The Canadian Connection

[ronrca]

And my favorite pic!

[shorthair]

Ron,

Congrats on the new baby boy :balloon: :balloon: :bounce2: :bounce2: :balloon: :balloon:

Your life will never be the same again....BUT FOR THE BETTER ;)

Devin

[jules]

CONGRATULATIONS RON
He's a real cutie. All the best to you and your wife.

Julie

[jim_shedden]

Ron: his hands look a little withered. You got him doing w/c's already :thumbsup:

[Barb Newell]

Congratulations Ron!!!!!!

Barb :)

[ottawadiscus]

Congratulations Ron!!! :balloon: :balloon: :balloon:

Loyed

[korbi_doc]

:bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :balloon: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2:

CONGRATULATIONS RON, TO YOU & YOUR WIFE & NEW BABY!!!!, Dottie 8)

[ronrca]

Thanks everyone! The little guy is eating, pooping, sleeping and not in that order all the time. He as gained over a pound already and the newborn sleepers are getting too small. So he can start helping me with the wc's! LOL! 8) ;)

[Northwestcoastdisc]

Hi Ron,

I did not know you have a baby!

Congratulations Ron!!! enjoy being daddy :)

take care ;)

Duncan

[Smokey]

Just to mention; Ron R. - did not have a baby boy. His wife did!
Ron was just there to applaude.

[Smokey]

HAPPY VICTORIA DAY ..... CANADA! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Darn, it's snowing again.

[jules]

Same to you Smokey.

Didn't you get rid of that snow yet down West?

[Smokey]

Well, since you asked;
It has been Snowing for the last 4 days.
Kind'a nice; though.
Everyone has their ponds full of Koi!
Victoria Day; out-here, in the Rockey Mountains, it is just means the last big dump of "SNOW". before summer "MIGHT ARRIVE". and sometimes summer never arrives!!

Smokey

[discusnutz]

Hi Fellow Canadians!

[discusnutz]

OOPS, wasn't quite finished on that last post!!!

My name is Brenda, and I live on Beautiful Vancouver Island. Have been keeping Discus almost a year now.

Nice to find the Canadian Connection post!! I see it has been pretty quiet for the past few months, so maybe this post will revive it! Looking forward to getting to know yous!!! Take care and hoping to hear from yous!!

Brenda

[ronrca]

Hi Brenda! Welcome to Simplydiscus! I live near Edmonton, Alberta. Good to hear from someone on the West Coast! ;)

[Smokey]

Welcome discusnutz. I.m down in the southwest corner of Alberta - Rocky mountains; the gateway to B.C.. As close to B.C. without actual living in B.C.[ border is only 20 miles away.].

Glad to have you aboard.

[discusnutz]

Thanks for the welcome "Neighbours!"

Do you both breed Discus? I have this lovely little Westjet airport nearby!! Maybe I'll have to take a little fishin trip!!! Take care and thanks again for the welcome

Brenda

[ronrca]

Not yet breeding discus but hope to soon! ;)

Here is my pride and joy! We are soooo blessed to have such a content and beautiful son! ;D He will be 4 months old this Friday!

[jules]

He's a real cutie. Doesn't time just fly. ;D

[April]

Roncra your son is getting sooooooo cute. ok he was always cute. but hes grown. you must be doing your wcs and lots of good food.
oh.im in vancouver by the way Brenda. .

[discusnutz]

Ronrca........what a little sweetheart, he's definitely a keeper!!!!!.........good body shape, nice complexion, eyes look good!!! LOL ;D...couldn't resist that, I'm a little warped ;) take care........Brenda


April.........I didn't realize you were in Vancouver, somehow had it my head you were in the "east"!......( "princess not so bright") strikes again! :P...Are you breeding Discus? Please let me know....I don't get off the island much...but fishies have been known to lure me off!! Last April, bought my first 6 discus in Horseshoe Bay...sight unseen.....basically clueless.....drove off the Ferry, met the fellow in the parking lot with bag of fishes, 6 all in the same bag, in a mini cooler, drove back onto the Ferry, and raced home....needless to say I had some badly ammonia burned fishes by the time I arrived home 2.5 hrs later....all survived tho...then thank goodness I found this site, and its been a blessing!!! Since then I have learned most of my first 6 fishes are stunted, (came from a gravelled tank, and only ate BW) Of course I love them anyway! I now have 12 discus all total, but of course I need more!! Please let me know if you do breed discus. And whether or not you do or don't, it would be nice to meet you in the future...us discus addicts gotta stick together!! take care, hope to hear from you

Brenda

[April]

hi there..i have in the past had a few spawns..but i havent been lately. but..i do on occasion get fish in from some of the people on simply. people like jason at superiordiscus, cary..and rod from Australia. if im getting more.i will let you know.

[April]

i will trade you a yorkie for a bunch of discus. lol.

[discusnutz]

Hi April ;D


Sounds good to me!!!! Have a great day!

Brenda

[Smokey]

Looks just like daddy ;D ;D

[ronrca]

Since Ive seen a lot of new Canadians, maybe we can restart this thread!

[Moon]

I am in Burlington Ontario. Been keeping fish for longer than I care to remember. I am the secretary of the Hamilton club. Been keeping discus (second time around) for about two years.
Brent I too was involved with NADS. Bob Wilson, Vern Archer, Lionel Desouza etc. Did I meet you at that time about 20 years ago.
Joe

[cobaltblue]

Wow, what a long thread to read. Thanks Ron for starting it. Nice to read about so many Canadians on this forum. I am from Burnaby BC, now living in Abbotsford Bc. My wife is from Missassauga Ont. I have 3 children ( girls, 6, 5, and 2) Ive had fish tanks all my life, but have only gotten into discus this year. I am so addicted to them now. I am also a huge Canucks fan, and i hate the leafs...no offense, well, maybe a little. lol. Hopefully this thread will get going again.

[Resinman]

Hey guys I just wanted to say hi. I am here in Mississauga and my hatchery is in Brampton. One of the old guys from the original NADS. I really love this site and it is refreshing to be amongst a bunch of people that have the same passion. I noticed the politics has toned down allot too (it really never goes away completely) Well cheers all.

Brent McDonald

[JimmyL]

Hi Brent and other Canadian esp. in T.O. area.
Do you know there is a discus price war between several fish stores in Scarborough alone Steels ave.... They are selling discus belowcost trying to kill eah others. 4" BD selling for $40 and still able to bargan to lower price if buy more. Let's start the Canadian connection again. We'll beat the Aussies this time....
Jimmy

[Resinman]

Hi Brent and other Canadian esp. in T.O. area.
Do you know there is a discus price war between several fish stores in Scarborough alone Steels ave.... They are selling discus belowcost trying to kill eah others. 4" BD selling for $40 and still able to bargan to lower price if buy more. Let's start the Canadian connection again. We'll beat the Aussies this time....
Jimmy
What stores Jim?

[ronrca]

Hi guys and a big welcome to more Canadians. Politics are always lurking and since we are on the topic of politics, we have an election coming up. What do you guys think about it and who are you going to vote for (if your going to vote)?

Since Im in Alberta, I have always voted PQ...j/k! Ive voted Reform and will now vote PC. Im sick of the liberals using my tax dollars to line their and their friends pockets.

[Jason]

I was a big NDP supporter until recently, it seems Jack Layton's party is very different from Ed Broadbent's socialist vision and ideals for Canada and is not the same party it was.
To me Harper seems nothing more than a George Busch clone, if the PC party won the last round, we would have troops in Iraq and plans would be on the table to let the U.S. weaponise the space above us, using us as a pawn in their "pax-americana" neo conservative projects.
I never have voted Liberal, just like the last 3 elections I am stuck voting for the party that I think will win the least amount of seats, hopefully no one party will have a majority and no winning party will have too few seats. Maybe no head-way will be made for the country.. but not too much damage will be done for our next generations to fix.

JMHO

[cobaltblue]

I'll be voting for Harper ( conservatives). I would vote reform if it was still around. NDP have screwed up British Columbia so badly that i cant fathom
giving them my federal vote.

PS.. sure wish some of those cheap discus deals were happening here in BC.:(

[Jason]

PS.. sure wish some of those cheap discus deals were happening here in BC.:(

That wish just may come true ;-)

[Symphony]

Hi guys just wanted to say hi and say it's great to see that there are many Canadians on this board. My name is Tony and I am from oshawa just outside of Toronto. This election will be interesting.
Tony

[Jason]

Hi Tony,

we've got tons O canucks
love the name "symphony"!

[JimmyL]

Brent: Lucky and two other new stores across the street on Steels ave. Next to Canadian Tire. They pay supplier $170 per fish and sold for $190 a piece after sitting in their tank for 4 weeks. 4" BD for $35 cost price and sold for $40. Eruption asking for $88 and sold for $60. They cost them more than that from different suppliers. But they are all imported fish. All they need is one bad fish and will completely wipe out all their stock. We refused to sell them fish cause they will die in their tanks with all these imports. We'll let them kill each others with the cheap imports and it doesn't affact our locally bred fish which are still in high demand from Hobbyist who know discus. Our wholesalers still pick up every single fish that we have available.
Jimmy

[JimmyL]

As for the election issue. Who is the least evil one will do the least demage to our country?
The Rhinoceros party got my vote. I look after most of their member when I was interning in downtown hospitals. Used to know everyone of them who came in the hospital to steal something and sell to the pawn shop. Some are well educated with many degrees in their bag. It's the social unjustice drove them to the street. Most of them got frozon to death in the winter cold. They are so peaceful. Drinking beer and smoking weeds is their party platform. Investing in beer bottles to keep up with inflation. Smart party policy.
The Ontario voters play an important role in the deciding votes. Liberal usually dominating the last few elections. This time they will lose all votes from the church goers with their same sex issue. It may be a deciding factor for the Liberal in Ontario with the same reason that got Dear Cowboy George elected in the U.S.A.

