wild angelfish

[Rod]

I purchased these as wild peru altums....which i don't think they are. Any angelfish experts know where they more likely come from and what species i might have?

So far they have spawned once but no eggs hatched in my 400 ms tapwater.

Thanks

Rod

[tpl*co]

Those don't look quite like mine, which I got from Bill. Mine are from Peru too.

Tina

[Rod]

Thats what i thought Tina, i had Peru's about 15 years ago. My memory is fading a bit but i think they had spots on the body and didn't have the blood red eyes?

Rod

[Deepak]

Just look like wild silvers to me. But great fish at that !

[brewmaster15]

Hi Rod,
They look Domestic to me...the color and fins look wrong. I get a few cases of Peruvian Scalare in here from time to time...and currently have a f1 wild X domestic spawn.


some pics of the wilds peruvians I have had here..

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=46977

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=46441

hth,

al

[tpl*co]

Hi Rod,
They look Domestic to me...the color and fins look wrong. I get a few cases of Peruvian Scalare in here from time to time...and currently have a f1 wild X domestic spawn.


some pics of the wilds peruvians I have had here..

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=46977

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=46441

hth,

al

That's what I thought too, they don't have the indented nose, the fins look a little veil-like and they have red eyes.

My lights are on a timer so I can't get a picture of one of mine yet.

Tina

OK, here's a picture, never mind the dirty glass and the flakes floating around. Been having some algae and the nerite snails I got are leaving eggs everyplace :(.

[Jason]

the spots can fade to light orange/tan then eventually disapear if the diet or water is lacking ferrous. The shape and apearance is not quite right though, I've never seen them that chunky looking. I can show the pics to the man on the river for you if you like.

[tpl*co]

What I really like about the one's I got from Bill is that they have a beautiful blue iredescence on the gill plates (kinda like blue diamond blue you see a little on the angel in the middle in my picture, they have a lot more than that) and the nice brownish color on the body.

Here's a website of wild angel id:

http://finarama.com/tba/identification.htm

Tina

[Ed13]

Hi Rod,
They look Domestic to me...the color and fins look wrong.

I thought the same, but figured I was wrong

[Jason]

Those don't look quite like mine, which I got from Bill. Mine are from Peru too.

Tina

whatcha think about this one? w/c peru blue

[tpl*co]

whatcha think about this one? w/c peru blue

Wow! I love that one! it has more blue than mine, mine are around the gill plates, but here's hoping :) (mine are still growing)

Found some stuff on youtube (I guess mine are also marketed as Peruvian Altums) These are also showing the blue on the gill plates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMlc0f6en0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pMJnE9RrhU


And here's one of a young domestic angel hunting down neons in its tank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSkcyh35QzY&NR=1

Here's some beautiful shots of Rio Negro angels:

http://www.finarama.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=784

Tina

[Tropical Haven]

I would have to agree with everyone else, they look like a domestic strain.

[Rod]

Just look like wild silvers to me. But great fish at that !
Thats what they look like to me as well. Thanks for your comment.

[Rod]

Hi Rod,
They look Domestic to me...the color and fins look wrong. I get a few cases of Peruvian Scalare in here from time to time...and currently have a f1 wild X domestic spawn.


some pics of the wilds peruvians I have had here..

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=46977

http://www.forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=46441

hth,

al

Well i knew they were not peru's, but i never expected anyone to say they are not even from South America. I bought these from a reliable Australian source, i have no idea if the german exporter is honest however but as we buy huge shipments from them one would tend to think they would try and do the right thing. That would be a major bummer if that were true. I thought the eyes would make it easier to identify.

I don't know what you mean by the color and fins look wrong?

Rod

[Rod]

That's what I thought too, they don't have the indented nose, the fins look a little veil-like and they have red eyes.


They do have a very indented nose, maybe the angle i took the pic at isn't good enough.

Veil like fins??

Wild angels never have red eyes?

Sorry for asking about a clarification, i just am not seeing what everyone else is seeing.....or i'm not understanding it.

