Weezee

I think I saw one I woud like ;D

Paul :guitarist:

April

12-04-2002, 05:33 AM

Weezy hi!!! :wave:..great pics...and cute little boys :fish:and girls.
:fish:you'lll be pro in no time.
;D
keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

12-05-2002, 12:17 AM

Yes Denny!!!!! I have to agree with you!!!! ROTFPIMP

Thanks April, I am still crossing my fingers.... never have ever had babies before!!!!! Having 5 kids myself though, I'd say I am a good mother when dealing with a pack!!! haha.... so we will see ;D

PaulMat.... you will only receive the best!!!!! That's how bad I want a leopard!!!!! heeheehee.... I am so glad you have babies too!!!! They are looking great as well. Julz is creeping behind us... hers laid eggs tonight!!!

Woohoo!!!! Go Julz!!!!! :bounce2:

12-05-2002, 05:23 PM

Why don't you try to take a pic that includes all the fry and then count how many there are...I'm curious. Looks like you've got a really good spawn.

Brad

12-05-2002, 06:25 PM

Brad....

Knowing 2nd hand, she tried that. There are so many, them little darlings won't sit still and say "Cheese" ;D ;D.
How about this for a count?
A whole d@mn bunch.... lol.....
Truely amazes me.... I am goin over there tonight. Can't wait to see there size as it has been a week since I last saw them.

I hope I have the luck she is with my new spawn. So far they spawned on the other side of the cone. Outa site!... Geeze...... :-\

Julz

12-06-2002, 01:27 AM

Hi Brad! I have tried to count, and like Julz said it is impossible- they are EVERYWHERE!!! They fill the entire 28g I have them in and they are still SMALL! I know I have over 150+ babies..... and tonight my breeding pair spawned again in their new tank!!!!! Very bad, very very bad..... Is this suppose to happen? Does anyone know? Do I remove the eggs to let mom and dad heal from the last batch or is this normal for them to breed again? Mom has healed quite nicely from the last picture I showed of her side. I wouldn't think I could get lucky again, but I don't know.... I am a beginner and have never owned fish that had babies before. All I do know, is that it's been almost a week with my fry away from mom and dad and they are growing quite rapidly-

Go Julz Go!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

12-10-2002, 12:18 AM

Day 30.... starting to drop a few.... (8 so far)

12-10-2002, 12:19 AM

Day 30 close-up

12-10-2002, 12:20 AM

Day 30 close-up

12-10-2002, 12:21 AM

Day 30 close-up

paulmat

12-10-2002, 05:02 AM

Wheezy

Mine are at it again also ::)They laid more eggs than the last time,and they gave me a huge amount last time,like you I can onle guesstimate about 130 +.I don't know if the parents need a rest,but I will after this next spawn :P

Yours are gettin bigger :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce2:

Paul :guitarist:

April

12-10-2002, 06:15 AM

hee hee . cute.
ok...im no expert..but i think maybe....you should start splitting them into two tanks according to size so the smaller ones dont have to compete against the bigger ones. then....maybe you can count as you move fish!!!
any breeders out there who know when they should be split up according to size?

12-11-2002, 12:30 AM

Sounds to me like you know what you're talking about April!!! ;D Plan to do the big move on Saturday!!! So far, I have dropped 13....

Hey PaulMat that is cool.... your babies should be growing too!!! Have you posted pics yet??? Keep up the good work!!!!

April

12-11-2002, 12:55 AM

well..not sure weezy...ask willie. but i can see size difference more now than your last pic. is it the small ones who you are losing?

fcdiscus

12-11-2002, 01:29 AM

Hey weezy- they are at a delicate stage where flukes cause damage and bacteria infects the gills. 1 tbs salt per 2 gallons and a couple of hyde treatments may do the trick to help ward off those deaths! Frank

12-11-2002, 09:54 PM

Thanks Frank-

yes April, it is the small ones that I am losing- 4 more tonight

amazing_discus

12-11-2002, 10:35 PM

Weezy,

Sorry for the lost! I lost about 30 out of 90 frys from my cobalt x turquoise. They are about a dime size and have not lost any for a week now. I used hyde and salt and 30% to 40% water change (straight tap water with w/ amolock conditioner) everyday...good luck......amazing_discus

12-11-2002, 11:31 PM

WOW Amazing Discus.... your tank looks just like mine!!!! haha.... so how are old are yours? Are they older than mine? Did you cut inhalf the hyde or use it at full strength? Thanks.... I appreciate the info ;D

amazing_discus

12-12-2002, 02:27 PM

Weezy,

I did one treatment of 10 drops of formaldehyde and 2 tbs of aquarium salt in their 15 gal..then 30% to 40% WC daily with 2 tbs of aquarium salt for five days. My frys are 3 days older than yours, some are over dime sizes now..The pair had spawned again and have a good size of wigglers already, will be free swimming today. I was surprised when they spawned again also thought that the eggs would not hatched cause their water are 50-25-25 (tap/rainwater/ro)...I will post some pics when I can...Good luck to yours.......Lauro amazing_discus

12-15-2002, 04:12 PM

Day 36..... all fry moved to a 75 gallon

12-15-2002, 04:13 PM

Day 36... closeup

12-15-2002, 04:16 PM

Day 36 close-up....

paulmat

12-15-2002, 04:27 PM

Weezy

Ahhh, they grow so fast,soon they will leave you after they eat all your food and spend all your $$$,Oh Im sorry I was thinking of teenagers ;D

They are getting big and looking good my man.

