Eggs turning WHITE

[wiseone]

this is the 5th time same thing had happened, after exact 36 hrs eggs start turning white.

What can b the problem????

[wiseone]

Female laying eggs

[wiseone]

Male running over it

[doron]

how old r they ?
what r the water par' ?

[wiseone]

more than 16 months old

pH 7.6

[doron]

what is your conductivity ?
if it very higf it can be the problem ...

[RyanH]

Are they in straight tap? Could be too hard for the eggs to be fertilized.

[Carol_Roberts]

Hardness may be the culprit. Either call your water company and ask about hardness or get an Aquarium Pharmaceuticals GH test kit. If it takes more than 6 drops to turn the water green you will need to look into an RO unit.

[hexed]

Hi,
I have the same problem, but hopefully the next batch will not turn white. My problem was hardness. It took a lot of drops to turn the water green. DO NOT add anything to your water except novaqua to remove chlorine. I was adding too much salt and my water was salty and I added plant food as well. They should lay again within 4-7 days as mine do. My thread is "breeding in a 55 gallon tank"
Be sure your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate is zero. As my new friend Carol has told me over and over again, it can take up to 20 times before they get it right LOL. Again, listen to Carol, she's the best! My female should be laying eggs tonight she's ready and her egg tube (don't know what it's called) is out about a quarter inch. Today I will do a quick water change. Do you have a bare bottom tank or do you have substrate?

[hexed]

Sorry, I just noticed the pics LOL Are you adding plant food? Plant food will harden your water. What I did was place tap water into a glass add an air hose and let it be until the next day. Then I tested it for GH and my tap water was 3 drops. If this is the case then do water changes every other day until the hardness is between 3-6 drops. If you want to talk I can do it anytime after 9pm EST. Just email me your number - It's free for me after 9pm ::) And I can tell you what I did to my planted tank.
Frank

[wiseone]

Well it's not a planted tank its just a wallpaper. My tank is a bare bottom which consists of
1 - 150w heater,
1 - Sponge filter, cleaned every 15-20days with the tank water itself.

Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate = 0

For Hardness i hafta get a testing kit. Honestly never tested.

I use aged water, no aeration nothing jst leave the water in a tub for 12hrs with 2 drops of anti-chlorine that's it. Then do water change 50% daily. That's my daily routine. Shld I aerate the water? Will that help me in bringing down the Hardness if its 2 high? ???

I do water change 2-3hrs before they lay eggs.

No water change, once I see eggs on the PVC pipe. Only one time feeding with very lil frozen bloodworm.

My BD pairs lay eggs on every 7th day. I believe on 9th Feb. they shld lay eggs again. Hope I can save them this time. ::)

Here is an updated image jst took (15mins ago).

Yesterday nite i noticed few eggs were orange/red in color with 2 black dots on both sides, something like 2 eyes of the babies but unfortunately they all turned white his morning. : (

Will I ever be able 2 c the babies in this life...

[Carol_Roberts]

If your water is too hard you will havae to mix mineral free (RO or distilled) water with it so the eggs can hatch.

[wiseone]

is there ne other way 2 play with gH??? Coz R/O is very expensive in india, its costing me around INR 15k.

[brewmaster15]

HI,
First I would aerate that water... sitting unagitated may not be getting rid of all the chlorine.. Its good you are using a dechlorinator though... You may need more of it.

The hardness... If you age and aerate that water over night.. whats the pH? pH is related to hardness...so they help you figure out better how hard the water is.

can you get spahgnum peat moss? It can be added to a filter to lower the hardness.

-al

[wiseone]

my pH 7.6

i havnt tried over nite aeration will try that!

what is 'spahgnum peat moss'???

[wiseone]

hi

1. i got a electronic conductivity & tds meter 2day, it reads range approx. 1990 - 10ppm. did i got the proper 1???

2. my gH = 12ppm (do i need 2 reduce it)????

3. can i use water from 'Water Ionizer' or 'UV' system???




If your water is too hard you will havae to mix mineral free (RO or distilled) water with it so the eggs can hatch.

[Carol_Roberts]

. i got a electronic conductivity & tds meter 2day, it reads range approx. 1990 - 10ppm. did i got the proper 1???tds meters read everything disolved in your tank

2. my gH = 12ppm (do i need 2 reduce it)???? Yes, your water is like mine - too hard for eggs to hatch. You will need to mix RO water for the breeding tank only during the time you expect (and want) them to breed.

