Urgent, someone help before they die

[lhor]

Hi every body in this valuable site, I need an urgent help from any expert please

One of my pairs was about to spawn, however the mail was slightly infected with Jill flukes.

So I used a medicine which you see in the pic. And I follow the instructions for the quantity. For no specific reason I use same medicine for my other tanks.

In the second day morning I was shocked to see the pair (that was infected with flukes) breathing from up and burned skin and eyes. They are dieing. Tail falling not moving and stay in one corner with out any emotions.

Please ....please help they are very nice looking and full body round.

I did change 120% of water immediately and continue changing I add salt but no clear result.

Please, notice that other tanks are very ok even I use same medicine

[Barb Newell]

Hi, what are the ingredients in the med you used?

Barb

[lhor]

Yes, Barb thanks for reply:

Sorry No any details or components are on the med cover. They just say:
NEW IMPROVED GERMANY FORMULA

Then they tell about usage and dosage that’s all, however, if this helps the med colour is light blue and I think producer is Chinese because instructions are repeated in china language

I just wonder y other tanks doing well?? Even though they were treated the same

I need to tell u that only today morning after water change about 30%, they start to move very slowly in the tank. Is this a good sign of improvement?

[Greg Richardson]

I would do 80% wc in morning. Do another 50% at least at night. for a few days at least. More wc the better for right now and see if they can pull out of this.

[Barb Newell]

I agree with Greg, lots of water changes and aquarium salt, 2 tbsp. 10 gals. Keep the lights down, low stress.

Barb

[lhor]

Thanks both of u.

I will follow the wc and salt as u recommended. Today I noticed something swimming in the tank looks like secretion or dead skin in large quantity. The male do better swimming while female is still breathing from up and completely covered by this thing dead skin or what ever…

Any idea about water temperature? I am keeping it between 86-90 now.
Thx again 4 u 2

[Barb Newell]

I'd lower the temp to 84 degrees. That may have been the problem, if there was dylox in the medication for parasites, dylox is more toxic in higher temps.

barb

[lhor]

Barb thnx again

I will lower temp to 84 and see. By tomorrow they will complete a week with out eating nothing .... I am worry about them, they can see nothing I can tell from the way they swim... shal I just wait ?

[aziyaeian]

I had this problem before. I added malachite green in wrong dose.
they was very poisening.
I could save only one of them with regular water changing.
be very carefull for. if they are in planted tank you should move them to another tank with fresh water after complet treating.( you can do it know)

[Robin764]

Sounds like a ph burn first of all.....This dead skin you speak of, is it floating in water, or does it look like mucous coat is shedding, or both? Check your water parameters, this will give you more insight as to the ph. Check all of your tanks....

Do you age your water before water changes, or directly from tap? I have experienced the same, but fish recovered. (I do tap with prime) I can only guess that the water company did something very strange to water, but good care and proper w/c's help. Yes I know that not all the tanks were affected, but when I experience this it is usually with the smaller tanks, as it seems that any water parameter change affects the smaller tanks the most.

Hopefully this is your problem as well, as I have not yet seen this to be deadly.

Keep us posted, and also, Barb's advice on the Dylox is right on. I learned my lesson the hard way on that.

Good luck,
Robin

[lhor]

Friends, all of u thax 4 ur care.

I really want to appreciate this site, u make it hard less to me. Yes I am aging my water be4 wc and the tank has the same size as others. The fish were v. relax before the problem and they were almost potting the second eggs.

Today slight improvement for male, his eye become more transparent and breathes slower than before. What am worry more about is the female

Today I stopped adding salt and keep wc only

Thnx again

*Down u see the female, look at the eyes she can’t see (sorry for pic quality)

[lhor]

another look

[lhor]

again, most of the body is coverd like the eye

[lhor]

Barb Newell:

U was right regarding dylox. I have got recent information that the med I use contain dylox and I have to tell u that the temp was 90+.

Now what do u suggests reducing dylox effect on them, if there is any, other than wc and salt?

Best regard

[Barb Newell]

Hi, if using dylox the temp needs to be low.

I'd recommend lots of fresh water and salt. I can't see her eyes clearly, cloudy? How many days have they been this way? I hate to recommend meds but if they don't clear with water changes and salt, I'd use Furan2.

Barb

[lhor]

Yes Barb:

They have been this way for a week now. But I see male eye getting better day after day with every wc, female too but in a slower rate. Today male try to eat at first but he did not.

I think wc and salt will be enough as u said, or I don’t know.... what if we check after 2-3 days?

[Carol_Roberts]

Yes, try the water changes and salt for the next few days and see if she continues to improve.