[ronrca]

To me Harper seems nothing more than a George Busch clone, if the PC party won the last round, we would have troops in Iraq and plans would be on the table to let the U.S. weaponise the space above us, using us as a pawn in their "pax-americana" neo conservative projects.


Your saying it like its a bad thing! I still dont know if it was a good or bad thing about Iraq. Both sides of the argument have good valid points. Regarding weapons in space, it will happen whether we like it or not, whether liberals, PC or NDP is in power. The US will go ahead with it and it doesnt matter what we say. And again, its a bad thing?

Good point Jimmy! I actually lose interest in the politics over time as all you hear is how evil the other party is or how bad the other person is. What happen to the good old days where parties actually stood for values, morals, laws, etc. Now it just smear campaigns almost like children trying to look better than the other by taddletailing or in other words making yourself look better than the other. :puke:

In any event, I do wonder how the liberals will fare in this election. Imo, I think that there should not be 1 party in power for decades and yes, I dont quite like massive majority govts either. On the other hand, minority govts like this last one are not good either. I just hope that we can get a govt that will actually manage my tax monies better. When I hear of the surpluses, why am I still paying so much taxes? When I hear of money scandeles, why am I paying so much taxes?

[JimmyL]

It's really hard to decide this time. Things I don't like.....

Liberal - Same sex marriage, didn't keep their promise to abolish GST, private helath care. Auto worker Union got involve in Liberal Party.

Conservative - Forced GST down by throat. Destroying Health care workers as Hoola Hoop workers and treated teachers like dirt with baton and riot squard besides a baby carriage(provincial). Don't trust any one of the past leaders including Ferderal as well as Provincial leaders except Bill Davis.

NDP - Fip Flop on private health care. But I like Jack and Oliver Chow.

Who can destroy the country a bit slower?

[grelot]

I'm quebecquer and I've been completely uninterested in federal politics and havent vote for the 8 past years. But this time I think I'll go and I'll vote Bloc quebecois or maybe green party.

[emjhay]

i bought 2 discus to this store (LUCKY) for like 30 and now they are 4.5" befor they ver live juvi


Brent: Lucky and two other new stores across the street on Steels ave. Next to Canadian Tire. They pay supplier $170 per fish and sold for $190 a piece after sitting in their tank for 4 weeks. 4" BD for $35 cost price and sold for $40. Eruption asking for $88 and sold for $60. They cost them more than that from different suppliers. But they are all imported fish. All they need is one bad fish and will completely wipe out all their stock. We refused to sell them fish cause they will die in their tanks with all these imports. We'll let them kill each others with the cheap imports and it doesn't affact our locally bred fish which are still in high demand from Hobbyist who know discus. Our wholesalers still pick up every single fish that we have available.
Jimmy

[April]

Im here..im here..i live in vancouver. i only have a couple discus right now..but..after middle of january..there will be some nice new fishies swimming around in my tanks. nice blue cobalts. thanks to jason. : )
theres tons of us canucks around here. as a matter of fact..theres 4 canuck moderators alone. or more..jason..me..barb and jim sheddon.
as for politics..hmmm...jason for prime minister. lol. didnt you take political sciences jason? maybe your qualified enough..
if your a mother with 10 preschoolers..id vote for that conservative guy..hes gonna give you a 100 a month per preschool child. half the people in canada are women..and quite a few of them have preschoolers or will have..so..that oughta push up the votes some for him..heck..i wouldve been right there voting when my kids were preschoolers..just to get 200 a month extra. on top of the 400 for child tax credit..heck..could live off that practically. lol.

[Ax]

Not a clue how I missed this thread....., I am from the middle of no-ware (Saskatoon):p , got 30 Discuses (and 2 pairs working out there differences for the passed 4 month or so).
Politics - I would chouse the least evil one, and that’s not much to pick from…:mad:

[Jason]

any loss sovereignty and freedoms is a bad thing.

politics is not for me other than my right to vote.

[emjhay]

HEY GUYS.... U GUYS KNOW WHERE TO BUY PLAYSAND IN TORONTO ONT. CAUSE I WANT TO PUT IT IM MY DISCUS TANK... TY

[JimmyL]

Some people buy them from Home Depot. Better check with the expert. Ask for John or Ming - Gold Ocean Aquarium 9005 Leslie St. and Hyw 7. in the evening before 8pm. 905-763-7672 they will tell you if they are safe cause I know they bought a lot to set up their Cichlid and salt water show tanks recently and ask them where to get the rocks too. I think they came from a garden center located on Kennedy road just N. of 16th ave. near Bur Oak. You may have to use some acid to neutralize the chemical or something. Better confirm with them. They don't carry them for sale but they will tell you where to get them. Tell them I told you to call....if they hesitate with your questions..If you happen to go to their store. ask for permission to go to the back and check out all these breeding pairs with fry attach.
P.S. I'm not associate with the store. Just a friend who can buy anything at cost price through them.
Jimmy.

[emjhay]

thanks alot :) im really looking forward to dat... after my final exams i'll go right away....:)


Some people buy them from Home Depot. Better check with the expert. Ask for John or Ming - Gold Ocean Aquarium 9005 Leslie St. and Hyw 7. in the evening before 8pm. 905-763-7672 they will tell you if they are safe cause I know they bought a lot to set up their Cichlid and salt water show tanks recently and ask them where to get the rocks too. I think they came from a garden center located on Kennedy road just N. of 16th ave. near Bur Oak. You may have to use some acid to neutralize the chemical or something. Better confirm with them. They don't carry them for sale but they will tell you where to get them. Tell them I told you to call....if they hesitate with your questions..If you happen to go to their store. ask for permission to go to the back and check out all these breeding pairs with fry attach.
P.S. I'm not associate with the store. Just a friend who can buy anything at cost price through them.
Jimmy.

[Resinman]

Hey Joe you had to. I was also a football coach. Hmmm I lived in Mississauga. Always at Bobs place. I was the muscular guy. I talked in Hamilton back then too. I was the Central filtration nut :)

[Resinman]

HEY GUYS.... U GUYS KNOW WHERE TO BUY PLAYSAND IN TORONTO ONT. CAUSE I WANT TO PUT IT IM MY DISCUS TANK... TY
I get play sand from the Nurseries. I use it to breed my white worms. I have no idea if it is safe for tanks but isn't playsand playsand? :)

[Resinman]

Brent: Lucky and two other new stores across the street on Steels ave. Next to Canadian Tire. They pay supplier $170 per fish and sold for $190 a piece after sitting in their tank for 4 weeks. 4" BD for $35 cost price and sold for $40. Eruption asking for $88 and sold for $60. They cost them more than that from different suppliers. But they are all imported fish. All they need is one bad fish and will completely wipe out all their stock. We refused to sell them fish cause they will die in their tanks with all these imports. We'll let them kill each others with the cheap imports and it doesn't affact our locally bred fish which are still in high demand from Hobbyist who know discus. Our wholesalers still pick up every single fish that we have available.
Jimmy
You know that is how things are changed these days Jimmy. Back in the old days stores were eager to buy local. Now it seems the aura of the far east is in their blood. Oh well it will all go in a circle we just have to impress them with what we do. I guess I am guilty right now of being the importer too. But I have always searched out the best stock to augment my breeding. I am about 2 months away from being set. Well till then I am still going to fly under the radar. I am enjoying it again.

[Resinman]

Hi guys just wanted to say hi and say it's great to see that there are many Canadians on this board. My name is Tony and I am from oshawa just outside of Toronto. This election will be interesting.
Tony
Nice name? Sounds gay to me! Ha ha ha Sorry tony I couldn't help myself. :) Besides I didn't know you were musically inclined :)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ooops sorry :)

[Symphony]

Hey Brent,' It's always the guy that is insecure in his manhood that has a comment like that. Ooops did i write that. It is a lucky thing i know you.
Tony

[Timbo]

yeah, its good to see Symph wearing mens clothes again. ;)

hey, any other new brunswick'ers around? how bout N.S. or PEI ?

[Resinman]

Hey Brent,' It's always the guy that is insecure in his manhood that has a comment like that. Ooops did i write that. It is a lucky thing i know you.
Tony
I'll have you know that I am quite secure in my masculinity Tony... As seen how I never get my purse wet in the fish room :)

[Glenn]

You guys are killing me this is to funny. Hi from the wet coast.

[April]

well now alls well with the canadian connection . glenn has posted. lol. hi glen. : ) how many posts is that now?

[Glenn]

Up to 188 oh thats 189 now

[Jason]

Up to 188 oh thats 189 now

hehe 180 of those have got to be happy birthday posts.

[walter level]

hello, I was born at Isle-aux-coudres (google).