Paul :guitarist:

12-15-2002, 08:52 PM

Hey PaulMat!!! :) Yes they do!!!!!

rsawest

12-15-2002, 10:34 PM

Looking really good, Weezy! ;D

12-19-2002, 01:47 AM

I ended up not using anything, and let nature take its course. I have not lost any since Sunday. Growing like weeds and losing that ugly black spotted look. Most are clearer now. I would say as of today- I have about 130 babies. Have seen no stress bars yet- so genetics is looking like all pigeons!!! Is this possible? Also, I bought a 75 gallon for them, will this be big enough for them as they grow? I also stopped the last spawn, but my breeding pair spawned again yesterday with the same amount as my day 1 "I have eggs pic", just a few days after I moved them back to their original tank. I will do nothing to promote "more babies".... if it happens it happens and it it doesn't, I am out no more money!!!! haha.... How are your babies PaulMat and how's that second spawn doing?

Weezy ;D

12-19-2002, 02:04 AM

Oh, I forgot.... for anyone out there who knows.... at what age do you cull? Do you wait for them to get bigger? Or can you tell now from my pictures? Will not hurt my feelings, I want to know. Any brave souls out there.... your comments are appreciated!!!!!! I am still in baby learning mode- haha...............

Thanks, Weezy http://smilies.sofrayt.com/1/950/encore.gif

paulmat

12-19-2002, 02:50 AM

Weezy

My babies are doing great,still havn't lost any :)

The parents have spawned twice, but the parents ate both batches,and like you I'm not to upset about it.With my Angle Blue Diamond fry and those RSG/Marlboro babies my tanks are full.

Yours look good,I'll post some pics this weekend,they are really coloring up nicely.90% are red ;D

Talk to you soon
Paul :guitarist:

12-26-2002, 11:45 PM

Day 47!!!!! They just got though eating.... so their bellies are very full!!!

:bounce2:

12-26-2002, 11:47 PM

Day 47... all different sizes....

12-26-2002, 11:49 PM

My phrag's are in bloom, so I couldn't resist!!!! Besides discus and angelfish I also grow orchids!!!! Here is a bessae orchid...

12-26-2002, 11:50 PM

This is Pearci, also a phrag....

12-26-2002, 11:51 PM

and I also have about 30 phal's in bloom, here is one of them:

Carol_Roberts

12-27-2002, 01:06 AM

Your orchids are beautiful!

I grew out my whole first batch to see how they changed over time. I know now that the small ones stay small. If you move them to their own tank some will catch up, but most won't. I should have just culled the small ones and concentrated on the big ones. This time I will save the ones with the highest, roundest bodies. The long ones turn into footballs.

I guess it depends on how much room you have for grow outs, your market for juvenile discus and how often you want them to have new spawns.

The earlier you can make a decision the better. I imagine it's pretty hard to put a healthy 2 inch fish in the freezer because it should be rounder and closer to 4 inches now.

Carol :heart1:

paulmat

12-27-2002, 01:54 AM

Very nice Weezy

You must have a green thumb,those orchids look beautiful.

I have been trying to post pics from my new cam. but i am having trouble downsizing the pics-. to fit.I have a Cannon and have Zoombrowser,any helpful hints.

Paul

12-27-2002, 09:20 PM

Hey PaulMat!!! After you have edited your photo, go to file, export and rename your file in the output window, select the jpeg format. Hit next. In the choose output size window, select the width and height of the photo you wish to downsize to. Select 72 resolution. Hit next. Choose 24 bit color and select quality towards high. Hit finished.

Go to where you saved the file (mine are on my desktop in a folder called Simply) and open the folder. Go to view, details. Scroll down and look at the size of the photo you changed it to. Anything under 75k is exceptable. You will need to play around with your size dimensions and your quality bar, (in your export options) to achieve the best picture quality within the size requirements for posting on the web.

After you have found a happy medium, all your pictures will probably have the same changes in size and resolution, so when you want to post new ones, just downsize to the same dimensions and use the same resolution.

I do not have Zoombrowser, but continue to ask me questions and I will do the best I can to accomodate your needs! If you want an easier way to achieve this with a program I do know very well, PM me and I'll point you in the right direction!

Weezy ;D

OEG

12-27-2002, 10:07 PM

Feeeeeeeed MEEEEEEE Seymooouuur!
;D

12-29-2002, 02:25 AM

Thanks Carol for the tips! PaulMat, did you get my download? Here OEG..... I fed them Seymooouuur

12-29-2002, 02:36 AM

Here is a vanda.... Cindy Hill

01-24-2003, 09:52 PM

It's been awhile... here are the babies as of today... heeheehee.... I copied off of PaulMat! ;D (I loved your last shots)

All the ones with stripes will be blue- the majority are blue and just a few pigeons

01-24-2003, 09:54 PM

another

01-24-2003, 09:55 PM

Eating worms

01-24-2003, 10:30 PM

I take better flower pictures! They are much easier than fish. Here is a new bloom:

01-24-2003, 10:32 PM

This is also a phrag... "Klotz"

paulmat

01-24-2003, 10:36 PM

Weezy
They look awesome :Like yours, mine are ready to find homes.Mine are eating me out of house and home :P
Just say when :thumbsup:
Take Me Home ,Please :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2:We'll Be Good, :fish: :fish: :fish: we Promise! :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce:

Paul :guitarist: