white spots

[alan j t]

hi all
i recently moved one of my fish out of my 75gl (the old man)
i call him that cause hes over 8 years old
there are two pairs spawing in the 75 and "the old man" keeps disturbing them, alot
so when i saw torn fins on the spawning pairs
i immediatly transfered him to a 55 gl community tank
the community has 2 angels some tetras, kribs and some algea control fellas
he's huge and could easily eat any tetra or krib in the tank,but luckly no fatalities
so above his eye are three white spots that look pretty big
ill be doing 3 50% water changes today to help
please help "the old man"

[alan j t]

heres the pics

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1539.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1538.jpg

[Graham]

That almost looks like physical damage....did he get beat up in the move?

G

[alan j t]

maybe a little. he barely fit in the net and it took 3 tries to get him in the net
this is day 2 in the commun tank and in day one i didnt notice anything out of the ordinary.
do you think it will get worse before it gets better

[Graham]

If it is just physical damage from the move then the white film is new tissue and it'll get beter....if there is any reddness or fuzzy tufts then thats anohter story

[alan j t]

If it is just physical damage from the move then the white film is new tissue and it'll get beter....if there is any reddness or fuzzy tufts then thats anohter story

the white stuff has tripled in size
ill put him a tank of his own
but what do i do now

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1562.jpg

[Graham]

:shocked::shocked::shocked::huh: I'm not sure what in the hell that is but the water needs some kind if fungal med in it would be my best guess. Then I would catch the fish and while holding it in your hand or down on a wet towel, swab the spot with iodine or a PP paste on a Q-tip....trying very hard not to get any in the eyes or gills.

Don't be too gentle doing this, You want to clear away any dead tissue with the Q-tip while you're doing this.

[alan j t]

well i added some formalin to the water
i guess i could buy some iodine at walmart

[alan j t]

you think it could be a serious case of body flukes?

[Graham]

That is not body flukes what so ever..it fungal or maybe bacterial but it's not flukes..........swab the spots and threat the water

PS, what did you add the formalin for? Formalin by itself is pretty useless with Malachite Green it would help (maybe) this problem

[Kindredspirit]

the white stuff has tripled in size




OMG! It sure has in three days! Has to be some sort of fungus ~ Graham can def help you if anyone can:)

Good Luck!

[alan j t]

That is not body flukes what so ever..it fungal or maybe bacterial but it's not flukes..........swab the spots and threat the water

PS, what did you add the formalin for? Formalin by itself is pretty useless with Malachite Green it would help (maybe) this problem

o i did not know it wasn't that good unless used with Malachite Green
the bottle said for fungal problems
would it be okay if used as a dip for now
or
i have ick away ,it says it contians Malachite Green
could i combine meds
i was once told not to mix meds
but if you say so then you say so

[alan j t]

oops
its formalin 3
i dont know if it matters or not

[alan j t]

well things are looking for the worst ,his slime coat is falling off
and his tail looks like its starting to rot its turning white

i think i may have to put him out of his misery
any ideas:(

[Graham]

How about some updated pics.....The shedding of the mucus is probably from a parasite...........Use the two meds together following dosing instructions on the bottles. Using a combo like Quick Cure would be better but this should help.

[alan j t]

well i went to walmart yesterday and they had no iodine
burning man started so they raided all the meds.
the employees said to check later.
can i use anything else household for now.
i used both meds todayafter a water change

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1563.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1565.jpg

[Graham]

Any pharmacy in the world has iodine...wal=mart the only show in town???


The lousy pics don't really help much, but the head shot shpows that the fish is in a mess, but it doesn't look to be ''fuzzy''...how about some clear pics

[alan j t]

well i called my wife to find some iodine on the way home from work

people from all over the world go to burningman and raid all the stuff they need for a week to go to black rock. pop. 50,000 for a week
they pass thru my town and raid it

ill try clearer pics this time

[alan j t]

my wife called and found some iodine
here are some better pics i guess
on the bottom of his pelvic fins hes dragging what seems to be his slime coat and the bottom of his caudual fin is starting to turn white
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1577.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1575.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll271/alan-j-t/100_1572.jpg

[Graham]

A couple of better pics.............this maybe a primary Columnaris bacterial infection, with some secondary ''stuff '' going on.

I'd still use the iodine swab on the white infected area and then use an antibiotic in the QT water. Furan, Oxytetracycline, Marcyn Two, Tetracycline should work.......

This one is going to be a learning experience.......

needless to say water has to be prefect

G

Good luck

[alan j t]

thats sounds like great advise
when my wife comes home ill give him some iodine

so tonight or tomorrow i'll look for some antibiotics
do i stop use of formalin 3 and the malachite green
or do both and add the anibiotic continously

[alan j t]

so tonight right before bed i checked on him
and hes laying on his side

[*Polka dots roc*]

I'm sorry to hear that its never fun to deal with something like that...

[Graham]

Hopefully he;s still with us........stop the F&MG. do a water change and add the antibiotic

Good luck

G

[alan j t]

its too late
my guess is his health was compromised his age
and with the move to the community tank stessed him so much his immune system went down,then the move to the q tank made it worse.

thank you so much Graham for all your help and everyone here for all your
support.

ever since ive joined this forum ive never lost a discus,since id spend hours
reading all the do's and dont's and the investment i put into my pets.
my wife thought i was a little to obbsesive till i broke it down to her my hobby and their needs to stay healthy.
i kinda feel like i failed.
but you live n learn

now im scared my community tank is carrying what ever hit my discus

[Graham]

Sorry you lost him.

G

[alan j t]

hey Graham
is the fungus contagious
could i spread it by using the same python or nets or sponge

[KimR]

so sorry to hear about your loss, you did I think everything you could, he was very handsome and had a great life by the looks of it.

[Graham]

hey Graham
is the fungus contagious
could i spread it by using the same python or nets or sponge


It's not like a parasite, fungal spores and bacteria are in the air and water anyway. They just need a place to invade

[alan j t]

ok
thankx for the advise
i hope this never happens again