3. can i use water from 'Water Ionizer' or 'UV' system??? I don't know what a water ionizer is. UV does not remove minerals. You can buy the Tap Water Filter by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. The resins are quickly exhausted, but it may work for you for one spawn. Otherwise RO is the cheapest way to go - check with RandalB

[wiseone]

Thnx alot Carol.

Well, i was playing with my pH & gH testing kit n discovered that my direct tap water reads pH = 8.5 & gH = 05 ppm.

When i added 1 drop of anti-chlorine to 4 gallon of water, gH was 25ppm ???

What i thought was i will aerate the water for 10-12 hrs. By Doing this i dont hafta add ne anti-chlorine. Hence, my gH will stay somewhere between 5-6ppm. what u think????

how much max. gH & pH is ok for spawning?

[wiseone]

Got the answer for gH from one of ur post


"You should get good hatches between GH 3 and 6 or 50 - 100 ppm" - Carol Roberts

http://forum.simplydiscus.com//index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=16147

[wiseone]

After aeration for 18hrs I did a large water chng yesterday nite n cleaned my sponge filter, now my gH reads 7ppm & pH = 7.8

My Babies gonna lay eggs 2nite or 2morrow nite. Hope i can bring down my 5ppm...

[Carol_Roberts]

I just reread your post and wonder if we are measuring two different ways. I'm talking about drops of reagent (from the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals test kit) when I say keep your GH between 3 and 6.

For tds you want 50 - 100. IF lower the water will be so devoid of minerals the pH may crash .

If the water is as soft as the numbers above the pH should not matter for domestics

[wiseone]

Opps that was my reading fault my TDS is around 70ppm i believe hardness shldnt b the problem this time then!

thnx alot Carol & hexed, i'll keep u guys updating!

[wiseone]

yesterday nite (8:45pm) update

now my gH reads 70ppm & pH reads 7.6

hope they hatch this time

[Carol_Roberts]

If they don't hatch you can't blame the water, your numbers are good.

[hexed]

Wiseone,
Keep us updated I really hope they hatch. Carol is the BOMB! She's so nice and full of information and she's here sharing it for free. Now if I can only get her to come over my house and explain everything to my male discus maybe he'll start doing what he needs to do LOL! ;D

[wiseone]

Update:
After 40hrs

Total eggs 300-350

30-50 eggs turn white in color (kinda hairy aound the eggs), dont know wat it is, may be fungus. Few are transparent and rest turned dark orange/brown.

I c some strange behavious with my pair this time they r not eating the white (fungus) eggs i dont know y??? ne comments (Carol)????

Hope they hatch this time!

thnx guys

[Carol_Roberts]

White is dead, hairy is fungus, golden brown after 40 hours is unfertilized :-\

[wiseone]

Update:
After 48hrs

Total Eggs 250-300
Few eggs on the floor.
Total eggs hatched = 10 eggs

I saw very cute tiny fry with very tiny vibrating tail it was so cute... Rest of the eggs were full of fungus n turned white.

After sometime Male started hitting female (dont knw the reason y) n started fighting. Then i left them alone n went 2 bed. In the morning when i came back :'( there were no eggs nor babies :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Male n female r still fighting. What can be the reason ???

i hafta wait for next 7-10 days again hoping next time they will get it right n this time i will pull the male out, few hrs b4 the eggs hatch. wt u think carol?? shld i do that??? or pull the female?????

thnx a lot carol, this time i m felling lil better coz the eggs actually hatched.

[Carol_Roberts]

Congratulations! you have a confirmed pair. :thumbsup:

Let them practise a few more times. IF you pull one parent next time and loose the spawn it may take weeks for them to pair back up. IF they are still eating them in a few weeks then think of pulling the female.

[wiseone]

thnx alot Carol without ur & 'Hexed' help i might hav never reached till here. thnx alot once again guys! i will update u guys when they lay eggs again in next 7-10days till then enj;)y

SimplyDiscus Rulzzzzzzzzzz

[wiseone]

Hey Hexed wats ur update???? did u finally got some VIAGRA for ur male???? Did he do the job???? eager 2 hear from u buddy...

