discusluvr
11-22-2002, 01:33 PM
Hi all,
I need help in identifying disease/curing my newly acquired Discus.
I purchased two red turk (I think they're) on Tuesday (the fish arrived to LFS on Monday). 1 is doing really well and the other seems to have problems described below.
Physical condition of the fish
1. visible parasites (describe)
No
2. stringy feces
No
3. head standing
No
4. bloated/ constipated
No.
5. Hole in the head, lateral line erosion
No
6. spots, salt like flecks, velvety appearance,cotton like growths etc.
Whittish spots on side, back and upper fins.
7. excessive slime production
No
8. labored breathing, disfunctional gill
No
9. cloudy eyes
No
10.darkened color
Yes
11. faded color
No
12. other unusual changes...
Fish seems to be itcy, frayed fins
Water parameters
1. pH?
7.4
2. Temperature
85
3. hardness?
Nitrite/Nitrate very low. 0 Amonia
4. conductivity?
How to measure??
5. TDS?
Not sure about this one either
6. R/O (reverse osmosis) filtered, or Tap (well or chlorinated city water), rain water
Tap water conditioned with Amquel and NovAqua
7. Water change regime? ( example .. 30 % daily, weekly monthly etc)
50% Daily
8. appearance (cloudy, green , clear, yellowish etc)
Clear
9. Odor (smells clean or sulfur-lit match smell-anaerobic indicator)
Smell Clean
Tank parameters
1. Size in gallons/liters?
20 Gallon
2. Substrate.? (bare glass, gravel, sand..)
Gravel, but removed it this morning (bare from now on)
3. Planted?
1 live plant, 2 plastics
4. Drift wood?
No, is it better to have driftwood on discus tank?
Filter types
1 Wet/dry?
yes, with 2 Biowheel
2. Canister?
No
3. hanging box( aquaclear whisper etc)?
Same as the above
4. sponges?
No
5. supplimental Peat filter?
No
6. supplimental air?
Yes, 1 air stone
7. Carbon, resin exchanges, ammo-chips etc
Just removed carbon from filter yesterday
Lighting( Important for algae problems and plant growth)
1. Hood
Yes
2. bulb type size, watts, spectrum (ex 5000K daylight)
Got a light, but not sure
3. light/dark cycle (number hours on/off)
Just turned it on when it's feeding time
General….
1. Diet(what and how often do you feed you fish?
Live tubifex worm
2. Other tank occupants than discus?
1 small Panda Cory
3. How many Discus in your tank?
3, 2.5 inches each
4. How long have you had them?
1 turk for over 1 week, the other 2 from this past Tuesday
5. Where did you get them (breeder/ Local Fish Shop -LFS)
LFS
6. Tank and filter cleaning schedule?
Daily water change of 50%
7. Medications/ salt treatments recently used or tried to treat this problem?
I've tried raising the temp to 90, but the fishes went crazy so I droped it back to 85. Add salt 1 teaspoon per 2 Gallon a couple of days ago, added back salt after each WC. Add 40 drops of met blue to the tank yesterday, had not added more after WC because condition seems not to improve. I have Nitrofura G at home, should I try it??
All my fishes are new, so I did not quarantine them seperately. I'm still puzzled because when I got the red turk, she seems to be OK. But, its situation seem to deteriote little by little. This morning, I noticed lost of appetite. She usually would eat the tubifex but only ate a couple this morning. She also become shy and try to hid when the other fed. I also noticed that the other healthy red turk is bullying the sick one. What should I do? I tries to feed them more food to curb the agression, is there a better way? I read that discus is better keep in a group of 6, but I have a small tank and don't want to overcrowd it. Also I don't want to introduce new fishes while there is a sick one. Hospital tank may be the other option, but I have very little space left.
Attached is photo of my fishes, it's not very clear, but I hope it can aid in finding cure for the sick one. The one on the left is the healthy one and the one on the right is the sick one.