Rod

[Rod]

the spots can fade to light orange/tan then eventually disapear if the diet or water is lacking ferrous. The shape and apearance is not quite right though, I've never seen them that chunky looking. I can show the pics to the man on the river for you if you like.

Please do Jason. I've looked all over Daniel matthaus website and i think they look more like the shape of central amazon angelfish, not Peru's. But here in Oz, we don't get fish like this often so i'm only really guessing from Pics.

Rod

[tpl*co]

They do have a very indented nose, maybe the angle i took the pic at isn't good enough.

Veil like fins??

Wild angels never have red eyes?

Sorry for asking about a clarification, i just am not seeing what everyone else is seeing.....or i'm not understanding it.

Rod

Maybe they're still wild but collected from a different location? If you look at the pictures of the wilds we posted I think they all have the same colored eyes as their bodies? It's those bright red eyes on yours that are throwing everybody off (you see that in the domestics)

In that one website with the different wilds there was one picture of a fish that kinda looked like yours, the Eimeki (not looking at the picture so can't see how it's spelled :)).

Here's a site with domestic angel pictures:

http://mellowaquatics.com/angelfishgallery.htm

Look at the silver and the black lace.

Your fish is beautiful though :)

Tina

[Jason]

Please do Jason. I've looked all over Daniel matthaus website and i think they look more like the shape of central amazon angelfish, not Peru's. But here in Oz, we don't get fish like this often so i'm only really guessing from Pics.

Rod

sorry he said its possible 1 of the 2 is wild, but not both as one has a defect in the ventral fin and would'nt survive in the wild. he did add they are excellent crosses, best he's seen in the while.

[Deepak]

Thanks for that link Tina :)

You know, this thread has revoked my intrest in Angels. They were my farourite before I was bit by the Discus bug ;)

[Ed13]

Thanks for that link Tina :)

You know, this thread has revoked my intrest in Angels. They were my farourite before I was bit by the Discus bug ;)

Me too! I wonder.....

Hey Rod, did this guys came from Aquarium Glaser in Germany?
Yesterday I saw a video of their operations and it was impressive, very nice wild discus and plecos! I did not know imports to the UK and Australia had to be inspected and aproved by a certified vet

[Rod]

Me too! I wonder.....

Hey Rod, did this guys came from Aquarium Glaser in Germany?
Yesterday I saw a video of their operations and it was impressive, very nice wild discus and plecos! I did not know imports to the UK and Australia had to be inspected and aproved by a certified vet

Yes, Australia has been like that since 1982, we are the toughest country on the planet to get fish too. UK i didn't know about, but i can see all countries following Australia's lead eventually. Yes they came through aquarium Glaser in Germany. I just can't believe they are not wild caught, they have comethrough a long line of reputable companies, it has left me feeling really aweful that i could be conned. These guys were twice the price of other wild angels in the shop so i thought i had something special....anyway i'll enjoy themthe way they are and forget about everything else.

Rod

[tpl*co]

Those are still beautiful angels!

I didn't give angels much of a look before since I saw mostly domestics. Then I saw wilds and I really like them! They have quite a personality too.

Tina

[ozarowana]

It's quite interesting that some of the pics on amazon exotic import have red eyes:confused:

[Ed13]

whatcha think about this one? w/c peru blue
I wouldn't mind having some of those in my tanks, but since there are very little chances of that happening, why bother?:(

From the video it looks like Aquarium Glaser runs a very big business(never seen before a 300-500 Euro royal pleco, destined for Japan of course) maybe there was a mix up, maybe they're F1 from some farm in SA, either wild or domestic they look nice.
In the video the vet was actually inspecting some wild discus; blues, browns and some really nice greens they said they were destined for the UK and Australia

[Rod]

It's quite interesting that some of the pics on amazon exotic import have red eyes:confused:
Yes Chuong, the rio negro Pterophyllum spp appears to have blood red eyes, but different again to mine as well i think. My pair appear to be much larger than most on Daniels website as well, i've had them a while now and they are much beefier than when i first got them.

So have you setup for live bloodworms yet? Trust me, it is oh so easy!

Cheers

Rod