[Glenn]

Happy birthday

[jim_shedden]

too funny

jim

[emjhay]

hi is any2 here in toronto that can spare a tank :) its for my ray....im soattach to it dats y i dont want to sell it :)

[JimmyL]

I suggest posting on the Marketing section in buy and sell. I know quite a few Toronto Aquarists have many unused tanks available. Most frequent Simplydiscus often but rarely post. They may response to you. You may get them for free. In fact, I saw one of the name is presently log on that has at least 10/ 20 gallon tanks sitting outside his yard since summer, some larger one without the plastic frame that may need some cleaning.
Jimmy

[JimmyL]

Fellow Torontonians needs to take advantage of the present discus price war in N. Toronto that also affact the price in downtown Toronto and Mississauga too. A fellow aquarist report to me last evening that he bought 6 3" BD for $15 each and 4 3" Ablino for $25 each. The president of Chinese Trading Association also called me last evening trying to get my support to organize all LFS owners to discuss the current issue before anyone go bankrupt or someone goes to jail. It become so nasty that someone may get hurt. I support the price war instead. It's good for the hobbyists and that will stop every commercial breeders in Toronto stop breeding altogether for the purpose of selling them. Only the loyal hobbyists will breed for the love of the fish. He was kind of disappointed from my response. No body can beat the price of China. Price War may stop if the LFS owner come to an agreement of fixing the price of discus. So buy all your fish before Christmas and you may not see them again. Winter is not a good time to ship tropical fish from China cause they still lacking the experience of bagging fish ship to cold country.
Jimmy

[Timbo]

"Price War may stop if the LFS owner come to an agreement of fixing the price of discus."

thats illegal, but it can happen anyway (banks, oil companies come to mind:))


Jimmy L...very interesting post! thank-you
Tim

[ronrca]

Very interesting Jimmy and thanks for sharing. Price wars have always been good for the consumer. I wish gas stations would have more of these 'prices wars'. I do hope that the 'home grown' discus prevail in this dilemna however. Very good for the local hobbyists who like you said 'breed for the love of the fish'.

Keep us posted on the progress!

[Jason]

A discus price war in Toronto is enough cause for concern that
The president of the Chinese Trading Association feels its necessary to organise shop owners in mediation to prevent bankruptcy and gang warfare? I nearly pissed my pants when I read that.
tell us more Jimmy! this is interesting, better than TV.

[JimmyL]

I should correct my statement. It was the EX-President not the current president. I didn't know he was dethroned. Hahaha....No, I don't think gang is involved. They are legitimate businessman. It will not get that far. One store will sell anything as long as he can recover the cost plus $5.00 per fish profit regardless of the base price. An eruption listed for $88 and sold for $45. With the conversation with one established owner in that area. He is boiling inside suspecting other stores are sending business spies to check out his prices and adjust accordingly. He placed some items on sale below cost and the other store can do the same with a lower price. His emplyees have to take a reduced salary cut and they are not happy either. I asked him how did he know if he didn't send spies to check out other stores himself..... Those guys used to share shipment of fish together in separate locations. Now they are grouping together in a huge industrial area and start competiting to each others.. That's good for the consumers.
Jimmy

[Kevin11d]

"Price War may stop if the LFS owner come to an agreement of fixing the price of discus."
Even if the LFS owners come to an agreement on fixing the price of discus, few owners will eventually bail out and start offering lower price. It is just going to be a circular cycle. When owners are selling their products at maginal cost, they are not making any profits. Who is going to pay the rent for them? I talked to one of the LFS owner in T.O and he said that the only profits that he gets are from selling dry goods. He said that since there are so much competition in the market, he can't even afford to import nice quality discus.
In general, it is just very hard to do business in Toronto, other businesses like restaruants are facing the same situation. People would rather pay less than paying for quality foods and good services.

Kevin

[ronrca]

Some very good points Kevin! Its tough to own a business such as a lfs. I think that most lfs actually do not make much money on fish anyways. They make money on equipment and other aquarium related products and even at that the market is fierce.


there are so much competition in the market, he can't even afford to import nice quality discus. I hope that the local breeders and hobbyists benifit from this. It is sad to see that the locals are often ignored since fish can be imported from asia cheaper. I had a lfs tell me that already however when I see the quality of these imports, I would be embrassed to sell them. Naturally not all imports are of lesser quality. The difference is going to be the attitude of the lfs owner. If his first priority is making a profit, quality is not going to be there.

On the other hand, while I may be willing to pay more for quality and many of us here, a lot of people do not know what quality is or what to look for. Again, it comes back to the lfs owners attitude to help educate the public on this issue. Unfortunately, this is not the case very often. How many times have we seen the lfs selling 1 or 2 discus? Personally, I would ensure starters start off with at least 6 but then again Im not a lfs owner either. Of course the price must be affordible to do so. Im sad to see that the lfs are asking top dollar prices for culls imo.

Many people that frequent lfs view fish as disposible therefore quality....whats that?

[JimmyL]

The problems of imports is the risk that the importer have to take to acclimatize the fish to the local water. Somethimes the dead toll is very high during that period. That give a chance to the local breeders to sell some of the fish to LFS that the owners do not want to go through. Now A Malaysian breeder who breeds 90% of the world spotted fish recently patented his medication with his local government that can cure anything from external disease including velvet disease and black disease. He had challenged anyone can make his fish sick by mixing them with dead fish loaded with parasites which we called plague and also found the disease fighting property stays with the fish after it had been treated. Sounds like a Miracle drug but it's true accroding to a few who accepted that challenge. One of the Canadian importer is testing on his fish now. He will be the sole distributor for this medication. If that's the case. The Asian imports will be flooding the market once again. China has to think of something to improve their share of the market in Canada. It's interesting to see which way it goes.
Kevin: if you have tank space for some Super San-Merah. Tran got over 200 babies right now. We'll let you raise some. I have some F3 RSG free swimming today.
Jimmy

[ronrca]

Very interesting Jimmy! Id love to see this and the results of this med for sure. However, like a lot of imports where there is mass breeding/selling, quality is compremised when dealing with quantity. Maybe Im wrong but until I see otherwise......jmo!

[turkis]

It's really nice to have a laught now and then, but reading all these funny stories it is ridiculous.
The malaysian breeder that has a 90% overall market for his spotted fish, should be a millionaire by now and still going through all the trouble breeding those fish for his livelihood.
The medicine that cures all, isn't it a bleach base medicine and it has been in the market for a long time and it is going to be patented, importer is testing the medicine and his household smells of bleach specially in the basement and his tank water.
China's discus breeders have been shipping fish overseas for years without any problem.
It is kind of hard to swallow all that, to each it's own.
Mario

[brewmaster15]

Now A Malaysian breeder who breeds 90% of the world spotted fish recently patented his medication with his local government that can cure anything from external disease including velvet disease and black disease. He had challenged anyone can make his fish sick by mixing them with dead fish loaded with parasites which we called plague and also found the disease fighting property stays with the fish after it had been treated. Sounds like a Miracle drug but it's true accroding to a few who accepted that challenge.

Jimmy,
I'd like specifics on that as well.Not sure how patents are done over seas, but In the USA, To patent a medication requires stringent Lab tests..and that data would also have to specifically list what is being tested. It also requires The chemical is novel or is being used in a novel way.

Mario,
what you mention sounds like Chloramine-T.. I have heard that that it was being "looked " at by some as a miracle Drug..( and no- I don't buy it either!) They might as well use maroxy.. its safer:) Is that the one you are referring to?

-al

[Jason]

I've been using chloramine-t for years, nothing better for mopping your fishroom floors with!

[ronrca]

What is chloramine-T? I have chloramines in my tap. How do I get the T in? Sheesh! And to think that my tap water has all answer in it already. :D :inquisiti :rolleyes:

Btw, welcome to the Canadian Connection Al and Mario! ;)

[Timbo]

nothing better for mopping your fishroom floors with!

i'd prefer my boss's face to mop with, but it wont go into the corners that well

[Jason]

What is chloramine-T? I have chloramines in my tap. How do I get the T in? Sheesh! And to think that my tap water has all answer in it already. :D :inquisiti :rolleyes:

Btw, welcome to the Canadian Connection Al and Mario! ;)

Its an oxidizing/sanitize agent approved for use aquaculture, some impoters/exporters use it to burn-off everything external on fish parasites, bacterias, slime coat, etc. I don't recomend hobbyists use it... and if they feel the neeed to use it they are getting fish from a BAD source!

[raglanroad]

my bets are on TCP, trichlorinated phenols, the nasty stuff from chlorine and organics that we all want to avoid, so they put in chloramine instead, as less reactive. I've heard about this stuff being used by discus people and it is supposed to be very good.
All old time stuff way back to carbolic acid and Mister Lister hygiene. Where the name "Listerine" came from . Just the chlorines and phenols and you got the natural born killer.

