My fish room please advices

[zerocoolv]

please i need a help from you whats your advice for the best fastest way to cycle the tanks cause ill recive my 80 discus after 17 days


cycling using : fish or food

i have an old cycled tank but am afraid if i used media from the old tank it could infect the new tanks cause in the last 2 weeks 2 of my discus appear to hvae white spot so i think its dangerous

what about using 2 gold fish in every tank

any advice please


today i will add 3 tanks 120x45x45

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[Graham]

Use ammonia/fishless cycle and even then you probably won't be fully cycled to handle 80 fish in a little over 2 weeks. Try and hold off on their delivery.

The goldfish probably have more ''bugs'' than your established bio-media.

Edit be prepared to do a lot of major water changes

[zerocoolv]

from where i got the amonia

i intednd to do daily water changes

[Eddie]

http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?p=508129#post508129

[zerocoolv]

am using stright Ro

do u prefer i mix or it will be ok with stright Ro

[Chad Hughes]

Congratulations on the new room!!

Not to sound coy, but are you sure that you are ready to keep discus, let alone an entire room of them???

You definately need to have a significant cycle run before you stock and you never use straight RO water unless your RO system need new filters and it's producing RO in the 150 PPM range.

You may want to try and have your order delayed and try a few discus first. Maybe get five, stock one of your tanks, and learn A LOT before you have thousands of dollors of fish delivered.

I would be heart broken to hear that you did stock your room and ran in to so much trouble that you lost your stock. Maybe I am just overreacting, but your questions are not giving me the warm fuzzy.

Best wishes!

[Eddie]

Congratulations on the new room!!

Not to sound coy, but are you sure that you are ready to keep discus, let alone an entire room of them???

You definately need to have a significant cycle run before you stock and you never use straight RO water unless your RO system need new filters and it's producing RO in the 150 PPM range.

You may want to try and have your order delayed and try a few discus first. Maybe get five, stock one of your tanks, and learn A LOT before you have thousands of dollors of fish delivered.

I would be heart broken to hear that you did stock your room and ran in to so much trouble that you lost your stock. Maybe I am just overreacting, but your questions are not giving me the warm fuzzy.

Best wishes!

Agree, with that many fish...that is alot of money.


Eddie

[zerocoolv]

i wish i could delay i asked them to delay the shipmnet for more 10 days they refused cause they booked at 11 march that fisrt second if i change water everyday will that help me at the beginig and ill let two tanks cycle and then transfer the media to the discus tanks

what about the nh3 cycle how much days it will take from me iam runing the tanks from 5 days i declorined them i added the bacteria in a double dose if i start the nh3 from today will 17 days be ok for me

my tap water is so bad when i tested it i found high nitrat and nitrate and high ph i think 7.6 or something and the gh veryhard and the water kh very high

please tell me what media contins nh3 i can use to cycle

whats your advice

[Graham]

Slow down for a second.........leave the pH alone for the moment, nitirifiers like high pH. This will help it cycle faster. Look at buying some actual nitrifiying bacteria product...not the typical snake oils on the shelf.

Ammonia oxidizing bio-film can take 3 to 4 weeks to develop and even then it probably wouldn't handle 80 fish unless they are fry.

I think you need to plan on very large water chnages, keeping food to a mininium and seeding with quality bottled bacteria like Bio-spira

[Eddie]

Graham is correct, try to get some bio spira, the real stuff. Also, you will need to have a source of ammonia for the bacteria to thrive on. If you simply dump the bio spira in without fish, you won't have much of anything when the fish arrive. I have never used bio spira but I am pretty sure you will need to have a source of ammonia to keep the bacteria thriving.

Eddie

[Graham]

Eddie is correct I should have mentioned that, but you can and should use it once the fish arrive.

You've got a nice$$$$ set up and a pile of fish$$$$ arriving so spending some $$ on real bacteria shouldn't be a problem

[Darren's Discus]

The new fishroom looks great look forward to seeing the fish in the tanks.


cheers

[alpine]

Ask the seller to send you some biological filtration material. that will help you.

Roberto.

[zerocoolv]

10nx for your help guys ur real friends


am using this type of bactreia its the higher price in the market and the best as they told me check it please biodigest

http://www.prodibio.fr/anglais/biodigest.htm

[Eddie]

Thats fine ZC but you need to add the ampules when the fish arrive or have a source of ammonia for the bacteria to build.