I hav learned few things since i started breeding Discus:
1. Have lots n lots n lots of Patience
2. Keep trying

[hexed]

Not yet :(
The female is sick as I stated under my thread, but she seems to be getting better I hope :-\
My male seems to be pushing her into the bubble streams to "wash" of the oozing slim coat. Will be doing another water change tomorrow hopefully Ii can get the bacteria out for good. ;D

[wiseone]

aaaaaaaahhhh! Slime coat

[wiseone]

Hi Carol, Since 3 days male has become aggressive he keeps on hitting/pushing female, day n night... What can be possible reason for this kinda behaviors???? is this normal????

[Carol_Roberts]

I bet he is wanting her to spawn - watch to make sure he does not get too mean - if he does try a divider

[wiseone]

Thnx Carol, yesterday after 50% wc and feeding live bloodworm he is lil calm now. 1-2days she will lay again i guess.

thnx

[wiseone]

2day is the 9th day since they laid eggs last time no sign of pvc cleaning nor body shaking i dont know wats wrng with female???? They spawn on every 7th day but now not a single sign! Carol ne advise????

thnx

Water Para
--------------
pH => 7.8
gH => 60ppm
N, N, A => 0
Temp => 86 F
w/c => 50% daily

[Carol_Roberts]

Maybe just off cycle a little - wait and see

[wiseone]

if that the only choice i got then i will wait... ;)

thnx carol

[wiseone]

Male started showing attitude 2day, he b'cam 2 hard on her after I did water change, he started hitting her 2 hard I could not jst watch it. So, I put a glass divider in between them. But Carol I don't think they r happy with it! Both of them are constantly hitting the glass. Like they want 2 break free! Wat shld I do?? Wat I did was rite???? Shld I leave the divider or shld I remove it????

thnx

[Carol_Roberts]

You'll just have to try both and see which is best for you. Take it out - if he gets too pushy again put it back.

[wiseone]

ok thankx alot

[wiseone]

Is it possible female does dry-run n not lay egg? yesterday @ 10pm female starting shaking her body so i removed the glass divider. Did water chng both of them started cleaning the pipe female even did 4-5 dry-run. After sometime they again started cleaning the pipe it went till 4am. i was feeling sleepy so i went 2 bed hoping that everything will go fine but in the morning when i was back, no eggs!!! Eggs r not on the floor either so i believe they didnt eat it! Where r the eggs????

Do u think she will lay 2nite??? thnx

[Carol_Roberts]

They may have eaten all the eggs. You'll just have to see how long she waits to lay again.

[wiseone]

thnk god! they didnt lay yesterday nite, they started cleaning the pvc pipe again 2day after i did water chng @ 8pm i waited till 12:30am but she didnt lay ne eggs. I m going 2 bed now lets c if there r ne eggs 2morow morning!!!

will update u. thnx Carol

[wiseone]

After 18 never ending days i finally saw some action in my tank! Female laid today @ 8:10pm [IST]. Male did his job well. ;D

Water Para:
pH => 7.9
gH =>70ppm
N, N, A => 0
W. Temp => 83 F

r the numbers ok, Carol! i dont know y my current pH reads 7.9 ??? Is this gonna give me problem????

Thnx

[Carol_Roberts]

Most important number is GH =70 ppm. If male is fertile you should get fry. My fingers are crossed for you ;D

[hexed]

My fingers are crossed as well!
Show me the BABIES! ;D

[wiseone]

Update: After 24hrs

Total Eggs : 400-450 approx.
No white eggs till now.
Parents still fanning.


Thnx Carol & Hexed...

[wiseone]

Update: After 41hrs

Total Eggs : 400-450 approx.
5 turned white eggs till now. 20-25eggs on the floor strange i dont know how they went down???
Rest turned dark almost like black.
Parents still fanning.

pH => 7.9
gH => 60ppm
N,N,A => 0
Temp => 86F

[daninthesand]

Can you see eyes in those black eggs? It looks like things are going well. Good luck!

Daniel

[wiseone]

ya can c the eyes! thnx daninthesand

[Carol_Roberts]

:thumbsup:

[hexed]

Wise,
That's GREAT news! I hope they all live!
Mine keep laying and they keep eating them. Next week I'm putting them in a bare bottom tank and see what happens. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[wiseone]

Good/Bad News!

Update: After 50hrs
Good News!
Yesterday Night around 300-350 eggs hatched. i watched them for 4-5hrs. Female was very busy cleaning the babies and putting them back again on the PVC pipe. Male seems to be not bothered abt nething. Roaming here and there, pushing the female (sometimes). Then they started fighting like last time! I left them, went 2 bed...