Thanks in advanced for all your help and support.
KIM
I need help in identifying disease/curing my newly acquired Discus.
I purchased two red turk (I think they're) on Tuesday (the fish arrived to LFS on Monday). 1 is doing really well and the other seems to have problems described below.
Physical condition of the fish
1. visible parasites (describe)
No
2. stringy feces
No
3. head standing
No
4. bloated/ constipated
No.
5. Hole in the head, lateral line erosion
No
6. spots, salt like flecks, velvety appearance,cotton like growths etc.
Whittish spots on side, back and upper fins.
7. excessive slime production
No
8. labored breathing, disfunctional gill
No
9. cloudy eyes
No
10.darkened color
Yes
11. faded color
No
12. other unusual changes...
Fish seems to be itcy, frayed fins
Water parameters
1. pH?
7.4
2. Temperature
85
3. hardness?
Nitrite/Nitrate very low. 0 Amonia
4. conductivity?
How to measure??
5. TDS?
Not sure about this one either
6. R/O (reverse osmosis) filtered, or Tap (well or chlorinated city water), rain water
Tap water conditioned with Amquel and NovAqua
7. Water change regime? ( example .. 30 % daily, weekly monthly etc)
50% Daily
8. appearance (cloudy, green , clear, yellowish etc)
Clear
9. Odor (smells clean or sulfur-lit match smell-anaerobic indicator)
Smell Clean
Tank parameters
1. Size in gallons/liters?
20 Gallon
2. Substrate.? (bare glass, gravel, sand..)
Gravel, but removed it this morning (bare from now on)
3. Planted?
1 live plant, 2 plastics
4. Drift wood?
No, is it better to have driftwood on discus tank?
Filter types
1 Wet/dry?
yes, with 2 Biowheel
2. Canister?
No
3. hanging box( aquaclear whisper etc)?
Same as the above
4. sponges?
No
5. supplimental Peat filter?
No
6. supplimental air?
Yes, 1 air stone
7. Carbon, resin exchanges, ammo-chips etc
Just removed carbon from filter yesterday
Lighting( Important for algae problems and plant growth)
1. Hood
Yes
2. bulb type size, watts, spectrum (ex 5000K daylight)
Got a light, but not sure
3. light/dark cycle (number hours on/off)
Just turned it on when it's feeding time
General….
1. Diet(what and how often do you feed you fish?
Live tubifex worm
2. Other tank occupants than discus?
1 small Panda Cory
3. How many Discus in your tank?
3, 2.5 inches each
4. How long have you had them?
1 turk for over 1 week, the other 2 from this past Tuesday
5. Where did you get them (breeder/ Local Fish Shop -LFS)
LFS
6. Tank and filter cleaning schedule?
Daily water change of 50%
7. Medications/ salt treatments recently used or tried to treat this problem?
I've tried raising the temp to 90, but the fishes went crazy so I droped it back to 85. Add salt 1 teaspoon per 2 Gallon a couple of days ago, added back salt after each WC. Add 40 drops of met blue to the tank yesterday, had not added more after WC because condition seems not to improve. I have Nitrofura G at home, should I try it??
All my fishes are new, so I did not quarantine them seperately. I'm still puzzled because when I got the red turk, she seems to be OK. But, its situation seem to deteriote little by little. This morning, I noticed lost of appetite. She usually would eat the tubifex but only ate a couple this morning. She also become shy and try to hid when the other fed. I also noticed that the other healthy red turk is bullying the sick one. What should I do? I tries to feed them more food to curb the agression, is there a better way? I read that discus is better keep in a group of 6, but I have a small tank and don't want to overcrowd it. Also I don't want to introduce new fishes while there is a sick one. Hospital tank may be the other option, but I have very little space left.
Attached is photo of my fishes, it's not very clear, but I hope it can aid in finding cure for the sick one. The one on the left is the healthy one and the one on the right is the sick one.
Thanks in advanced for all your help and support.
KIM