I have never ever heard of that stuff you are using but that doesn't mean much. It could be very effective but if you have never ever used it and had success, I wouldn't be betting 5000 dollars worth of fish on it. You need to go to vegas man, there are some odds there that are better for you. J/K

No matter what, I'd have some Seachem Prime and Seachem Stability on hand, LOTS of it. I've cycled tanks with discus using those 2 products. You need to watch your nitrites when they start showing up and maintain WCs as needed. Your tanks will take a long time to cycle doing it this way but you have no choice. Unless this bio that your betting on is a miracle cycle drug, you have alot to do in the coming days.

Eddie

[Chad Hughes]

Amen!

Well stated Eddie!

[MostlyDiscus]

Hope you dont mind if I ask Zero... Where are you purchasing your discus? With that investment on the line most breeders etc... would be willing to work with you on your time line. All good advice here. I would ask for a sponge filter too from the breeder as Alpine stated. Amen to Chad. BH and Graham agreeing:angel:.

Ed

[Singularity96]

what does your filtration setup consist of ?

[zerocoolv]

sure i get my discus from thailand free hormone raising this is the breeder site

http://www.pydiscusfarm.com/index.html


will am using a sponge filter and a topfilter over the tank full of cottonns and cyramik i intned to do daily water change for the breeders and day on day off for the other discus

thakns for bieng so helpfull my freinds

[seanyuki]

Not sure if that product you mentioned is avaiable in the States......Marineland Bio Spira product has been discontinued....needed to be refridgerated. Meaning icepacks and overnight shipping......Tetra has a new product & worth a try.

http://www.tetra-fish.com/sites/tetrafish/catalog/productdetail.aspx?id=1276&cid=3582


hope this helps

Cheers
Francis:)




10nx for your help guys ur real friends


am using this type of bactreia its the higher price in the market and the best as they told me check it please biodigest

http://www.prodibio.fr/anglais/biodigest.htm

[MostlyDiscus]

Nice discus Zero.... If you look at the farm pics on that web site you see crazy amounts of fish in small tanks. They look good and healthy though. Are you in the USA?

Ed

[zerocoolv]

Nice discus Zero.... If you look at the farm pics on that web site you see crazy amounts of fish in small tanks. They look good and healthy though. Are you in the USA?

Ed

no am not in the states but i realy will need your help guys and realy thkans for bieng so helpfull now all the issue that the tanks can hold the load of the fish :D

the fish size are 3 inch quantiny 72
the piars are 4 6 inch

tank size

70x45x45 8 tanks
90x45x45 3 tanks
120x45x50 2 tanks

[Chad Hughes]

Beautiful fish and great website! I wish you all the best!

[ApacheDan]

I'm running a similar situation now...I'm in the process of setting up 9 tanks at the same time & have discus within 2-3 weeks. I just won't risk it. I have a few extra tanks (5) that are fully cycled with different fish. I moved fish from these tanks to make space for the new ones. Yes, they will be crowded, but crowded on cycled tanks that I can make daily water changes. My new tanks will be ready, when they are ...., meanwhile my new discus will just have to live in a condominum and not their new mansions...:D

[jeff@zina.com]

Go to a local fish store and buy, beg, borrow or steal seeded filter material. You can stave off some ammonia/nitrite/nitrate issues through heavy planting, but then the cycle takes forever too.

Jeff

[tcyiu]

http://www.pydiscusfarm.com/index.html

Wow wow wow. I want a fish room like that farm. Bright, clean. Boy o boy. Did you see the density of fish?

As for the seeder material from a store, wouldn't that run the risk of disease? Many (not all) fish stores do not really manage the health of their stock. Churning product is the name of the game, so I would be suspicious of the filter media from most stores.

What about buying a whole lot of cheap lucky bamboo bunches. From past readings, I seem to recall that these are pretty effective at soaking up ammonia and nitrites (not so good at nitrates, but who cares if there's lots of water changes).

Around these parts, you can get really cheap bunches at local asian markets. If you get them at decorator stores, they will be pricey.

Throw them out once your filters are completely matured.

Just an idea since we're brainstorming.


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OOOPS. Just noticed the dates of the posts. I guess I'm several months late to the game.