help???

[john480]

my fish have small white spots on there finn and body and they keep rubbing there side off plants or drift wood .what could this be?

[john480]

im going out tomorrow ot get ether a 29gal or 40gal tank ,because they are in a heavy planted tank .i dont think i can add salt to a planted tank or turn the heat to hight with out killing the plant.so any help in the med dept will help .

[Tad]

John,

Possibly Ick...What is the temp of your discus tank?

Regards,
Tad

[john480]

82 *

[Cosmo]

John,

think temp and salt's your best bet.. 88 degrees/ 2 tbls/10 gal non iodized salt..

An excellent article in the library on ick..

Methaline blue or Malachite Green are supposed to be effective, thought the library article says you may need to go to something heavier if it's a serious outbreak..

hth and good luck
Jim

[Cosmo]

PS. I've had trouble finding either Mblue or mgreen at LFS's.. Maracide by Mardel is widely available and is supposed to be effective as well.. increase airation w/ the higher temps

j

[Tad]

John,
My experience with Ich is to raise temp to 85-86 and add salt...but I see your concern for your plants etc...so one choice is to move your infected fish to a barebottom tank and treat with heat and salt. There are commercial medications like maracide, Formalin and/or malachite solutions, Methylene Blue, that may help but may not be recommended for a planted tank..

Petsolutions on their website advertises a product called Aquarisol
which is supposed to be safe for plants. http://petsolutions.com/product.asp?pn=42700403

Heat and clean tanks are the best preventor of ich in Discus IMO,

Hth,
Tad

[john480]

if i move the fish to another tank and treat with heat and salt do i still have to treat the planted tank?

[Tad]

John,

The discus are the host for the parasite (adult larvae)...If you remove them (discus) from the tank and treat and there are no other fish left in the original tank, you will break the cycle as the tomites need a host which they must find in 3-4 days after they "hatch" out of the cyst, or they will die..thus in theory ending the cycle. IMO I would not re-introduce fish back to the planted tank for at least 10 days!

As Cosmo said there is a great article in the library on Ich: http://www.simplydiscus.com/library/disease_medications/external/ich.shtml

HTH,
Tad

[john480]

what do you think about permoxyn (potassium permanganate)

[Cosmo]

very aggressive solution for your problem. Personnaly PP scares me though many board memebers use it with their fish in the tank.. Would think it would eat your plants too, but could be wrong
Jim

[Scott T.]

Hello all
Just wondering if you can use regular non iodized salt from the store to treat your fish?

[Cosmo]

Scott,

Kosher salt from the store is what many use..
Jim

[Scott T.]

Thanks Jim,
I am on my way to the store now, Enjoy your day.

Scott

[john480]

Kosher salt is that the samething as aquarium salt??

[jeep]

For aquarium application, salt is salt as long as there are no additives.

I use Solar Salt (blue bag) from Home Depot. 60lb bag for $5.

[john480]

i just got back for the fish store i picked up
40gal tank
jungle aquarium salt
aquarium products quick cure for ich
ehiem 2215
i guess i will let the tank cycle for 24 hour before i move them

[Scott T.]

Hi John
I am curious, are you going to move a established bacteria colony to your new tank? I am in the same boat as you but I think it is easier for me to move my plants into a new tank and treat the main tank with salt and higher temps.
Good luck and let me know how you are making out ok.

Scott

[john480]

i think in going to move the fish it easer 7-discus/2-gold nuggets/1-leapard placo /12 alge eaters .i have over $140 in plants and the co2 system and light .so i think the fish are easyer .also give me time to move the plants around with out stressing the fish out.good luck.

[Carol_Roberts]

Move the cycled filter with the fish

[john480]

well the 7-discus are moved to the 40 gal i cleaned the planted tank did a 90% water change on the planted tank.the discus look very happy and eating .i was wondering will the salt and 88degree water do it or do i need to add quick cure?

[Carol_Roberts]

Add the Quick Cure

[john480]

carol should i go by other post (sold in pet stores as Formalin and in a combination with dyes as Quick Cure and Rid Ick or can be purchased online. One cc or ml per 10 gallons of water. 50% water change after 8 hours. Do not raise temperature. Add extra air as it depletes oxygen. If you see an improvement after first dose you can treat every other day for two weeks. Dose all fish in tank. May impact biofilter.)

[Carol_Roberts]

That's how I dose formalin. I believe it will work for Quick Cure too.

[john480]

one more thing (i hope im not to much of a pain)someone told me you cant use quick cure with palco's i have 2-gold nuggets and a lepard placo.thanks for all your help ???

[Carol_Roberts]

I don't know.

[john480]

i spoke to someone from (thatpetplace.com) about placo and she ask the Marine Biologists that works there and he said it would harm them .only loachs .
they where nore then help full !!!