Quality in our hobby?

[Roxanne]

.....hmmmmm.....are these crap or are these crap?

http://discusworld.com.au/discusgallery.htm

[Chad Hughes]

Rox,

Not the best that I have seen but some of them are OK. I'm also wondering about the camera skills and angles of the pictures. They may not be doind the fish justice. I think it would be best to see in person if you can.

Best wishes!

[Roxanne]

Hey Birthday Boy:)

I think only one has a decent shape....look at the heads and chins, colour and stuff...I'd be too embarrassed to advertise them for sale...

[thebigone]

That red neon turk doesn't look to bad. I kinda like that one.

[White Worm]

Red Eddy and especially that royal blue have got issues. I wouldnt buy since I have seen better in the magic garage at Kennys.

[Chad Hughes]

Hey Birthday Boy:)

I'd be too embarrassed to advertise them for sale...

Yeah, I agree!

Best wishes!

The Birthday Boy

[mikel]

I think the scribble toward the end has some potential...but others less so. mike

[mcsinny99]

I think I have those beat...
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq20/mcsinny99/48382.jpg

[Eddie]

I think I have those beat...
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq20/mcsinny99/48382.jpg

Yup, that's the punk pigeon!

[TankWatcher]

Mikel, that is one seriously sad discus. The poor thing.

[mcsinny99]

Yup, that's the punk pigeon!

I didn't know it had a name! What about this guy dealing this? Known issue?

[Eddie]

I didn't know it had a name! What about this guy dealing this? Known issue?

I was only kidding! LOL

Eddie

[hedut]

:
I was only kidding! LOL

Eddie



That's really funny Eddie:D:p:p:p:D:D. but its cool name punk pigeon

[mcsinny99]

Punk pigeon it is! A whole new strain!

[Roxanne]

OH. MY. GOD. I think I'VE just been punked!:p

..you've floored me with that mcsinny....for the first time in years, I'm truly speechless:D

Rox

[Roxanne]

...wonder what it's babies would look like...

[Eddie]

...wonder what it's babies would look like...

Hey there Rox, do you have Andrew Soh's book? In his book he talks about these types of deformities. He explains that they are non-genetic, and that it is caused by poor water quality, high ammonia levels and overcrowding at fry development stage.

The babies could turn out okay I guess.


Eddie

[Roxanne]

...well then that just makes me wonder, freak of nature or freak raising nature? Even the best breeders have to cull, so maybe they would have a better idea of where those percentages are really at...I've seen other deformities also, I was more getting at the mongrel dog types advertised for sale to the unsuspecting as opposed to the curiosities people keep...

[Rod]

is this the freak show?? Here's my entry :D

[Eddie]

is this the freak show?? Here's my entry :D

Yup Rod, the Rhino discus, definitely a rarity. ;)

Eddie

[Roxanne]

is this the freak show?? :D

lol.....it is now:D

Shark bite?:alien:

[Rod]

Yup Rod, the Rhino discus, definitely a rarity. ;)

Eddie

well i was thinking unicorn....but rhino sounds much more macho....lol

[Rod]

lol.....it is now:D

Shark bite?:alien:

yeah, bull shark. Damn menace up here. :D

[Roxanne]

ah. croc bite.:bandana:..

[hedut]

Thats unique and cool:p

[Rod]

Thats unique and cool:p

Hi Hedut,

well not totally unique, i have seen one other just like this at a breeders place in Penang. It was a golden leopard rhino discus. :) But yes, very cool looking discus i think too....

Rod:)

[FLGirl1977]

is this the freak show?? Here's my entry :D

Ugh! That's horrible! Poor little guy....

[hedut]

Hi Rod, if that case happen to Asian arowarna the price gonna be like crazy cause unique. I don't with discus.

[Rod]

Ugh! That's horrible! Poor little guy....

yes yes, horrible horrible and very ugly, but he is happy and content. Swims as good as anyone too! :)

[Rod]

Hi Rod, if that case happen to Asian arowarna the price gonna be like crazy cause unique. I don't with discus.

One of my asian customers has already offered me big money for it. :D I still have the fish!

[April]

ok..that onen you can keep there in oz....its amazinng..how little of the body discus actually need...just a spine annd stomach like the rest of the typical shaped fish.

[Eddie]

ok..that onen you can keep there in oz....its amazinng..how little of the body discus actually need...just a spine annd stomach like the rest of the typical shaped fish.