Update: After 60hrs
Bad News!
Morning nothing left! all disappeared!

Sorry Carol & Hexed I giv up!

Thnx guys!

[hexed]

DON'T GIVE UP! :furious:
You are getting closer, next time try putting a divider in the tank so the male doesn't attack the female. Carol, need some help here! At least you now know that both will produce, unlike mine who crave caviar. At least you are working out each problem and before you know it you will have the babies you determined to get. Don't give up though, you are farther along then I am :-[
I would love to at least see the babies hatch and if the male eats them, then I will know this for next time and will put in a divider. But I will keep trying until I get it right. Now repeat after me: I will not give up, I will not give up. Louder I cannot hear you. I will not give up! ;D

[Kevin11d]

Hi guys:
When Carol said the eggs that turned white is dead but what is the cause for those eggs to be dead. Could it be the female is not mature enough to produce the eggs?
Every time my young females laid eggs, almost 70% of them turned white. There's no hairy stuff on them!!
It's driving me crazy!!!! ??? ???

Kevin

[Kevin11d]

By the way, here are the parameters.

ph: 6-6.2
gh: 70 ppm
Kh: 6
Temp:30

Kevin

[wiseone]

Hexed & Carol i m back on business again! with 3 quick questions.

1. What's the reason of fighting?
2. Why pull only female??? y not male!
3. Shld i put her/him in another tank or use divider!

thnx



Congratulations! you have a confirmed pair. :thumbsup:

Let them practise a few more times. IF you pull one parent next time and loose the spawn it may take weeks for them to pair back up. IF they are still eating them in a few weeks then think of pulling the female.

[Carol_Roberts]

All eggs that do not hatch will turn white and die over time. If they turn white early they probably are not fertilized. Some eggs are laid white. Too old females have less viable eggs.

1. What's the reason of fighting? female wants to spawn again or fighting over control of babies
2. Why pull only female??? y not male! male usually better parent, but not always - use your own judgment
3. Shld i put her/him in another tank or use divider! try divider first

[Texmex_discus]

Need to lower your PH about 6.3 or 6.4 at least ( I have mine 5.8) I get a rate of 80% eggs hatch....If you can buy water from the store (big purified water 4g) mix this with 50% of tap declorinated water that would do the trick. peat moss is used mostly for gardenning purposes they sell it where they sell plants ( use one that doesn't have fertilizers or additives that may harm your fish...the best is from canada) or if you want to be on the safe side the Brand SERA ( aquarium supplies) carries some pellets of peat moss you use this in your filter that would help you lower the PH and eventually lower the hardness of your water..and do lots of water change so you keep bacteria built up down.... no live foods while theirs eggs to be hatch....

[wiseone]

Hi Carol, i m planning to buy RO in a week or 2. Which 1 i shld go for??? 2 stage, 3stage or 5stage??? whats the diffrnt between them and which 1 u using??? 50 gal per day will be enough for me??? i got around 6 pair (confrm male/female) they r in 18x18x18 inch sized tanks!

thnx

[Carol_Roberts]

Go the the water section and ask RandalB. He know lots more about RO than I do. My RO has a string, and carbon filter prior to the RO membrane.

[Texmex_discus]

50gl is ok better 100gl the difference will depend how much water you need (how many pair I deal with one 10g an it's enough for me because it comes a lot cheaper taking my bottles to the grocery store and fill them up with UV RO water it cost me a $1.40us for 20gl and it last me for a week
you can start for the money wise with 35gl then if you have more than 1 pair you can change the membrane for a 50gl or even a 100gl ( you would need to change it after 2 years aprox) for the difference of stages first you need one that clear the water of any particles that might have your water supply ( mostly you use any kind of fiber cartridge) the second stage need granulated or block carbon cartridge to eliminate any chemical or metal that might be in WS) then comes your RO unit then your deposit where you'll have your water storage ready to use...Some include after the carbon unit a softener cartridges that you'll have to recharge it every 24 hours ( it's a hustle if you tell me) but you'll see that just having this you'll find out that your water will be quite fine...but if you want to save you a bit of money ( here and RO unit cost around $600.00us I would go for the purified water that you can buy in stores... and see if that works for you and if it does THEN buy you a small unit..

[wiseone]

thnx Texmex_discus

[RandalB]

In order to determine what RO unit you need, or if you need one, You need to find out the amount of total dissolved solids in your water. That will determine how many stages you need. I normally recommend 3 stage for most municipal tap water and 3-5 stage for well water depending on the TDS. For drinking water purposes, I reccomend 5 stage.