[JimmyL]

Chl-T. has been used to cure what they called plagues or black disease exclusively for a few breeders in Malaysia. The user were able to buy up fish farms in trouble and were able to cure their infected fish with C-T. It was sort of a secret meds. among breeders for the last few years. But you have to know how to apply it properly. the new meds is not C-T. and Mario, in fact, Mr. Lee is a Millianaire many times over. It's not the money... One buyer from Hong Kong is still oweing $450,000 US. He is still smiling...Discus is only part of his business. He only goes in the farm in the middle of the night when nobody's around to medicate his fish.... Even the helpers don't know the foumula. So don't jump into conclusion...many champions from competition were provided by him to the brokers/breeders to improve sales as long as they have to buy fish from him.... we only see the surface of what's going on.... that's none of our business and I don't want to discuss it... Please stay out of it unless we are involve with their sales and have a share of it. If you think what the breeder has been telling you is right and 100% truth. Let's be it and please and that's exactly what they want you to believe anyway.... There is nothing wrong with it.... Please don't attack unless your're absolutely know you're 100% correct even O.J. Simson was wrongfully accused. Don't treat it as life and death... open up your fist and relex. It's a hobby.. and I'm not the owner of any stores neither. I don't compete with anyone's business just enjoy sharing of what I believe the truth of the discus world. If you don't like it, just simply ignore what I write ... Please don't interfere. It's just a friendly suggestion trying to keep calm before the storm. You're welcome to join in if you have an open mind.... Thanks. No back stabbing please.
I have been using C-T for a long time. If you don't know the property of C-T. just wait.. I'll tell you whenever the time is right or someone is able to learn about it.
Al: It's just what's going on and the claims of some breeders about their fish in discus community. It could be a useless meds. it may never allow to sell in America and Canada as Patterning cost a lot of money for each combination of meds. In fact, I only use one kind of med. for discus called "REFISH" that can cure any ailment of any imported discus. One med. cure all kind of thing but you cannot get it in the U.S. and in fact, the fish that I breed myself need no medication at all in their lives and only require regular PP treatment once in a while to keep the water clean. The new patterned meds that I mentioned is the work of several breeders within their group of breeders and they can't pattern someone else products like C-T. I have not seen it or used it. That's why it's in the coummunity section. There are many new things in the Discus community that may interest hobbyists. One is a new type of color agent being tested and test fish are in the second generation which acts like hormone but their fish is able to breed normally. I have to wait and see..... Where do they get their money if everyone can breed whatever they buy?????
Jimmy

[turkis]

I'm not attacking on what you wrote, just tell people the truth about it instead of going around in circles.
The medicine that the importer is testing, it was sent to cure his problem on heavy losses and it came from Penang, there are a lot of breeders in Malaysia named Lee and regarding the breeder that you are talking about and If he is a millionaire, why go through all the stress and aggravation to medicate his fish during the night and just to prevent his employees from finding out the ingredients of that medicine -- give it a break.
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If you don't like it.... Keep out. Please don't interfere. It's just a friendly suggestion amd keep peace before storm. You're welcome to join in if you have an open mind....
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I didn't know that you were running this forum, and whatever you wrote it is not a friendly suggestion, I do have an open mind but I hate to see hobbyist getting burned regarding this matter.
Mario

[JimmyL]

Mario Mario....: You're jumping into conclusion again. The medication is the trade secret that create spots from a simple SS. not to cure sick fish. You can't find even one sick fish in this farm, you can't lie what you don't know. So that his sales manager can tell every buyer with faith that their fish is not color fed .... The new patterned meds. is an open challenge to buyers who can make his fish sick mixing his fish with any external disease..He doesn't have to hide in the middle of the night...Will you stop it here please. I respect you more if you can respect others opinions. This is a community section not a bullring...the world is much better if we can love and tolerate each others.
Jimmy

[turkis]

Now A Malaysian breeder who breeds 90% of the world spotted fish recently patented his medication with his local government that can cure anything from external disease including velvet disease and black disease. He had challenged anyone can make his fish sick by mixing them with dead fish loaded with parasites which we called plague and also found the disease fighting property stays with the fish after it had been treated. Sounds like a Miracle drug but it's true accroding to a few who accepted that challenge. One of the Canadian importer is testing on his fish now. He will be the sole distributor for this medication. If that's the case.
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That's what you wrote and the discussion was based on what stated above.
Mario
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Mario Mario....: You're jumping into conclusion again. The medication is the trade secret that create spots from a simple SS. not to cure sick fish. You can't find even one sick fish in this farm, you can't lie what you don't know. So that his sales manager can tell every buyer with faith that their fish is not color fed .... Will you stop it here please. I respect you more if you can respect others opinions. This is a community section not a bullring...the world is much better if we can love and tolerate each others.
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I'm not jumping to conclusion at all and I'm very easy going and willing to assist people in any way I can.
Mario

[JimmyL]

Mario: Have a Merry Christmas and happy new year and hope your fish breed like guppies. Do you know what Jimmy L. stand for. I compete with my Chinese name in competition for the last 10 years..
Jimmy

[turkis]

Mario: Have a Merry Christmas and happy new year and hope your fish breed like guppies.
Jimmy


Jimmy,
The same to you and your family
Mario

[Upper Canada]

Jimmy,

As you know I am importing discus from Wayne Ng in China, and since I do not think you would knowingly want to cast dispersions against me or Wayne Ng, I would like to know specifically which breeders in China you say do not know how to ship fish to this cold country? I ask this as I have another rather large order due to arrive in the middle of next month ( January ) from Wayne Ng.

Furthermore your discussion about Chloramine-T as a Miracle drug to cure diseases which would enable Asian breeders to export their fish and flood the market and implying that China needs this as a way in to increase their market share in Canada is a real stretch and again perhaps you were not intending to paint all Chinese breeders with the same brush so please be specific.

Yes there are exporters in other countries whose fish can cause difficulties, ( a problem you and I had the mutual experience of having to deal with in early summer buying somewhere else ) but there are also a number of first class breeders whose fish are healthy and disease free, bred by individuals who are willing to put their worldwide reputations on the line every day, and whose discus bring years of pleasure to those who own them.

As such I ask that you not forget the negative aspects, non specific comments can have on those you are not trying to hurt.

Bob

__________________

[brewmaster15]

Well said Mario and Bob!

I agree with you both.

Jimmy,
I think much would be different in this thread if you didn't post so mysteriously about the people we are talking about and the meds, drugs and diseases. If something is important enough to bring up in a discussion, then I think you should disclose all that information or perhaps keep it confidential if it was meant to be that way.

also... I am really puzzled this... first you said...
Now A Malaysian breeder who breeds 90% of the world spotted fish recently patented his medication with his local government that can cure anything from external disease including velvet disease and black disease. He had challenged anyone can make his fish sick by mixing them with dead fish loaded with parasites which we called plague and also found the disease fighting property stays with the fish after it had been treated. Sounds like a Miracle drug but it's true accroding to a few who accepted that challenge. and now you say.....
Mario Mario....: You're jumping into conclusion again. The medication is the trade secret that create spots from a simple SS. not to cure sick fish. You can't find even one sick fish in this farm, you can't lie what you don't know. So that his sales manager can tell every buyer with faith that their fish is not color fed .... The new patterned meds. is an open challenge to buyers who can make his fish sick mixing his fish with any external disease..He doesn't have to hide in the middle of the night...Will you stop it here please. I respect you more if you can respect others opinions. This is a community section not a bullring...the world is much better if we can love and tolerate each others.
Jimmy


so which is it... a med that cures all... or a med that makes spots on common snakeskin ( something I can't believe is true..spots are genetic.) I think thats pretty well established.

Sorry if I seem confused... but I think most reading this are.

-al

[raglanroad]

Jimmy,

As you know I am importing discus from Wayne Ng in China, and since I do not think you would knowingly want to cast dispersions against me or Wayne Ng, I would like to know specifically which breeders in China you say do not know how to ship fish to this cold country? I ask this as I have another rather large order due to arrive in the middle of next month ( January ) from Wayne Ng.

Bob

__________________Hi, Bob. Wondering if you have any spotted fish such as eruptions , from Wayne, his fish, and if any have fry.
Dave

[Upper Canada]

Hello Dave,

Yes I do have some of Wayne's spotted discus here, Spotted Eruption F3, and some Spotted Eruption Grand Champion Baby. These later are only 4 1/2 inches, very young, and are not yet of spawning age. There are more comming in on the next order, including some White Eruptions, which may also be known in some circles as Cloud Leopards.

Bob,

Upper Canada Discus.

[Jason]

I find it funny and repulsive how rumours of new meds and wonder drugs create a buzz. hypochondria or is everyone having problems?
What ever happened to the idea of getting off the med merry-go-round? Proper use of meds through positive diagnosis? Proper quarantine methods?

"we need broodstock that hardly requires any medication because the fish have genetically aquired immune defenses against diseases"
dieter untergasser
"There is a task ahead for us breeders that requires expertise and a great deal of involvement and puts the improvement of bloodlines before profit."
dieter untergasser

"There is no chemical cure for making or keeping discus healthy, you will never
find discus health in a bottle or pill. Discus health comes from simple
common sense treatment of the fish. "
jim q
"Some people I know seem to think they are chemists and that unless their
fish are regularly exposed to some kind of chemical or antibiotic they are doing
their hobby wrong. In most cases all that would be required to produce and
have happy heathy discus is to make sure the quality of their water is the best
they can manage and the selection of food is considered next in importance to
water parameters."
jim q

Wormers and de-flukers will always be needed for discus imo/ime until we figure out how they get worms and how to break the fluke life cycle wich seems to have adapted so well to discus they use side-feeding as part of their life cycle.

I'm as guily as the next breeder for useing fish that are small, weak, poor shape and immune system in line breeding because it was the only good male/female from a spawn. or was the best patterned fish or whatever. so I can relate/understand why farms do that aswell. Especially with alot of resourses invested in the strain.
Just seems like doing that is going backwards and not progressing, chronic med use instead of good skilled husbandry.

what does the rest of canadian connection think about that?

[Tony_S]

what does the rest of canadian connection think about that?

