would viagra harm discus?

[larry lob]

Hi,

Has anyone tryed viagra on discus?
Is there anything in it that would harm the fish?
What dosage would you recomend on a full grown adult? ??? ??? ???
I'm being serious here, this is not a joke. A genuine concideration :-\ :-\ i am thinking of giving them some.
Your thoughts please.

Larry

[bristoldiscus]

Are you sure your discus has erection probs? if yes,i feel your taking a bit too much notice of your fish dude,plus i am sure your probaly breaking some sort of law!! ;D ;D ;D
sort yourself out dude!!! ??? ??? ???

[larry lob]

Hey,

My male lacks lasting ability, i was curious!!

Larry

[fcdiscus]

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

[chirohorn]

LL, you crack me up (even though you're not TRYING to be funny). ;D My advice would be not to do it. The med was meant for people, not fish.

My PDR states that it's a phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitor (cGMP specific). Initial dose of 50mg taken 1/2-4 hours before 'the act'. Assuming an avg male is 170#, divide 50mg by 340 (half pound adult discus) = 0.14mg. Tah dah!

That's assuming the fish actually ingests the powdered tablet. OR will you inject it? :o Now, do you see why I think it's comical?

[chirohorn]

I'm sure the fish will really be in the mood after the injection. Oh, to be a fly on the wall when you request Viagra from your physician...for your discus. Hilarious stuff, LL :P

[Ryan]

The truth of the matter is, or at least how I understand it anyway, is that Viagra is not a sexual stimulant and it is not a fertility drug... it supposedly increases blood flow (and we all know what that does, guys)... So I doubt it would help your fish with whatever problem it's having.

Ryan

[Fish_Fin-atic]

*LOL* On top of all the other things already mentioned, where did anybody ever get the idea that discus get erections in the first place?? THAT is what Viagra is for isn't it? It also increases the heart rate, on top of other side effects, not to mention that it is a HUMAN medication, definately not for fish! ::)
Maybe one day some researcher out there will accidentally discover the secret of fish fertility, but until that day comes, don't throw any purple pills in the tank! *LOL* ;D

[Dennis_Hardenburge]

Larry
Put some wheat germ in thier food

[brewmaster15]

Right on Ryan...Viagra was a mistake ... avery profitable one for Pfizer. It was being tested for other purposed, and rumor has it the researchers noticed the male rodents walking rather funny :)...alls viagra does is increase blood flow to muscles....though theres a msucle involved in the male fish fertilizing the eggs.... If the male has a low sperm count.... Its going still have alow sperm count....


Incidentally...IF it was added to the tank water and if it did work on fish.... I think its got a good chance of getting into the fish thru the gill surface like most meds do, (my guess) problem is ...you'd need a full water change after dosed the fish. ....oh no....here we go again with the WCs ::)... couldn't resist. ;D ;D ;D ;D


-al

[larry lob]

Good morning,

It is correct that viagra's side effect is the sexual one and that it was not intended for fish, however what about drugs like drocite? thats a dewormer that can be consumed by humans. ::)

my male doesn't have a low sperm count just a low concerntration and slight concussion that never passed after a leap for freedom into the cover glass, he is constantly hazed. ??? ???

I was curious to see if an icreased heart rate would help his staying power? ::)

i think i am going to mix a 100mg tablet with 1lb of beef heart and see what happens. ;)

I'll wait 24 hours to see if anyone has tryed it and had any results b4 i make him abuse his wife. :'(


P.S Injection ................... what do i mix the powder with to make it suitable for an injection, also where is the best place to jab a fish, i see no fatty bum to hit ??? ??? ??? ???

[bristoldiscus]

Poor sod would die of exhaustion,sh###ing a cone for hours!!!! ;D
p.s.
human,animal meds,no difference,next time your at the dentist,ask what he"d prescribe for an abcess,you"ll be surprised ;) ;) :)

LOL Larry, try Dyacide if Viagra fail to correct Erectile Dysfunction of your fish. Don't ask me how a dewormer for anchor worm works for his tiny muscle. Trust me. It's ancient Chinese secret. Don't try it on yourself please. ;D Dyacide can make a normally docile male become excited and start harrassing any female insight.
Jimmy.