In order to decide what GPD you need, you have to figure out how much water you are going to need. Also take into consideration that most RO units will NOT produce the rated GPD due to colder water, Lower pressure or Higher TDS of the feed water.

Take a trip to the SimplyDiscus.com library and the Water works section. There are a bunch of informative threads that will explain all you need to know about RO units and their performance.

RandalB

[wiseone]

thnx RandalB

[wiseone]

Hi Carol, i dont know y they hav stopped laying eggs.. its been 15 days no sign of body shaking or pipe cleaning! they used 2 lay in every 7th day! :'(

I tried ice trick & water change but no sign of spawning! wat shld i do now???

[wiseone]

Hi Carol, finally after 30 days they spawned again! I m gonna more the female to another tank on the 2nd day before the eggs hatch. Hope this workout.

Water Para:
Temp: 82 F
TDS : 90ppm
pH : 7.1
N,N,A : 0

thnx

[Carol_Roberts]

I hope it works for you ;D

[wiseone]

2day they will hatch hope it works!

thnx

[wiseone]

Only 50% of the eggs hatched rest turned white. Parents shifted the wriggles behind. Till now everything seems fine. Doing 35% water change everyday.
Carol things are smoothly, they aint fighting. I'll update you after 24 hrs. Thnx

[Carol_Roberts]

:thumbsup:

[wiseone]

Only 25 fry made it....

Freely Swimming now... jst waiting 4 them to attach...

thnx

[hexed]

Wiseone,
That's more then I got LOL ::)
I removed my pair from my 55 gallon tank with sand bottom into a bare bottom 29 gallon tank and they stopped breeding. After a few weeks I put them back into the 55 gallon and they started the discus dancing, I put them back in the 29 gallon and nothing - not even a shimmer ???
I placed them back into the 55 gallon last night and they are back to dancing tonight. Go figure that one? Now if he does nothing to the eggs I will get another male. :P

[wiseone]

its time 2 giv him a break!!!

[wiseone]

Hi Carol New Problem emerged now >:(

i think 'no mucus' on parents body!!! this is the 2nd time fry r not attaching to their body!!!! wat shld i do?????? 2day is the 2nd day free swimmer!!!!!!

thnx

[Carol_Roberts]

Lower water level, turn down (or even off for a few hours) sponge filter.

Are discus turning dark to attract babies?

[wiseone]

ya very dark almost black!

My sponge filter is black in color can that be a problem but the fry r not even attached 2 the sponge filter!!!

pls help thnx

[susankay1]

If you can get some knee high white hose,like nurses wear, cut the toe out of one of them and slip it over the sponge, it helps to disguise it from the babies. I would start putting a tiny amount of bbs in the tank, you might save a few of the babies that way. I had a huge spawn of pigeonbloods and they ended up with one parent ( through fighting) so I had to supliment their diet with bbs very early. They started eating them at day 3. Most survived. HTH

[Carol_Roberts]

It is common for them to take a day or two to attach. IF the parents are almost black and the fry are not attaching to the sponge filter, then the parents should be rounding them up soon . . . maybe just inexperience . . .are they with the parents today?

[wiseone]

i lowered the water level almost 40%. Full bright light on black sponge filter side within 30mins all the fry started attaching!!! thnx alot Carol ur tip help me big time!!!!

ne more add-on tips????

thnx

[wiseone]

one more click

[wiseone]

Day #1

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[wiseone]

click 2

[hexed]

CONGRATULATIONS! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Great pics and shows a beautiful story of what happens when you do not give up ;D
Please keep us posted on how they are doing.
All the hard work and waiting paid off for you.
What kind of discus are they?

[wiseone]

They r blue diamond

Male approx. 6"
Female approx. 4.5"

really it was worth trying again n again n again n again lol...

thnx alot to Carol, u (hexed) and all the ppl involved in this operation... ;D

btw wats abt ur pair??? ne progress????

[Dkarc@Aol.com]

Congrats on your fry! You can start adding small amounts of BBS in 4-5 days.


-Ryan

[Carol_Roberts]

:thumbsup:

[wiseone]

thnx 'Dkarc@Aol.com' for the tip!