I think you hit the nail on the head Jason! Good post!

ahhh Jimmy....The "James Bond" of the discus world. Whenever I read your posts I have this "vision" of you racing down a jagged faced mountain on ski's....Discus box strapped to your back....with the "discus world underlords" hot on your ***, throwing Pottasium Permanganate water ballons at you!! Wantin to "rub you out"!!!:bandana:

Dont EVER let em catch ya Jimmy.....you know TOO MUCH!!:scared:

LMAO!!:D

Tony

[JimmyL]

OK. You guys are so sensitive....
what are you gus afraid .... I don't understand??? I have said nothing about Wayne Ng. He has been shipping fish longer than anyone else in Hong Kong. He has no problem shipping. I've never mentioned Wayne. I know Wayne since 1980 and in fact I bought the first BD from time for $1,000 a piece that I'm still breeding. The importer who owe money is also listed the best 10 notorious importer in Asia that doesn't pay. You can find out from a discus magazine in Japan. Wayne is not the one, Dose it satify you Bob and discus police?????? There are many new up rising stars in China. One importer in Toronto recieved 50 boxes of 95% dead fish forzen to death on his last shipment. and this is not Wayne neither since you guys are so sensitive. That was his first shipment to Canada. Is that clear?????Please don't jump in conclusion. I'm not here to compete or put anyone down. The discus god or police please don't jump into conclusion. I guess people only want to discuss within their comfort zone. I have no part of it. that's why peopel who knows don't post here anymore..... I should do the same I guess...
Jimmy

[ronrca]

So....what is everyone doing in their Christmas holidays? Going somewhere nice? Staying with the family? How much holiday time do you get?

I get the whole week off between Christmas and New Year plus the 2nd of Januray. Im staying home this year. Hopefully I can get some more work done on my fishwork. My wife also wants the bathroom renovated...well, repainted anyways. :scared: What Im really looking forward to however is spending the days with my wife and son.

[Resinman]

Hey Jim I have to sit back and just have a good chuckle at some of the threads that happen here. I think the problem with internet forums is a perceptual thing. I understood what you where emplying with the shipment issue. I have received shipments from breeders in germany that were frozen on arrival. Sometimes it isn't so much a shipper experience problem as it is a airport worker taking a skid off a plane and leaving it on the tarmack issue. But there are a million different issues that can be involved in shipments going bad. But the point I would like to make to you all is the spirit of this forum. This isn't a compitition to see who is the best, brightest or most rightuous. This is a place to share knowledge and experiences. As far as I can see you were sharing some experience with us. I too have experienced this in the past. So guys stop taking this so personally. I think a reply with a positive experience can balance this conversation out and is far more appropiate. The others can weigh the information and form an opinion for themselves. But it seems I hear some personal attacks in the returns. This doesn't sit right with me personally. I sit and read allot of the threads in many of the forums and on the whole in my opinion Jim you contribute allot of helpful info to the rest of the group. Keep it up. If it helps you have atleast one guy that appreciates it..... Me :) Oh yeah and the guy that wants to through Pertassium Permaganate balloons at you ha ha ha.

Hey guys as for the topic of medications I have been experimneting with natural parasite herbs with my fish and having some success. What about the rest of you anyone tried. I just completed deworming an eruption with a product called Paraway I haved used on myself on a cleanse. He was in a 10 gallon tank for 7 days with the water looking like tea. The fish went from dark and not eating to colour back and coming the the front for food in about 4 days. I kept him there for 7 just to make sure the herb had a good chance to completely work. I am really excited at the prospect of not having to use pharmacuticals all the time.

Anyways. Been a pleasure once again :) Have fun kids and lets all get along :angel:

[Moon]

Ron
I am also off between Christmas and New Year. My wife has to work so I will be home doing some honey do things. I am expecting a shipment of wild Altums and L260 Ancistrous form Oliver this week. They will need settling in and some TLC during my time off. So I will be busy during the holidays.
Merry Christmas and happy new year to all.
Joe

[Glenn]

Hey Ron I have 3 weeks off so its time for lots of WC and some Xmas fun.

[April]

Glenn..come and groom dogs..and walk dogs in the rain!! im up to my ears in dogs . thats what im doing..making every dog in town beautiful for xmas with their big red ribbon in their hair.
and..while all my customers are in exotic places..im petsitting their dogs. waaa. lol.
oh..and Kerry..or yippy on simplys mother is here..from australia so i will be meeting her in a few days. by the way glenn..kerry sent you a shirt i think. so ill have to deliver it after xmas.

[raglanroad]

Hello Dave,

Yes I do have some of Wayne's spotted discus here, Spotted Eruption F3, and some Spotted Eruption Grand Champion Baby. These later are only 4 1/2 inches, very young, and are not yet of spawning age. There are more comming in on the next order, including some White Eruptions, which may also be known in some circles as Cloud Leopards.

Bob,

Upper Canada Discus.
Thanks Bob.
I was wondering what fry result from a pair of the Wayne spotted eruptions - has anyone here had babies from them and knows what the results are like?
Dave

[Suzanne]

How do you keep play sand in a discus tank clean? I think it looks fabulous,
but will the Python work with a sand base?

[April]

hi there..the stuff doesnt sink through the sand as easy..lays on top..so you can syphon carefully just above the sand..and it will come up into the python.

[Jason]

some people just suck up a bit of sand when they do w/c's, not a big deal if a little sand goes down the drain its cheap to replace

[ed8t]

I haven't used playsand in a Discus tank yet, but I hover the siphon about a half inch above the sand and when I swish it back and forth a bit, it's very easy to suck the debris up. I also have a team of Malaysian Trumpet Snails burrowing through the sand as my backup cleaning crew.

[big mak]

anyone in toronto want to adopt my baby discus? honestly they are in a 10 gallon tank rite now because of lack of money to buy a new tank.

anyways if anyone is intrested please call 416 880 7349 or visit this thread
http://forum.simplydiscus.com//showthread.php?t=46365

[emjhay]

anyone in toronto want to adopt my baby discus? honestly they are in a 10 gallon tank rite now because of lack of money to buy a new tank.

anyways if anyone is intrested please call 416 880 7349 or visit this thread
http://forum.simplydiscus.com//showthread.php?t=46365

im willing to adopt it..:)

[emjhay]

does any body here knows how muchus the S&H to canada from US.. cause i won the contest here and i dont know the policy here... im new here in canada that is why..

[Jason]

around $80 per box, plus gst, pst, and that new F'n! %15 excise tax.

[Moon]

Merry Christmas to all. Hope you got some fishy type presents. I got mine on Friday. 15 Altums arrived from Oliver. All doing well.

[Glenn]

Thats about right Jason that 15% sucks but its suppose to be reviewed in May.

[Jason]

Actually I hope it gets increased in May.

[turkis]

It should not be too much of a problem for the working people, for the retirees it will hit their pocket book badly.
Mario

[Jason]

It should not be too much of a problem for the working people, for the retirees it will hit their pocket book badly.
Mario

What about all the hard-working canadians who have losts their jobs, homes, and communites over the soft woods lumber dispute and free trade wich is what that excise tax is really about.

[turkis]

It should not be too much of a problem for the working people, for the retirees and the unemployed it will hit their pocket book badly.
Rephrased.
Mario

[Jason]

Thanks for the clarification Mario :-)

[emjhay]

im F*&^ then.... im a student/unemployed

[RiverCitiDiscusII]

Hello, I have a question for the Canadian Connection, Whatever happened to the North American Discus Society, which was based out of Canada?.................Al

[Suzanne]

I'm trying to find these 2 plants anywhere in Toronto - can someone help

Coffeefolia aka Anubias barteri v Coffeefolia

and Pennywort aka Hydrocotyle Leucocephala

[Timbo]

Whatever happened to the North American Discus Society, which was based out of Canada?.................Al

North American Discus Society
Dues: $18 U.S.; $20 Cdn; $25.75 other. Contact Bob Wilson, 6939 justine Dr, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L4T 1M4.

also, there's:
http://www.discusnada.org/

Tim

[Moon]

The last time I spoke to Bob he mentioned that he is still the president of NADS but I don't think it is active.

[Moon]

I'm trying to find these 2 plants anywhere in Toronto - can someone help

Coffeefolia aka Anubias barteri v Coffeefolia

and Pennywort aka Hydrocotyle Leucocephala

Try Jim Robinson at CKA and Dorothy Rhimer at the London Aquarium Society.

[Resinman]

North American Discus Society
Dues: $18 U.S.; $20 Cdn; $25.75 other. Contact Bob Wilson, 6939 justine Dr, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada L4T 1M4.

also, there's:
http://www.discusnada.org/

Tim

Got a question. I am a little curious. I used to be heavily involved with NADS. If it is inactive where is the money and what is being done with it? When I was involved there was a pretty good amount in the bank. I find places on the net where it is still listed and the dues are posted.

[Moon]

Got a question. I am a little curious. I used to be heavily involved with NADS. If it is inactive where is the money and what is being done with it? When I was involved there was a pretty good amount in the bank. I find places on the net where it is still listed and the dues are posted.

I'll give Bob a call and let you know.

[Suzanne]

found the plants online at Ottawa Aquatics - very nice selection there

[Jason]

found the plants online at Ottawa Aquatics - very nice selection there

If anyone is considering buy plants from Morrison@ ottawa aquatics please PM me before you send any money.

[ronrca]

Ive had my experiences with this site as well but that was years ago. Perhaps there are different ppl running it now though.

[Glenn]

Why are you guys messing with plants.

[ronrca]

mostly narcotics! :D

[Suzanne]

Because I have a planted tank!