[bmrin1]

Why?
Brian

[brewmaster15]

Hi Larry,
Not that I am adbvising you to do this but if you do.... the most common place for fish injections is the epaxial muscles just below the dorsal fins.

the probelms is the soluability of the drug, and luckily I have no experience with that med :)

My guess... try to get it to go into a solution at in the phyisological range of pH 7.5-7.9 other wise it may just precipitate at the injection site.

You'd probably be better off soaking some beef heart in the stuff.

good luck,
al

[April]

how about..you go buy a whole new group of fish.and grow them out and wait tillyou get another male who is young and keen to breed? sounds easier to me...maybe a bit of a wait..but thats the way it is in the discus game. wait wait wait...or look for a male someone is selling.
but.go ahead and let us know what your experiment does.
maybe try jimmys med he suggested?

[Teitelbaum]

Larry:Make sure you have the top tightly close. On the commercial, Viagara can make an old man jump over fences. Doing back flips. Lets hope he doesn't land on the floor. Why? ??? ??? What have you done to him? ;D ;DLOL
Earl

[larry lob]

Ok,

Here goes...... the story so far....... my fertile and lazy male has fertalised on many occasions producing young but alas not a good ratio with his super egg laying partner (she lays 500+ eggs, he fertalises 80+).

They had a little health issue which was resolved and he decided to take a leap into the cover glass and has never fully recovered, he is almost trance like most of the time.

they have just started to show to each other again, however he loses intrest quick.

I sell Kumagra which is the indian copy of viagra.

I have crushed 100mg of kumagra into 1lb of beef heart and as soon as i post this will proceed to feed him.

I will post the results of this experiment in the morning.

Wish him luck.

Larry :-*

[bmrin1]

OK here goes.
Your are assuming that your discus will get an erection from the stuff. Possibly but not likely. Second and more importantly you assume that because you gave him an erection that he/it will consciously make an attempt to have sex. You are wrong. Only humans and perhaps a couple of primate species will make that decision. The rest is triggered by hormones. The females hormones.
April is correct. Get some new fish and give your stunned fish a nice peaceful life and move on. If he was only fertilizing 80 eggs out of 500 then he is not worth the trouble. Could be low sperm count or lots of deformities in the sperm.
You need to move on.
Brian

[Don_Lee]

I would never even consider giving fish Viagra, I doubt it would do anything good at all. Unless an expert like Jeff, Cary, etc. recommends it, i would say no way.

Don

[Fisheyes]

Golly Gee
Just what a guy needs a bunch of fish swimming around with stiffies ;D ;D ;D ;D :smash:

I love this board I get to laugh every morning with my coffee
Fisheyes ( :thumbsup:

[Mr.Trips]

I think you all are thinking with your other head! I think if he gives them Viagra, they will all have Erect Fins!

Hi Larry,

Unless that fish is from exceptional quality or you just want to experiment around with him, I really don't see a reason why you want to go through with this.
You must keep in mind that you might harm him more then you might help him.
I am not attacking you just trying to understand your reasoning.

Thanks Ronald

[bmrin1]

Larry don't take my comments as an attack either I just see it as useless. Could be wrong but I just think there are better things to do.
Brian

[nalah]

why not let nature decide> if the poor fish is meant to breed,he will. if he doesn't, get another one that might.
giving him viagra is for your benefit,not his.

[discus_nw]

This has got to be the most ridiculous (I would have said moronic, but I don't want to be offensive) thread I have ever seen and I am glad my name isn't on the original post.