Day 2 #1

[wiseone]

#2

[doron]

hey wiseone

i had just finish reading all the post's on this subj'
& have only 1 thing to say ........ WOW

i'm in your situetion now ( they laid every 9 day but eat them ....)

your story incoreg me to not give up

and again .....W O W ....

doron

[hexed]

wise-
mine are doing the same, laying and eating LOL
The male seems to be more into it this time, he's actually cleaning the cone and he's not leaving the female's side so lets see if he fertilizes the eggs this time. Would be cool if mine had babies too and we both can brag about it LOL

[wiseone]

Never giv up credit goes to 'Hexed' he constantly chased me for a week with the same line 'NEVER GIV UP' so i started again.

Constant 'Xperiment/trying new things' credit goes to 'Carol' without her help i might hav not reached so far.

Doron : if u having the same problem like mine y don’t u do exactly wat I did. Might help u (hope it does), if not we always hav Carol ;) REMEMBER: in my post i mentioned 'i got my RO' but till now i didnt use it. It happened without RO water. So dont waste ur money on RO like i did. Try with ur tap water 1st, if nothing helps then u can think abt RO.

Hexed: u told me u will b changing ur male, it didn’t help???? Hope to c fry in ur tanks as well!!!

Carol: Fry are doing well. Mom and dad r busy xchnging fry every 8-10mins interval. I do wc twice (afternoon @ 1 & even @ 9) 50% each time. Shld i increase it 75%??? Already started wiping the sides of the tank.

Day 3 update :

#1

[wiseone]

#2

[Carol_Roberts]

Two water changes a day with these little gusy are more than enough. You don't have to worry about water until they are eating lots of babybrine shrimp (artremia). Then you have to wipe sides of tank and squeeze clean sponge filters. Fry are sensitive to changes in temperature and pH. Better to do several small water changes than one big one. ;D

[Northwestcoastdisc]

CONGRATULATIONS !!

you got lot of babies blue dimaonds! keep up your work so hard!

Keep update the fry will grow bigger


Good luck

Duncan

NWCD

[doron]

hey all
i use r/o water couse our tap water r very hard
my pair use to laid every weak
but never saw any wiggler's

i think that i had "HAXED " problem
& that the male didnt do his job....
they in a b/t for 7 weaks
the parameter r good
(a/ n/ n = 0) ( ph=6.8 gh=3 drops' kh = 3 drops )

q: if the male dont fertelise the egges how soon they be white ?
thenk's doron

[Carol_Roberts]

Unfertilized eggs can take anywhere from 1 - 6 days to turn white.

[hexed]

Doron,
My eggs start turning white at about 20 hours and by 24 hours they were eaten by the male. The female eats the white ones as she sees them and the male just goobles them all up. But the first day they fan them lovingly by the second they start turning white and they never last 3 days unless I put mesh over them and everyone turns white. I will tell you exactly white I said to Wise, DON'T GIVE UP! The wait will be worth it in the long run, that your discus just might be young and inexperienced. In time they can get it right. Ask Wise - he has babies ;D
It can take upto and sometimes over 20 times. Carol the mighty has told me this over and over and over again, she won't steer anyone wrong so listen to what she says, she has experience behind her.
Best of luck with your discus and when they do have fry I want to see pics :thumbsup:

[wiseone]

ya 'doron' even i love 2 c the fry good luck n keep trying...

[doron]

thenk's
i hope to see babeys as well

another question : is it posibol thet the mail " do is job "
alternatel ( 1 time he see from the side & in the auther he partisepate..... )

doron

[hexed]

If I understand the question correctly I would say this:
Iif the male did do his job the eggs would turn from the golden orange color to a dark blackish color after 30 hours and hatch about 55 hours. He might be starting to get the hang of it if he's going over the eggs, so give him time, he sounds young. When he's ready he will touch each egg and fertilize them. I hope that is what your asking ;)

[doron]

he
the male is 2 years old .
my question was if it normaly that in 1 lain the male do his job
& after 4-6 daeys i another lain he do nothing ?

doron

( sorry about my en ' :blushing: )

[wiseone]

i m sorry i/we didnt understand.

[wiseone]

Day 4
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[wiseone]

#2

[wiseone]

2day only dad is taking care of the kids!

Day 5
#1

[wiseone]

#2

[doron]

nice pic '

about my q'

my pair had laid couple of time's
in some of them the male go over the egges
but i other casese he do nothing

[wiseone]

wat happens 2 the eggs which he goes over???? eaten???