[Glenn]

Suzanne come back from the dark side

[April]

lol Glenn.

[Jason]

Suzanne,

Don't let the green fool you, they are a gateway to the dark side.

We must bring balance to the force!

[Jason]

sorry guys! I've watched episode 3 three times since it came out on dvd.

and yes I am loser that plays with fish, video games, and sci-fi movies all day, In my own home.. not in my parent's basement though

[Suzanne]

Ok kids get in line! We're Canadians don't forget tolerance and good manners! Eh?

[April]

well..discus and plants doesnt equal natural. maybe sand..and roots hanging in at the back....where they live theres no plush green gardens. they hide in the roots..on the edges of the banks..and their bars disguise them . brown..and dark bars equals ..sand and roots..hanging down vertical.

[Jason]

Chris there is nothing natural about a planted discus tank as April said their enviroment is pretty barren. There is dead leaves on the river beds and any live plants under the water are floating on the surface or terrestrial plants that have been submerged after a flood. In most amazon biotopes the water is black, plants would'nt be able to get the sunlight they need if they grew underwater.

But hey after seeing pictures of discus in planted tanks or fanning eggs on the leaf of an amazon sword for years and years in the aquarium books we read its no wonder why people think that.

[jim_shedden]

I think my bare-bottom tank looks nicer than most real discus habitats. Especially the treasure chest that opens up when it gets full of bubbles.:)

jim

[Glenn]

Jim those treasure chests sure look cool do you also have one of those castles in your tank

[jim_shedden]

Glenn:
I don't have a castle but I do have the skull..........real cool......lol

jim

[Glenn]

Jim next time your in your LFS take a look at the day glow purple castles I know you will have to get one

[ed8t]

Whaaaat?? No one's into the diving deep sea divers anymore?

[Timbo]

baby blue Ogopogo's are still kewl tho apparently ;););)


http://forum.simplydiscus.com//showthread.php?t=46551

[jim_shedden]

i am on my way to the lfs

[wisesam]

Just want to hi to everyone here.
BTW.. I'm in the dark side too....:o

[jim_shedden]

Welcome Wisesam

[Glenn]

Hi Sam welcome to simply.

[ronrca]

Hi Sam! Glad to see another Canadian on Simplydiscus. I love to see pics of the 'dark' side tanks! ;)

[Jason]

Hi Sam, welcome

my favorites are the air-operated clam shells.

anyone wanna get some beers and go ogopogo hunting in the spring?

[ed8t]

Grab a keg or 2 - it helps your chances of seeing Ogopogo. Make it a 2 fer, start collecting mysis shrimp on the way back in.

[Glenn]

Thats what we need is a party when Jason gets out here. Party at Aprils

[April]

yes we will have a party. ill start rounding up discus people. just get driving jason..we are all tapping our foot now...
tap tap tap..
we can have a feast. bloodworms..bh..and onf1 . ok fine then ill find some more edible foods..for us to nibble.

[Jason]

oh oh you guys think thats a good idea?

[April]

why not jason? you gonna get out of control?? i can sick dogs on whoever does..

[ronrca]

Sweet! Perhaps at trip to Van is in order. Hmmmm! When are you planning this Jason? Ive got to save some money and prep the wife (the first will be the easiest). :D

[Glenn]

WOW see that Jason guys from out of town want to come to the party you must be famous

[April]

well..he wont be here till first week in february..then he has to get organized. maybe march . tell us when you can come roncra.

[cobaltblue]

maybe by then it will have stopped raining....ITs rained every day this year .....im thinking of releasing some of my fish into my front yard, add a heater and an airstone...viola....big tank. The river running through my yard is filtration enough....:p

[robust discus]

Ah, Edmontian...

[robust discus]

Good idea. You got my support.

[ronrca]

Welcome Robust! Where abouts in Alberta are you located?

Btw, are you a member of http://albertaaquatica.com/ as well?

[Jason]

where do you get the permits to fish for ogopogo's and mysis?

[Jason]

I'm pumped! http://www.ogopogoquest.com/sightings.htm

[ronrca]

Election day my friends! Get out there and vote. Its a privelage, a right to vote. Not everyone has this oppurunity to have some say, even if you think its so small, in the choice of leadership thanks to the freedom in our country which thousands of people died for (WWI, WWII). My pet peev is ppl complaining about this or that in gov't however dont bother voting. Every vote counts! :thumbsup:

[Jason]

very true my friend, very true!

I just came from the polls, get out there guys.

In the words of RUSH

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"

[ronrca]

So the election is over! Wow! Alberta voted 100% conservative. I cant understand however how some provinces still voted 100% liberal though. I dont get it. Liberal scandals and using my tax money to waste money but yet the 'poorer' (finanically) provinces vote liberal? Am I missing something?

Should be interesting what happens only I fear that the con. will not be able to do much with a minority gov't. Then ppl will point fingers indicating that con. dont do anything in terms of election promises however forget that they cant do much due to having their hands tied by a minority gov't.

Its time for a change anyhow!

[raglanroad]

So the election is over! Wow! Alberta voted 100% conservative. I cant understand however how some provinces still voted 100% liberal though. I dont get it. Liberal scandals and using my tax money to waste money but yet the 'poorer' (finanically) provinces vote liberal? Am I missing something?

Should be interesting what happens only I fear that the con. will not be able to do much with a minority gov't. Then ppl will point fingers indicating that con. dont do anything in terms of election promises however forget that they cant do much due to having their hands tied by a minority gov't.

Its time for a change anyhow!yeah, out west bad feelings outweigh the bad news of conservative sellouts.
Stealing funds is wrong, but selling the whole country down the river is worse. We had the conservative monster out here, and it ruined our schools, hospitals, water supply, infrastructure in general, and at the end, a false report showing everything was fine, but really billions in costs we still pay for. American firms brought in to do the dirty work of cutting programs.
Good cop bad cop game I call it, but who in their right mind asks for the bad cop?
D

[April]

harper said hed give 200 per preschooler for daycare..im gonna go get myself 10 kids..under 5 and open a daycare upstairs from my grooming shop..and then ill also get 200 or more a month child tax credit.. ill be rollin in dough. lol. 4 k a month from mr. harper.
forget discus..lol.

[raglanroad]

Well, at least he's not an ex-alcoholic crack addict like bushbaby, saving "democracy" for his buddies. He'll just sell us out to bushbaby.
Who was in government in Alberta when the Heritage Fund had the monkeybusiness anyway?
And it is a good thing to have the minority government excuses ready, they'll be needed in a few years.
Mulroooooney type sellouts were the reason the conservatives were wiped out across the country. New name, new face, tired old politics. Bingo, we have a winner.

[ronrca]

but selling the whole country down the river is worse. We had the conservative monster out here, and it ruined our schools, hospitals, water supply, infrastructure in general, and at the end, a false report showing everything was fine, but really billions in costs we still pay for. American firms brought in to do the dirty work of cutting programs.
Good cop bad cop game I call it, but who in their right mind asks for the bad cop?
D I dont understand what your saying Dave as that sounds like the liberals to me! :D In the last 12 years, whos has been cutting funds from schools and health, municipalities, taxing the poor, giving rich breaks, wasting my hard earned tax dollars for..........Quebec?, etc, etc. How about the awesome gun regristry? Is gun crimes up or down since its creation? Just some thoughts! ;)



harper said hed give 200 per preschooler for daycare..im gonna go get myself 10 kids..under 5 and open a daycare upstairs from my grooming shop..and then ill also get 200 or more a month child tax credit.. ill be rollin in dough. lol. 4 k a month from mr. harper.
forget discus..lol.

I thought that was Martin's promise and Harper wanted to actually give monies directly to the parents rather than daycare. The money intended for daycares would still be based on income which means it being a subside which is already in place for low income families. At the moment, its around $400/month btw. Plus April, you dont get the CTC because they are not your chilren and having 10 kids you exceed the adult/child ratio by 4 I believe (my wife operates a federally inspected dayhome btw).


Well, at least he's not an ex-alcoholic crack addict like bushbaby, saving "democracy" for his buddies. He'll just sell us out to bushbaby.
Who was in government in Alberta when the Heritage Fund had the monkeybusiness anyway?
Anyway, it is a good thing to have the minority government excuses ready, they'll be needed in a few years. Cant use the same comb for parties despite carrying the same name. Btw, I dont understand what is meant by 'He'll just sell us out to bushbaby'? Thoughts on how and expand!

[ronrca]

Another thing Id like to add is that I actually feel sorry for Martin. All the problems that he had to deal with came from Cretian. Cretian was smart enough to get out before the going got rough and he let Martin take all the heat for it. I think Martin would of done good except all of the corruption already taking place before his time.

Like in any party, there are always rotten apples. The longer the rotten apples are in the barrel, the more apples that will rot. Change is good sometimes.

[ronrca]

Mulroooooney type sellouts were the reason the conservatives were wiped out across the country. New name, new face, tired old politics. Bingo, we have a winner. Well, at the time Mulrony was in politics, I supported Reform. I didnt like the conservatives at that time either. Im not convinced its the same party as Mulrony's. He created GST! :whip: and who knows what else negatives (before my time being able to vote).