I read an editorial in the Tacoma paper about ten years ago from a real deep thinker that is on the same level. He solved the problem science has been dealing with concerning a cure for AIDS. Here is his line of thinking:

It is a well know fact that Clorox kills the HIV virus. This being true, why aren't doctors just injecting HIV positive patients with bleach! Is it because the drug manufacturers would not profit from this inexpensive cure for AIDS?

WHAT!!!!!! :o

The poor b@st@rd's name and and city (Tacoma) were printed for all to see.

Viagra has nothing to do with low sperm counts or staying power in humans, so it sure would have no effect for this purpose in fish. All that may become of this is that you cause your fish to have a heart attack or hemorage if you overdose it as you have no idea how much to give a fish. :)

::) ::) ::)

[ReeferKimberly]

curious, did he go through with it? hope not :-[
kimberly :-*

[larry lob]

Ok,

Last night i persued the line i was taking for a number of reasons. Firstly let me start by saying that those of you that have come across my threads and post in the past am sure will know that i did this as a last resort for a fish i like and am not willing to give up on.
Plus i see no harm in the experiment for this reason.... i beleive the first person to give a discus a horse dewormer didn't firstly get a culture, the metro treatment didn't dirive from firm medical backing but purly a last resort experiment.

to last night........
i crushed a pill into some beefheart and fed my handsom male, first reaction was not abnormal, he sat dazed as usal decided to eat after 30 minutes or so as always and then after 15 minutes WOKE UP.
he DIDN't get an errection (which i NEVER expected).

He simply woke up and has stayed awake since, he is with the female, they are swimming about as they used to and nothing seems wrong, his eyes are no longer fixed he is activly hunting for food and shows no stress.

It has been 16 hours and all seems ........ well ...... normal.

If he falls back into his trance i will redose in 7 days and take it from there.

I will pre-empt anyone asking if the tank conditions are correct or if there are any ilnesses going on, there were none that i am aware of.

i will continue to monitor them and see what happens.

In total honesty if he never spawns and stays awake, swimming, eating, playing normally i am more than happy.

BTW one of my females made a 100% recovery from "incurable" head standing with unconventional theropy.


If i have offended anyone with this thread, tough! i don't want to seem rude however i am not offendable myself, nore bothered by others oppinions of myself.
Those that see my posts know i am respectful and greatful for this site and those that use it.

Hugs and Kisses to all. :-* :-[ :-X ;D

Larry

As a foot note i do not recomend anyone to follow my line of medicating in this matter, without further experiment and medical backing it is unwise for anyone administering this medication to fish.
I stand alone in what i did and do not condone it as usal practice on fish nor human.

Larry, You are a good man. :angel: I've done almost everything possible to discus for the past 20 odd years. I'm still finding something new everyday. I have drug company give me samples every week. I've spent 10 years doing research in medical college. Imagine what my discus have gone through. Wondering why they still find new indications for ASA after all these years. ??? Keep up the good work. It's a free country and we are free to express our point of view. Just ignore the negative comments. We always get it regardless of what we do in life. Anything out of the norm is rediculous. People are jealous for the new found youth of your bubbies. ;D ;D ;D
Jimmy.

[larry lob]

Thanks Jimmy,

do you think a 7 day wait for a redose is enough?
I have to assume that one dose won't fix him for good.

Is there an animal nurologist in the forum?
I would love to know if a fishes brain can recover like a humans after bruising or if once out, forever more?

Larry

[Fisheyes]

Larry
I stated that I get a laugh most days when I read some of the threads .I really do enjoy a chuckle and if for instance my brother told me he was using viagra I would have laughed as well and then looked at it with a serious note.

I can see that you are going to persue this even though the negative comments come in so in that case if you want something that is going to arouse you fish why not try Spanish fly . It has worked on the farm for years.
Fisheyes( :crazy: :yikes:)
P.S
Maybe you better lock up the other females though

Larry: All research are done on a trial and error bases. An educational guess with documentation. If your coffee is not sweet enough of your liking. Add a little bit more. No body has tried it before. you may lose a few for the goodness of the future impotent discus. That's worth it. I think the discus will agree with you. They rather die happy with a smile on their face and have a productive life than a uselss unhappy one with Erectil Dysfuction. ;D JMHO
Jimmy.

