WHIRLING DISEASE

[Alain]

WHIRLING DISEASE

I am of France.

Know this disease in the USA, and where be you in these causes and his
treatment?

In France, by analyses, we know that this disease is not due to
Myxozoan. It was never found on the analyzed discus.

At the school of veterinary de Berne, in Switzerland, it
thinks that this disease could be caused by toxins coming from
cyanobacterie (I do not know the English word).

Several treatments were tested, like salt, an antibiotic,
(Nifurpirinol). But there never was convincing result.

Here in short what we know in Europe, and you, in the USA, where be
you?

Thank you

Alain

[dandestroy]

Hey Alain you can write it in french and I'm going to translate it for you if you like!

Hey Alain tu peux écrire en Français pour que l'on comprennent mieux et je m'occuperai de traduite pour toi!

[surya_niki]

Hi Alain,

Well I'm from India and according to me this is caused by changes in water parameters in your water. It may be due to heavy metal trace or presence of chloromine in water. I would advice you to treat the water with readily available solution which will take care of heavy metal and chloromine.

You can try using one of Sera(German Brand-I guess) product which help you remove the above mentioned. Try this and hope for the best.

Do keep us updated on the result.

Regards,
Surya

[Alain]

Personnellement, je ne suis pas confronté à cette maladie, mais j'effectue des recherches pour pouvoir trouver un traitement.

En France, les aquariophiles rencontrent souvent cette maladie, et ne savent pas comment la guérir.

Cette maladie touche aussi bien les discus d'élevages que les discus sauvages

Merci dandestroy, de me traduire:)


Personally, I am not confronted with this disease, but I carry out
research to be able to find a treatment.

In France, the aquarists often meet this disease, and do not know how
to cure it.

This disease touches as well the discus breedings as the wild discus

[Alain]

surya_niki

Je connais cette thèorie sur la qualité de l'eau, mais j'ai constaté que cette maladie touche des discus qui sont aussi bien élevé en eau du robinet qu'en eau osmosé + sel Preiss

I know this thèorie on the quality of water, but I noted that this
disease touches discus which are as well high out of water of the
R/O water + salt Preiss

[surya_niki]

Hi Alain,

I would agree to that , but it also depends when there is afluctuation in the PH parameter while using water through RO. This can cause PH swing due to which Discuss would behaviour might look like Whirling Disease.

Experts: Kindly correct me if I'm wrong

Regards,
Surya

[Alain]

Hi surya_niki,

vous avez raison, le Ph peut provoquer les même symptômes que Whirling Disease .

Mais dans les cas que nous avons rencontré, en France, et en particulier chez une personne expérimenté avec les discus sauvages, malgré de très nombreux changements d'eau, et un Ph à 6,0, (eau fabriqué à partir d'eau osmosé),a perdu en 2 semaines une dizaine de discus.

Les discus présentant les symptômes, les uns après les autres.

you are right, the ph can cause same the symptoms as Whirling Disease.

But in the cases which we encountered, in France, and in particular at
a person experienced with the wild discus, in spite of very many water
changes, and a pH with 6,0, (water manufactured starting from water
R/O), lost in 2 weeks tenth discus.

Discus presenting the symptoms, the ones after the others.

[surya_niki]

Hi Alain,

Well this topic can go on and on which I kinda like. Guess this will help many of understand Discus behaviour.

Coming back to the topic, I would like to say that it all depends on the Discus i.e what is the kind of PH they were in. Eg: I have Discuss in BB tank and the current PH is 8.6. Hard to digest but that is the fact . And at this time if I move them to a different water parameter they might show the synptoms of stress.

We tend to talk about getting them use to new water by mild water changes but the fact is in along run they might not like the new water parameter.

I might get used to french food and you can get used to Indian food but in along run you might give up the thought for the same .

Regards,
Surya

[Alain]

Hi surya_niki

Pour revenir sur le sujet.

Des personnes ayant plusieurs aquariums, ont eu cette maladie dans un seul des bacs alors qu'il faisait leurs maintenances et leurs eaux, exactement de la même façon.

Si cela était un problème dû à la qualité de l'eau, pourquoi cette maladie se déclencherait que dans un seul bac, et pas dans les autres ?
C'est pour cette raison que j'ai éliminé, comme cause, la provenance et la qualité de l'eau

To reconsider the subject.

People having several aquarium, had this disease in only one of the
vats whereas it made their maintenances and their water, exactly in
the same way.

If that were a problem due to the quality of water, why this disease
would start that in only one tank, and not in the others? For this
reason I eliminated, as causes, the source and the quality of water

regards,

Alain

[Boupette]

May I know what are the symptoms of the WHIRLING DISEASE please? Thanks

[Alain]

bonjour Boupette

voici à quoi ça ressemble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP4vibZd-I8

here what that resembles

Alain

[Boupette]

Oh gosh I don't want that thing!

[Alain]

another video

http://www.dailymotion.com/lilli/video/2126361

[FishyMatty]

I read that the actual disease called whirling disease (Myxobolus cerebralis) can not survive in discus or most tropical fish due to the temps that they live in.
Not to say that there isn't an ailment in discus that make them behave like they have symptoms of whirling disease.

[guille2007]

Alain, did you feed that infected fish with live tubifex?

read this link :

http://www.whirling-disease.org/infolinks.htm