True, some don't even have stomachs, from Andrew Soh's book. Wondering how they take in nutrients. :confused:

Eddie

[Roxanne]

ew..I can't even wrap my brain around that...how long can they even live without a stomach? does it say? grab ya book Eddie:)

[Eddie]

ew..I can't even wrap my brain around that...how long can they even live without a stomach? does it say? grab ya book Eddie:)

Doesn't mention anything about life span. It only mentions the different types of non-genetic malformations.

Eddie

[Scribbles]

Aren't nutrients absorbed in the intestines? The stomach stores food and gets digestion started so food is more easily absorbed. Doesn't it?

[Roxanne]

..errrrrr...good question....can anyone answer that?

I'm thinking it had to be dead cos what else?...they went around cutting fish open to check if they have a stomach? ...must have been biopsied to know they had no stomach, parts missing, extra spare parts,,etc..

[Eddie]

..errrrrr...good question....can anyone answer that?

I'm thinking it had to be dead cos what else?...they went around cutting fish open to check if they have a stomach? ...must have been biopsied to know they had no stomach, parts missing, extra spare parts,,etc..

Not sure but I know that alot of nutrients get absorbed by the fish through the water, maybe it's enough to keep them barely alive. :o

[mcsinny99]

is this the freak show?? Here's my entry :D

Looks like you put the saddle on that one too soon, Rod.;)

[Scribbles]

..errrrrr...good question....can anyone answer that?

I'm thinking it had to be dead cos what else?...they went around cutting fish open to check if they have a stomach? ...must have been biopsied to know they had no stomach, parts missing, extra spare parts,,etc..


Well.... the fish had to live long enough to be disected. I doubt that they were cutting open days old fry. Humans can live w/o a stomach if they are on a liquid diet.

[Roxanne]

I agree Scrib, we're on the same page...but how did they know it had no stomach? It must have lived long enough to grow, and die, to be cut open, to find no stomach. So, therefore, your original question is still a good one...How did it absorb enough nutrient to live any length of time?:)

Rox

[Rod]

Looks like you put the saddle on that one too soon, Rod.;)

weird isn't it? I've seen very similar faults in other sth & central american cichlids as well, angels a few times and synspillum as well. :)

[Rod]

ok..that onen you can keep there in oz....its amazinng..how little of the body discus actually need...just a spine annd stomach like the rest of the typical shaped fish.

Must be no critical bits in the missing area, he actually swims really well and he is growing among the fastest of his albino siblings. :)

[Dkarc@Aol.com]

True, some don't even have stomachs, from Andrew Soh's book. Wondering how they take in nutrients. :confused:

Eddie

You would be surprised by the number of fish species that have no stomachs. Those fish in particular have extremely short gut lengths and are 100% carnivorous....any plant matter would go right through them and clean them out. Might explain why some discus do better than others on a certain diet....so much outcrossing/line breeding may have started to change their physiology internally. Wierd :confused:

-Ryan

[Scribbles]

Basshead,

Did the book say if they did any DNA tests to see if it was a mutation of a certain strain or fish passed on in its spawn?

Were the disected fish randomly chosen or were they already dead/dying?

This is requiring too much thinking for a Monday.

[Roxanne]

:D...it's Tuesday in Oz....94;.'5-'/*^#)$^^#*

[Scribbles]

Good morning Rox. It's still yesterday in Seattle. 11 P.M.

[Eddie]

Basshead,

Did the book say if they did any DNA tests to see if it was a mutation of a certain strain or fish passed on in its spawn?

Were the disected fish randomly chosen or were they already dead/dying?

This is requiring too much thinking for a Monday.

Hey Scribbles, it was simply stated that is was not genetic, that it was related to water during development from hatch and so forth.

Eddie

[Scribbles]

That makes sense.

[mcsinny99]

...wonder what it's babies would look like...

Probably like green day, maybe the jonas brothers.

[Roxanne]

or sid viscous...:D....or...Lindsay Lohan...lololol

[Eddie]

or sid viscous...:D....or...Lindsay Lohan...lololol

LOL!

[Roxanne]

... It's still yesterday in Seattle.

lol...that's right mate...how do you think I know what you're gonna say before ya say it?;)...Whenever I hear "Seattle" I think of Frasier Crane....and now, you Scrib;)

Rox

[Scribbles]

LOL. Ok, now that's spooky. That's what I was watching when I typed that post.

Hey, if you are in the future can you tell me what the winning Lotto numbers are for this week. I really need to buy a bigger tank.:D

[Roxanne]

...no worries...I'll have to pm them to you so nobody else can see:D

Rox