[larry lob]

Fisheyes !!!!!!!!!

Spanish fly!!!!!! thats for the girls and no way to be used on a male!! ;D

However china brush was going to be the next step if this one failed LOL :-X

Larry

[larry lob]

OMFGGG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As i type my pair are cleaning the pot and making DRY runs.
She is fully dialated and he is very involved.

This is amazing, they havn't spawned since late feb.

I am going to stress this is not a direct result of my course however i have to beleive it has helped.

Time will tell if he fertalises and the hatch rate assuming he doesn't go off the boil and leave her to it.

I am so shocked i almost put them off doing a gigg when i checked on them.

As always i am staying well clear of them till it's over.

I'll keep you posted and sort out the pics next week if all goes well.

An Astonished larry

Larry, I also know that you are a good man and want the best for your fish.
I just wanted to understand a bit better why you are doing this. Thanks for pointing it out.
I am also sure there are many experiments going on from others which we might never hear about ???
Anyway I wish you the best of luck with your Endeavor. ;D

Ronald

[discus_nw]

There's not a jealous bone in my body. It's not a stretch to use a dewormer on a fish that is used on an animal, whether it be horse, pig, or dog, nor is it a stretch to use metro on Hex in discus when it is used to kill similar parasites in humans. Certainly, anyone doing medical research can see the possibilities, and anyone with a high school biology course can follow the logic of this. Viagra has nothing to do with fertility or staying power in humans, and to even consider that it would have such an effect on discus is so illogical that it borders on lunacy. ;D

All the medical laboratory, staff (esp. the doctors) at work today got a real chuckle at the thinking in this thread today.

Carry on please. ;)

[larry lob]

Ok,

Eggs are down and look good however she didn't lay too many this time around.

He has reverted to his trance like state and she is fanning the eggs.

i don't see many of the eggs hatching and hold low optimisum for this batch.

however it shows the fish are still happy in thier invioroment and show willing to breed.

I have taken on board all comments and am rethinking the redose.

Larry

[bristoldiscus]

If he gets too "stiff",h"ell probaly smash the cone on the first run!! ;D ;D ;D

[Fisheyes]

Hey Larry
Don't ever let this thread die ..
Trance-- A dazed or stunnded condition .

I better not let my wife see this because I know what she would say.

Dam that Bristoldiscus you made me spill my coffee on my computer keys :coffee: I was laughing so much

Fisheyes( :yikes:)
I can just hearthe rumors around the lab now :lurk:

[larry lob]

O Well,

They ate the eggs!!!

What would make a sucsessfull pair of non egg eating fish turn to egg eaters?

I am lost, they have had many batches without egg eating.
Any ideas minus viagra theory would be appriciated lol.

Larry

[Denny]

O.K,

I can let you slide on the Viagra but if you buy him a convertible to get him over his midlife crisis that's it.lol

Maybe he needs some medicinal marijuana. If you try that remember to add dorito's to the beefheart mix. ;)

[Fisheyes]

Next time they lay put a screen around the eggs till they are free swimming
stop "egg eating" parents?



Fisheyes( :idea: :idea2:

[larry lob]

Hi,

They never used to be egg eaters ??? ??? ???

mariguana is not effective, with discus it just gets their respitory rate way low and is dangerous, however it is funny to watch them lean over and wana chill.

Larry

[bristoldiscus]

Try em on the mushrooms dude, ;Dits a trip watching em stroll round the fishhouse!!! :D :D :D

[AmberC]

OMG this thread is.... wow.

[FatFutures]

OMG this thread is.... wow.


Seriously! I want some of whatever they were smoking!

:D

[Graham]

This was the best laugh I've had in ages....:D

[plecocicho]

Borat says nice!
LOL:D:D:D