[hexed]

Doron,
When you see the male go over the eggs and want to see if he did fertilize them place plastic mesh around the cone. You might be able to pick on up on aquabid.com. If there isn't one listed under breeding supplies just go into the forum and ask, someone might have one. He's still young and inexperienced. Give him time and he will get it right. It is fustrating to see the egs and they do not hatch but when he is ready he will do it right. Just because he goes over the eggs still does not mean he fertilized them. But like I said do not give up, he will eventually get it right.

[doron]

thenk's ...

i give him the time he nead ....

doron

[wiseone]

trust me its really 'frustrating' 2 c them eating. Slowly slowly day by day they will learn. U might hav already read, my pair eat their eggs 4-5hrs b4 they hatch. But after 2-3 tries they got it rite... Hope it works 4 ya... keep us in loop!

Day 6
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[wiseone]

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[wiseone]

1 fry swimming alone. Far away from his/her parent. Looking unhealthy. I suspect he/she will die in the nite. :(

I am clueless...

[doron]

:( :( :(

[wiseone]

Day 7
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[wiseone]

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Xchanging fry.

[Carol_Roberts]

Parents are doing good ;D

[wiseone]

:) non dead he/she is back with his/her parents.

Day 8
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2days its mom's turn, father on vacation. Only mom is taking care of the fry.

[wiseone]

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[wiseone]

#3

close up

[wiseone]

Day 9
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Havnt started with bbs yet!

[wiseone]

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[Carol_Roberts]

Better get the bbs going - your fry are big enough to supplement their diet now ;D

[wiseone]

u read my mind Carol, even i was thinking of asking you whether i shld start with bbs or not. Coz 2day i saw some kinda white white small dots on females body! like no mucus n babies are eating her skin...

Ne tip on bbs hatching?

[Carol_Roberts]

Have two bottles going 24 hours apart so everyday you have a fresh batch to feed

[wiseone]

thnx Carol. i'll start making it from 2day onwards n will start feeding from 2morow onwards. 3 times a day????

Carol pls look @ the females skin - is there ne problem????

[wiseone]

Day 10
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[Carol_Roberts]

Mother is being over grazed. Should have started to supplement bbs on day 7 . . .

[Keith.L]

Congrats on the little ones getting bigger every day, wiseone.

Quick newbie question from me to all you experienced discus breeders (or at least everyone with successful hatches):
1. After the spawn, and presumeably after the male has done his job, should the air flow to the sponge filter be kept low, or would it be better to crank it up?

2. I switched off the overhead filteration and cranked the airline to the minimum to allow better chances for the eggs getting fertilized. But what about after the eggs have been fertilized? Will it be beneficial to have the water current flowing over those eggs?

Just curious... Thanks in advance.
-Keith

[wiseone]

1. i normaly turn off or lower (very low) the air flow to the sponge filter when female is laying eggs and male doing his job, after 60-90 mins i spray m-blue on the eggs then start the air flow more than normal almost twice when there r eggs on the pvc pipe (more water current).

2. When they hatch i turn it to normal (less water current).

3. 3-5hrs before they b'com free swimmers i turn it 2 low (less water current then previous stage.)

hth

[Keith.L]

Thanks for your input, wiseone. It may come in handy in the future.

For now, eggs spawned by my discus pair have mostly gone white.
Most probably because it's not a male. Oh well.

[wiseone]

Day 11
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[wiseone]

1st day of BBs! Fry cant figure it out wat is it!!! So they r still attached to Dad & Mom

Day 12
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[wiseone]

Now they understood it food! They r running after bbs far far away from dad & mom.

Mom started ignoring kids. She even hit 3 fry. They seems dead to me, all 3 of the r on the floor, no movement nothing :(

2morow i m planning to move the fry...

Day 13
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[wiseone]

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[wiseone]

Already started eating beefheart/bbs. They dont need their parents i think.

Day 14
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[doron]

they look's great ....

in my tank the male still not doing his job....
i will give him more time

keep posting the pic' ;)

[doron]

after 23 time's ......

the egges hatched .....

not many but i'm happy ......

hope everithing go well .....

[wiseone]

keep trying it will!

[CN]

wiseone,
can you post more pic of them babies...it would be nice to see how much it have grown? thx

cn

[wiseone]

i hav mixed all babies with my another blue turq. batch. So i m unable to take ne snap of bds' neways i will try 2 take few n will post!

thnx

[nirfun]

Nice discus!
Good luck Doron.
Mazal Tov ;) ;D