[jim_shedden]

Speaking of Quebec............I personally would like to see the Ottawa River our east coast. It sure would make it quicker for the Maritimers to get here:)
Seriously though........Canadians are such whinners.........we complain about language............give me a @#$%^&* break other countries should have our problems........I think the feds should give each Canadian a free trip to another part of the world just to see how good we have got it. It really pisses me off to hear freinds of mine complain about health care and the like...............open your eyes people........and then give your head a shake. If Quebec wants to leave........I think we should let them.......as long as they take 76.23% of our deficit (which is their portion) with them. I am sooooo tired of hearing Qubec cry "poor me, poor me". All my life I have been hearing this BS............let them go.......life goes on..........Ok........I'm done.:)

Jim

[ronrca]

Wow Jim! I agree 100%! :thumbsup: Matter a fact, I dont know if I can speak for most Albertans but everyone I have spoken to thinks the same way. :D And well said btw also! ;) Im a little scared with the Qb's 51 seats. iin order for Harper to stay in power, guess who he has to 'bow down' to. Arrrrgg! That means more favortism for Q. The country is divided already. Why not make it offical?


Btw, I think that if a party is to run in a federal election, they should have canditates running coast to coast also.

[jim_shedden]

ditto

What would happen if the PQ got a majority in Canada. That would be hilarious. We should have all voted for the PQ and bring this thing to a head.:)

So.....if Quebec gets their freedom from Canada........their biggest trading partner would probably be the US (next to Canada itself). The last time I checked the Americans were very much an English speaking country (at least business wise). Do you think that the US would learn French just so that they could have the honour of doing business with them?:):):):)
What I really don't understand is where their loyalties lie. During the WWII Quebec had the lowest number of volunteers (per capita) in all of Canada. Even when France was being invaded....Quebec'rs would not come to their rescue. Maybe they feel betrayed by France and held hostage by Canada. We are sooooo nasty.:)

Viva Quebec !!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim

[ronrca]

roflol! I would love to see Bush speaking french!

I wonder how long Quebec would last without federal funding and equalization monies.

[jim_shedden]

Ahhhhhhh...........French with a Texas drawl........I love it:).......eh:)

Jim

[April]

no..im gonna adopt 10. they will be mine..and yeah..hes gonna give it directly to me. the parent. : )
child tax credit and daycare allowance..im set. now to find my new kids.
maybe theres some from new orleans.
well..i know notin about quebecors..far removed here in bc..but i quite like frenchmen. : ) but mines not from quebec hes an acadian from N.B. : )

[jim_shedden]

April:
I love Quebec and the French culture. I just think that they are sheep. To be honest I think that the PQ has had some of the best politicians of our time. I wish Rene Levesque was a federalist.......the guy was amazing.
Come to think about it..........we are sheep as well......oooppsss:)
Jim

[ronrca]

lol! Adopt 10 under 5 years? Id love to see that! I think you will be liking dogs a lot more allsudden. lol
Im not sure if you can only have your own kids in your own daycare btw. Harper promised $200 per month per kid? Sweet!

[raglanroad]

I dont understand what your saying Dave as that sounds like the liberals to me! :D In the last 12 years, whos has been cutting funds from schools and health, municipalities, taxing the poor, giving rich breaks, wasting my hard earned tax dollars for..........Quebec?, etc, etc. How about the awesome gun regristry? Is gun crimes up or down since its creation? Just some thoughts! ;)




I thought that was Martin's promise and Harper wanted to actually give monies directly to the parents rather than daycare. The money intended for daycares would still be based on income which means it being a subside which is already in place for low income families. At the moment, its around $400/month btw. Plus April, you dont get the CTC because they are not your chilren and having 10 kids you exceed the adult/child ratio by 4 I believe (my wife operates a federally inspected dayhome btw).

Cant use the same comb for parties despite carrying the same name. Btw, I dont understand what is meant by 'He'll just sell us out to bushbaby'? Thoughts on how and expand!
Ron, as an example of sell outs that don't rate as theft, try this: the government in Ontario gets a huge whack of dough to help with housing for low cost. What do they do? They GIVE the money, no strings attached, to monster development companies, in the HOPE they will provide better housing thru stronger industry !
Are the conservatives different than liberals? not really, it is good cop bad cop, really the same crew.
How do you sell out a coujntry? easy - you sell out our childrens rights to our water, as an easy example.Gun registry? So what? a make work project. no big deal. It is not selling out our country.

[Suzanne]

I also feel quite badly for Paul Martin - he got screwed by Chretien!
The big prick from Shawinigan - my guess is he selfishly wanted to outdo Trudeau (# of years as PM) and personally screw Martin - so he stayed on for that last term - if he was truly a party man he would have stepped down after 2 terms and give Martin the reins
When is someone going to limit the Prime Ministers terms in office to 2 terms!?

However the reality is Mulroney screwed Kim Campbell in a much bigger way!
At least Martin isn't leaving his party in total shambles - they do have over 100 seats -

[ronrca]

try this: the government in Ontario gets a huge whack of dough to help with housing for low cost. What do they do? They GIVE the money, no strings attached, to monster development companies, in the HOPE they will provide better housing thru stronger industry !. Ic what you mean and agree with you btw. I dont think free money for anything is the answer at all. There may be some people that can take that sort of responsiblity however most people take advantage of those situations and line their own pockets first. This scenario is the same for every problem that the gov't hands out money such as health, such as first nations, etc. The motive isnt the bad thing, its how its handle which doesnt make sense. Comes down to accountability of those funds. Very good point Dave!



Are the conservatives different than liberals? not really, it is good cop bad cop, really the same crew.
How do you sell out a coujntry? easy - you sell out our childrens rights to our water, as an easy example. Unfortunately, I again agree with you. Unfortunate that politics have come to this. Of course where there is a person with actually honest intentations, they are slammed, flamed and take apart by the other politions and buarecrates (sp?) thus nothing changes. :(


Gun registry? So what? a make work project. no big deal. It is not selling out our country. I didnt mean that its selling out the country. No, its a waste of money that doesnt do anything. Why does the gov't need more 'make work projects' btw? They cant handle the ones they have already. Its rather interesting that the running a gov't costs have risen 50% or something over the last 12 years. Not even close in line with inflation. Perhaps thats the first place one should start cutting rather than in schools, hospitals, etc. ;)


I also feel quite badly for Paul Martin - he got screwed by Chretien!
The big prick from Shawinigan - my guess is he selfishly wanted to outdo Trudeau (# of years as PM) and personally screw Martin - so he stayed on for that last term - if he was truly a party man he would have stepped down after 2 terms and give Martin the reins
When is someone going to limit the Prime Ministers terms in office to 2 terms!?

However the reality is Mulroney screwed Kim Campbell in a much bigger way!
At least Martin isn't leaving his party in total shambles - they do have over 100 seats - :thumbsup: I agree with limiting PM's terms, absolutely. It did seem like personal revenge from Chretien somehow, doesnt it. I never liked him from the start.

Regarding Mulroney and Kim, their party lost it imo anyways even before Mulroney left so it was no surprise what happened. Imo, I didnt like Kim anyways.

[ronrca]

Another thought and question.

What do you guys think about proportional representation and changing the electoral system?

[raglanroad]

Ron, I used to like Jack Layton, but not after seeing the campaign. It is about positioning for him now, nothing else matters.
Voting for these guys is like answering the question " do you want to get hit in the mouth or the eye?"
There is only one person in the whole bunch who I think is trustworty, and that is Howard Hampton, at the provincial level. This guy spelled out why we would have electrical blackouts before it started to happen here.He was laughed at and ridiculed no end in the political circles...and when it proved to be true, well, we just forget about that come election time, and vote for these swine who link our power to the US , and they will be suing us for our water soon, if we should ever decide not to sell out.
Imagine if we charged $40/barrel or even $5 for water? to the US? Why not? it is indispensible.
Who sold the rights to Mountie representations? Who would do a thing like that?
Mulroooney, how much did he make out of suing Canada, when he was in up to the neck?
If all criminals had the backup to sue for 50 miilion, there would certainly be less prosecution of crime, wouldn't there?
Have you ever googled G Dubya Bush and cocaine? put 2 and 2 together with Bill Clinton's personal intervention to free the big coke dealer while he was Govnu. Might be all bogus, might NOT be. They had some court appearances for the elder Bush's personal pilot who spilled the beans, about the Noriega stuff, (and the switching of cartels he (bush )supported) but could not prosecute, because he was telling the truth.
Do we need any of these guys?
Check out the Skull and Bones club, the "casting away of dull" care hikjinks in Cali. yearly, and so on.
Now I feel better. Take it all with a grain of salt, I do, but there are some very clear indications these things are true, and there are some proofs on some of them.
They keep us busy thinking about abortion or gay marriage or gun registry while they do their dirty work.

Chretien choking the little protestor-that was a good one. : ) : ) and he didn't even have his wife with him for backup, with the owl statue.
D

[ronrca]

lol Dave! Ranting and raving as my boss would say. In certain regards, what people do or did with their personal life, thats their business and are responsibile for it. Just dont try to force it down my throat. As for running a province/country, show me that you can do something meaningful and I'll support you til the end. Its kind of you make me happy, I make you happy. Unfortunately, people become blind and forgetful when elections start. They fall for the 'promises' and dont realize that we are already getting what they are promising around the corner (liberals promises particular). I have not idea regarding Bush and etcs. Sometimes when people go looking for negatives, they will find them or make them up to make the news. This is increasingly becoming apparent in Canadian politics it seems. You hear of things that this learder did like 10+years ago. Sheesh! Give me a break. Sometimes people do change...maybe? Like you mention, take it with a grain of salt. We may never know the truth anyways and does it really matter?