[Barb Newell]

I agree with Carol, sounds like they're on the mend.

Barb

[lhor]

Hi Barb:

Well Barb the male is getting too better while female is not. Am just worry about food she is not eating she can’t see. About furan we don’t have, any other well known internationally med?

Please look below to see how she becomes...
(Yellow balloon around both eyes)

[lhor]

another look see male almost ok at back

[lhor]

side look

[Barb Newell]

Poor girl! As far as not eating, they can go a long time without food. Her eyes... can you get any antibiotics? Kananyacin, Oxytetracycline, Erythromycin or Maracyn or maracyn2.

Where are you located, if you don't mind me asking?

Barb

[lhor]

Barb

I live in Bahrain (small country, it’s an island), we considered as a third world country.... we don’t have pharmacy specialists in fish (most animals we do)


Antibiotics? Yes we have, but as I told u human wise like Erythromycin I was using it personally sometime ago. What I need from u is to know in what % or gram/s I must use and should I mix it with something I can get help from any regular pharmacy here

Unlimited thanks

[Barb Newell]

Hi lhor, I sent you a private message.

Barb

[Andrew Soh]

Ihor morning :) ,

Before jumping into anitibiotics and all......as all the other friends in this forum said, it is most likely caused by the medication used...could be overdosing or reacted differently in your tank under your different water perimeter..temp...pH and so on.

I really don't like to keep using antibiotics because in your case, it is a reaction to an action you made...and that is adding something into the water. Damages seems to be a cause.

Try this:

1) WC as frequently as possible as adviced by forum friends.

2) To prevent secondary infection and to prevent bacteria taking advantage, use Acriflavine as a preventive rather than treatment. Dosage: follow instruction stipulated in the aquarium product you purchase. Here, I buy in kgs and in powder form...so may be different.

3) Add 100gm to 100liter of water to prevent dehydration (not for planted tanks)....till they are fully recovered.

4) Add 100mg of B complex vitamin in the water (100liter) to induce hunger.

Warmest regards,
Andrew :angel:

[brewmaster15]

HI Ihor,
Sorry to hear you are having problems. Theres been some good advice here. I think it important to know somemore about your water... whats the pH? Is it very soft water? That can affect how a med reacts with your fish.

This Pair was the only pair affected? do you use RO or DI water for your pairs?... Is it possible the pH was very low in this tank.


That females Eye looks very inflammed internally... Its possible that that swelling may just work itself out in time. In some cases blindness may result...and theres nothing to be done about that. Eyes heal very slowly in most cases.

I think since the male recovered on its own and it sounds like the female is doing so, just very slowly, I think I would also keep up big water changes as others have said. The salt may help for the stress. I would watch the fish for the next few days and see if there is continued improvement. If there is not and you want to try an antibiotic, you can use the erythromycin you mentioned at 200 mg/10gal for 5-10 days. 50-100% water change daily( it will affect your biofilter) That one works pretty well on bacterias generally associated with POP eye. If you need help with the concentration, drop me an IM.

Andrews advice on the acriflavin would not be a bad idea since it sounds like their may have been a bad chemical burn....or a pH crash. If that is not availible, try methylene blue.

Watch you BIO filter...It is probably impaired after all thats happened...one more reason to water change.

good luck,
al

[Andrew Soh]

Sorry Ihor,

On no 3, I was trying to say 100gm of salt to 100 liter of water to prevent dehydration (the leaching of salt)....but did not write the word SALT.

regards,
Andrew :angel:

[Barb Newell]

lhor, how is your fish doing?

Barb

[lhor]

Hi Barb and every body there:


I would like to thank all of u so much and I will respond to what u say.
I have another issue here to mention, it looks that I have a bad season.

First regarding the female she still blind. I think am gonna try the erythromycin for the next 5-10 days with lot wc.

I need some help here; recently my other SS pair brings some fries, for the first time since very long time ago. but again something happen to the female. A wide bright area in the body showed up as it appears on the pic. below.

I was so worried that they will eat their fries (because of the disturbance), so I did not change water for 2 weeks. Then this spot appeared and that might’ve been the reason.

I tried med like general tonic and wc with salt but no result. She is dark, shy and lost her appetite. Fries are eating well.

Guys some help

[Barb Newell]

Hi, I'd try the EM on your female, asap!

What are you feeding the fry in the other tank, are the fry still with the female?

Barb

[lhor]

hi Barb:

Fries are still with her. I feed them nothing yet, what I meant when I said they eat well is that they feed from mother and she supplies them enough regardless of her sick.

I sent u PM.

lhor.

[Barb Newell]

Got it :) and now you've got one.

Barb