Anyways, the question was about representation actually. lol

[raglanroad]

I say get Ted Nugent to come up here and register HIS vote personally . Blam ! Just kidding. Little cat scratch fever there. Nug is a moron with a gun.

Really, all he needs is to be forced to watch Charleton Heston movies.

[robust discus]

Hay, you are the closest member i found in edmonton.

[ronrca]

Hi! Where abouts are you located?

[RyanGSP]

Well I figure I may as well jump in.
My name is Ryan and I live in lethbridge alberta. I am moving to Taber in April and will be setting up a planted discus tank with a pair of rams and a small school or cardinal tetras.

In my spare time I enjoy upland hunting and doing hunt tests with my setter and soon to be German Shorthair Pointer.

Ive been cruising the forum for about 2 weeks now and have stumbled upon this thread. I am looking for a good canadian breed of Angels, BD discus, RT and Snow Whites. Any help would be great.

[Ax]

Check with Barb Newell, she has all you asked for, most of my fish is from her stock, and they are great (because they had great start) . I was there last September, it was something...
Check this thread for it...
http://forum.simplydiscus.com//showthread.php?t=45464

to see some of my fish check this link
http://saskatoonaquarium.com/gallery/AMorgun

Cheers,
Alex (Ax)

[ronrca]

Hi Ryan and a big Alberta welcome to Simplydiscus! :thumbups:

[April]

theres also superiordiscus.com... hes now in vancouver..in about a month..he will have all those im sure. he ships. angels included. : )
welcome to simply. therse a few albertans now.

[RyanGSP]

Cool thanks guys I didnt think there was this many of us canadian let alone albertans. I got my first Discus today. I have him in a 20 H with 2 sponge filters. He has a 5 inch silver arrowana and 7 neons with him.

Thanks for the sites guys I will be checking them out.

Ax them are some nice fish.

[Vince+Carrie]

Hey all! We're from Calgary, so add another Albertan to the list!

We'll have to try ordering from some of the Canadian sponsers on here. The discus at the fish stores around town are usually pretty sad. Or if they are half decent, they ask $300 for them!! :p

[Moon]

Cool thanks guys I didnt think there was this many of us canadian let alone albertans. I got my first Discus today. I have him in a 20 H with 2 sponge filters. He has a 5 inch silver arrowana and 7 neons with him.

Thanks for the sites guys I will be checking them out.

Ax them are some nice fish.

Your noens won't last long with the arrowana in the tank.

[RyanGSP]

My arrowana is just little too small right now.

Vince+Carrie i know what u mean. I really like Riverfront and love their wilds but like you said they are too expensive. I payed 30 bucks for my Wild Brown.

[jim_shedden]

Boy...............the Canadians are awefully quite these days. Where is everyone?

Jim

[April]

im here..or rather..im in aussie post posting. : )

[Timbo]

Boy...............the Canadians are awefully quite these days. Where is everyone?




well its no [edited for profanity] wonder where i've been. But everything I [edited for profanity] post gets ...well lets just say, amended for the common good ;)

Timbo:
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you'd think i'd [edited for profanity] well learn wouldnt ya. I guess my last gf (that [edited for profanity] !!) was right, I guess I am an [edited for profanity]

[dandestroy]

hello all fellow Canadian, I'm like that french connection of your Canadian connection.

I'm in Québec city, just started in the discus world...already made million with it (million of friend that is ;) )

If I had started in discus a while ago, I would have used all my travelling time outside Qc to visit fellow canadian member...guess I'm goint to have to travel that wondefull country again.

take care all

[yeomans]

Had to jump in on this thread and say hello to the fellow Canadians out there, before I found this site I didn't think that there was this many people in Canada who are addicted to discus just like me. How many people on simply are from Atlantic Canada? There must be a few of you.
josh

[freddelafuente@gmail.com]

Hi Folks,

Im new to discus and would like to know if you know a local breeder here in edmonton.

Thanks,

[RyanGSP]

Well Im back. Got caught up in a new a new Shorthair puppy and had my hands full. I did find enough time to buy a new aquarium though :D . I bought a 67 gallon (48*18*18) with a center overflow and a 1" bulkhead. So I am basically able to do anything.

I have decided to go with a planted tank now that pup is starting to get more independant.

Hope to get the same help that you guys gave me before and maybe even get some discus off you guys.

What about getting some faces posted.

Here is me with my hunting party. Bailey (6 year old Irish Setter) and Diego (7 month old German Shorthaired Pointer he was 5 months in the picture)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/Ryan_GSP/100_1127.jpg

[cobaltblue]

Adam , this is a cool thread to read for fellow canadians.

[westsidediscus]

hi all, im in windsor ontario I have 12 tanks filled some have angels and some have discus and one had bn plecos, I love the discus from canada discus she is great, our tanks range from 10 gal to 100 gal, alot of water changes by hand i have no python yet hehe. Any one can hit me up at westsidediscus@yahoo.ca i love to talk and learn about discus.
thanks all
marc

[Dave and Diane]

Hello good day,

We are in Winnipeg, Canada for the moment. It is so nice to see so many others from Canada. We should be heading back to Ontario in the next 6 months.


Cheers

[DMC]

Hello,

I'm a new Canadian member but have been using Simply Discus as a knowledgeable source for a couple of years now. Looking forward to learning more.

My family and I enjoy Discus keeping very much and look forward to many more years.

In my opinion there's no other fish ;)

DMC

[wayne29]

Pickering here!

Hi All

[Adam Robinson]

Hey Guyz Sudbury ontario here orginally from windsor and now living in the great white north........I got a great guy for fish up here and if you need help with anything let me know adam_robinson83@hotmail.com

[wolvy]

Steve here in Hamilton Ont just getting back into the hobby after 9 years out aka wolvy on posts great idea this page

[jim_shedden]

Canada rocks............I am still up in Sudbury..........great to see everyone

jim

[Moon]

Steve here in Hamilton Ont just getting back into the hobby after 9 years out aka wolvy on posts great idea this page

Steve
Why not drop by the Hamilton fish club? HDAS.CA. We meet ever second Thursday of the month. Not too many discus keepers though.

[jim_shedden]

Moon:
Please keep me in loop on the club. I am "in the south" usually every week. I would enjoy visiting.

Jim

[archtopnb1]

Hello Canadian Discus Lovers. My name is Daryl and I live in New Brunswick. A few years back I had a Discus tank but was not to successful at it as I did not have all the info on how to set up and maintain a Discus aquqrium. Well after walking away from my hobby I do have the bug again but want to get all the info I need to set up and maintain an aquarium with lots of live plants and of course Discus. Want to start with an acrylic 96x30x30. Have I already gone in the wrong direction. I need to know with a tank this size will it be costly to maintain and set up. What would be the best set up for such an adventure, filters, lighting ,uv, o2, test klits the whole works. I need as much info as I can get. mile_hi2000@yahoo.com

[Katie217]

Hey Im from Penticton BC, bout an hour south of Kelowna...Anyone live near me, lemme know, cause I wanna know where u get your discus hahahaha :D

[MINIATUS]

Hello My name is Alan aka MINIATUS on most Reef boards. Im new here and this is MY first post. Im from St Thomas, Ontario. Glad to see lots of Timmies fans here.
Im just in the process of setting up My first planted/Discus tank. Once I find My Camera and figure out a few things I will discribe the new setup.
Nice to meet you all.

Alan aka MINIATUS:wave: :coffee:

[April]

heh all you canadians..especailly the ontarians..anyone know this person whos selling discus in canada ? he says its a group of breeders who are selling. someone in vancouver is buying from them..so curious...
http://canadiandiscus1.tripod.com/
oh..and welcome to the new canucks. katie..and miniatus. :wave:

[traco]

I think I remember reading about this guy on BC Aquaria? The person posting about him wasn't too happy, if I recall (but don't quote me:) )

[April]

whats your name on bcaquaria barb? mines april. lol. (eye rolling emoticon) someones buying from him now..first group were dead via purolator..next batch is on the way. i posted...im sure hes collecting from other sellers or importing. figured someone here would have heard of him. there is a group of hobbyists in ontario who trade fish back and forth though..

[traco]

whats your name on bcaquaria barb? mines april. lol. (eye rolling emoticon) someones buying from him now..first group were dead via purolator..next batch is on the way. i posted...im sure hes collecting from other sellers or importing. figured someone here would have heard of him. there is a group of hobbyists in ontario who trade fish back and forth though..

I'm just as bad as you, I'm traco over there! lol:p Yes, I had read about the lost discus with Purolator, what a shame to have fish die due to late shipments, lost, etc....

[jim_shedden]

I will look into it April.
On his web-site it shows what appears to be a high-fin bd. There are not too many people that breed them here....just one comes to mind. I will find out.

Jim

[RedneckDaveAb]

39, m, Calgary Alberta Here!

Member of Calgary Aquarium Society and we are fish enthusiasts! We travel far and wide to add to our "discus family" and loving every minute of it.

In the next few weeks we will be travelling to the Okanagan and Lower Mainland of BC in search of the perfect specimen!

Remember: Fish aren't work! They are a labour of love!

Dave :)

[April]

well..if you are coming to the lower mainland..stop in and check my not so perfect specimens out. : ) ill never say mine are the perfect ones..but i have a few nice ones i like. i have a few fish anyhow..perfect or not so perfect. that will be your judgement.
what kind of fish are you looking for? discus or lots of kinds of fish?

anyhow..if you are in vancouver ...and you want to see discus contact me.